Chad Ford - Top 25 Players to be Dealt

[wdleehi]

Guys I think are missing off of that list that maybe the Celtics would be interested in

Kevin Martin - Kings

Josh Howard - Mavericks

The only way we're getting either of these guys would a be a three team deal, one which would likely cost us Ray Allen.

Martin is the only one of those two that would be a good move to get with Ray.  But why for the Kings? 

i think the cavs will try to get murphy or jamison..i would hope boston would keep up and try to add prince

I think the Cavs should be in the full court press trying to add one of these guys. 



I would like to add Prince, but how without using Ray?

[Who]

I think the only way Boston gets Kevin Martin is if he and Tyreke Evans struggle mightily over the next month.

And, if the Celtics are willing to take one bad contract in the deal (likely Nocioni). I don't think the Kings will get anywhere if they start demanding teams take two bad contracts off their hands.

[wdleehi]

I think the only way Boston gets Kevin Martin is if he and Tyreke Evans struggle mightily over the next month.

And, if the Celtics are willing to take one bad contract in the deal (likely Nocioni). I don't think the Kings will get anywhere if they start demanding teams take two bad contracts off their hands.

That contract is worth taking if the Celtics add Martin.

[Who]

I think the only way Boston gets Kevin Martin is if he and Tyreke Evans struggle mightily over the next month.

And, if the Celtics are willing to take one bad contract in the deal (likely Nocioni). I don't think the Kings will get anywhere if they start demanding teams take two bad contracts off their hands.

That contract is worth taking if the Celtics add Martin.

Definitely, I think this Celtics group would benefit greatly from having Kevin Martin's scoring punch in the lineup.

Plus, it's not like Nocioni is dead weight. Neither is Udrih or Garcia. They're all rotation caliber players. They can contribute.

[wdleehi]

I think the only way Boston gets Kevin Martin is if he and Tyreke Evans struggle mightily over the next month.

And, if the Celtics are willing to take one bad contract in the deal (likely Nocioni). I don't think the Kings will get anywhere if they start demanding teams take two bad contracts off their hands.

That contract is worth taking if the Celtics add Martin.

Definitely, I think this Celtics group would benefit greatly from having Kevin Martin's scoring punch in the lineup.

Plus, it's not like Nocioni is dead weight. Neither is Udrih or Garcia. They're all rotation caliber players. They can contribute.

Well Ray and Scali for Martin, Nocioni and Udrih works.  Throw in 2 1sts and cash, that's about the best deal the Celtics could offer.

The Kings drop 23 million for next year, but they add no long term talent.  I think they can do better.

[Brickowski]

Why isn't Ray Allen of Chad Ford's list?

[Fafnir]

Why isn't Ray Allen of Chad Ford's list?

Because I don't think there are many teams looking for a straight salary dump for a player that would fit Boston's needs.

If we trade Ray we need a 2/3 back to replace him right? I don't see many feasible deals.

[PLamb]

Brickowski: Why isn't Ray Allen of Chad Ford's list?

Probably because of a lack of rumors and talk around the league about his being moved

Danny seems to be getting closer and closer to the vest with his possible moves

[Brickowski]

Well, if the Celtics plan to acquire a significant player, e.g. Tayshaun Prince, it's likely going to cost them Ray.

However, my guess is that Ainge is just looking for some veteran on the cheap following a buyout.  I hope it's a point guard.

[Chris]

Well, if the Celtics plan to acquire a significant player, e.g. Tayshaun Prince, it's likely going to cost them Ray.

However, my guess is that Ainge is just looking for some veteran on the ceheap following a buyout.  I hope it's a point guard.

Couldn't have said it better myself.  Its blowup or buyout.  I really do not see Danny going after anything more than a bit piece with their pu pu platter of expiring contracts...and even for that, they would wait until the very last minute.

[WeMadeIt17]

I don't see us trading Ray Allen. He is to important to the rotation right now. I cant say that i would disagree with a trade that would bring in Kevin Martin but i love Ray and everything he can do for this team. As for other things i would love if we could maybe get Keyon Dooling and Bobby Simmons from the Nets or someone by the name Nate Robinson.

[fairweatherfan]

Echoing that the decision on Ray will come this offseason, not before the trade deadline.  Short of a Godfather offer, Ray isn't going anywhere - we are on the short list of championship contenders and have arguably been the best team in the league when healthy.  We're going forward with the rotation we have with maybe a piece added to fill Lester's roster spot.

[winsomme]

Echoing that the decision on Ray will come this offseason, not before the trade deadline.  Short of a Godfather offer, Ray isn't going anywhere - we are on the short list of championship contenders and have arguably been the best team in the league when healthy.  We're going forward with the rotation we have with maybe a piece added to fill Lester's roster spot.

I honestly don't see  a way for us to not sign Ray next off season without taking a huge step backwards in the talent department for that coming season.

I guess we could trade him now for someone like Butler or Martin, but that also could totally mess our run at a championship this season.

trading Ray right now would take huge stones because Danny would get major backlash from  fans (not as big a deal) but also potentially players. Pierce and KG could feel very betrayed if this Big 3 unit is messed with...

I don't know...I'm much more in the camp of trading expiring contracts for a player who is good but has a not so good contract...just not sure if the ownership would be on board with the added salary.

[snively]

I'm still intrigued about trying to sign Tyrus Thomas in free agency with the MLE next summer. He's a very interesting player for that type of money. Especially if you could lock him down on a long term deal.

Ty Thomas
Troy Murphy (if CLE goes in another direction)
Kirk Hinrich

Caron Butler would be a stretch given what we could offer.

I don't think we have a shot at Troy Murphy or Caron Butler due to Murphy's contract ($11-$12 million per annum) and Butler's talent + trade value.

I also don't think we have anything to offer Chicago for Ty Thomas. They're not looking to get rid of him. He's a useful player to them and doesn't effect their free agency hopes. They're trying to trade him for talent while they still can. The Celtics group of borderline/non-rotation reserve players + maybe a late first round pick doesn't look tempting enough.

I think the Celtics have an excellent chance at acquiring Kirk Hinrich if they were interested. I don't expect Danny to be but if he were I think Hinrich is an attainable target. I didn't like the idea of trading for Hinrich in the past, due to his contract, but I've been warming up to it recently. Still not sold but my interest in the idea is growing.

I think Ty Thomas at the MLE is a fascinating prospect.  His athleticism, rebounding and shotblocking make for a great fit for the team as KG/Sheed continue to slow down.   The Rondo/TT/Perk core would be spacing-challenged going forward though.

You should be sold on Hinrich.  A Rondo/Ray/Hinrich guard rotation would work very well and help us keep Doc from running Rondo and Ray into the ground because of the limitations of House/TA/Daniels.

I was sold after I watched him provide playoff-quality depth 1-3 in our series with Chicago.

[Who]

My concern with Hinrich is next season and the year after. Not this season. It's the remaining years of his contract.

The concern is the finances and the need to sign a new main backup wing next season. That will be after paying the starting five roughly $61 million (Ray @ $6.5mil) and another $15 million for Wallace and Hinrich. Only seven players and the Celtics are already at $76 million with a likely luxury tax threshold of around $65 million. If the Celtics had minimum contracts throughout the rest of the roster (15 man squad) they'd still be adding another $6.6 million. That would give a payroll of about $100 million after luxury taxes. Oh, and Glen Davis, and a draft pick, minus those two minimum contracts, so another $3.7 million after luxury taxes. $104 million.

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Actually, that's the wrong way to look at it ... or at least misleading by itself

(1) If the Celtics spend their MLE, and I fully expect them too, they'd be adding close to $6 million in salaries anyway. So Hinrich is only $3 million more than that, well doubled to $6 million ... so that's the difference financially.

(2) A Kirk Hinrich + Brad Miller led bench was a formidable combination against the Celts in the playoffs last season. A Rasheed Wallace + Kirk bench would be similarly strong only with more defense from their big man.

With those two playing a large chunk of the minutes and Davis cleaning up the second big man role, the Celtics would only need a 15 minute a night backup at SF. An Ime Udoka or Keith Bogans type. Even with a lesser player like Quinton Ross or Rodney Carney things could work out fairly well.

(3) Can you build a better bench with the MLE to sign a new backup guard and a new backup wing? A better unit than Kirk Hinrich + minimum contract wing + Glen Davis + Rasheed Wallace? The rest of the squad will be filled out with minimum contract players in either situation.

And if the Celtics were to use their MLE on a wing and then to re-sign House for say $2 million. The difference between that and Hinrich + a minimum contract wing closes further ($2mil doubled).

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Then Perkins contract is up in 2011 and will be looking for a large pay rise. But I expect the Celtics to use their MLE anyway so not much difference here (MLE increasing contract, Hinrich decreasing contract, so $1.5mil doubled).