Trade idea to acquire Brandon Rush

[Drucci]

This trade idea could realistically work, and involves 3 teams (Boston, Indiana and Memphis). Here it is : http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhul39t

Boston trades Bill Walker to Indiana, JR Giddens to Memphis. Boston receives Brandon Rush.

Why Boston does this trade : the C's basically get rid of two useless players in the rotation and get a shooting guard who can shoot from all over the court and especially from three (36%). Rush can also drive and he is a good defender. Plus, his size is perfect to defend players like Joe Johnson or Kobe Bryant (6-6). Rush is inconsistent but he can get hot and basically kill the opposing team, as we've witnessed it a lot of times when he played us.

Plus he is young (25 years old), and his contract goes through 2011 and then he has a team option, so it will be up to Boston to keep him or not.

Thus, Boston gets a good shooting guard, young, and whose contract is perfect compared to his talent/production. A very good 6th man. He won't hurt the cap space and can contribute a lot this year, and progress in the coming years.

Indiana trades Brandon Rush, Indiana gets Bill Walker.

Why Indiana does this trade : the Pacers won't make the playoffs and they want to get under the luxury tax. They are looking to trade Murphy and Dunleavy and their huge salaries. Getting rid of Brandon Rush for Walker doesn't put them under the luxury but it saves them 2,6 million $ this season (Rush's contract is 1,3 million but it's doubled by the luxury tax) and even more next season, which is big for them.

Also, Brandon Rush is very inconsistent so they don't mind losing him, especially since they won't make the playoffs anyway.

Memphis receives JR Giddens and maybe a 1st or 2nd round pick from Boston.

Why Memphis does this trade : The Grizzlies are 3 millions under the luxury tax this season. They get JR Giddens, who is a young and interesting prospect who could get playing time in their rotation.

Plus, his contract is just of 1 million so they don't get over the luxury tax. And it expires this summer.

If Giddens isn't enough for them, Boston can give them a 1st round pick or 2nd round pick if they want.

Memphis basically helps the trade to be done by "renting" its cap space.

Thoughts?

[Who]

Indiana doesn't do this trade.

[Drucci]

Indiana doesn't do this trade.

Why not?

And would you like to get Rush anyway?

[wdleehi]

Indiana doesn't do this trade.

Why not?

And would you like to get Rush anyway?

They are not going to just dump cheap talent.

[Who]

Indiana doesn't do this trade.

Why not?

And would you like to get Rush anyway?

I would love to get Brandon Rush. Good defender. Good rebounder. Good shooter. Good athlete. He can play. He's a borderline starter/high quality rotation player.

Indiana doesn't trade Brandon Rush (lottery pick) for Bill Walker (mid second round pick). Rush is a very good rotation level player with solid potential. Walker isn't good enough to crack an NBA rotation. Huge difference in talent + reputation/trade value.

Indiana doesn't have luxury tax problems. They are at around $66.7 million in payroll. They're under the LTT by a couple of million ($69.9mil, so $2.2mil). Even if they were over the tax threshold, they wouldn't sacrifice a young talented prospect who is on a cheap contract to get under it. They'd move one of their higher paid veterans like a Troy Murphy (Cavs interested in him).

[Donoghus]

I have to agree with others sentiment that Indiana isn't just going to trade away cheap talent.  Rush is young and has shown flashes of promise.  I don't see the Pacers trading him away just to save a couple of bucks.

[More Banners]

Agree that Indiana doesn't do this deal...no reason for them to give away Rush.  But would they do it if a pick was thrown in?  Still, probably not, unless the pick could be used in a larger deal to get rid of Dunleavy, which would have to be arranged ahead of a deal with us.

Memphis, with old pal Chris Wallace at the helm, might take an expiring guy of ours in a salary dump move to get a pick, but isn't giving up any talent.  They need talent for their bench.  We'd have to pay them a pick to take a contract off our hands this year.  Other teams will try to do the same thing, but with higher picks than ours.

So no, I don't think this can happen.  Teams just aren't getting rid of cheap talent for crap or expiring contracts.

[fanofgreen]

Take it from me.

I live in Indiana, and watch most of the pacers game on the local FSN network. The Pacers aren't going to let Brandon Rush go.

If they got an All-star or borderline all-star  player in return, they'd have to look into it.

But I live in Indiana, and they are not letting him go.

[Brickowski]

I'd love to get Brandon Rush, who would have been a top 5 pick if he hadn't gotten hurt.

But you won't get him for that pile of garbage. And Indiana doesn't have any really bad contracts that a team might grudgingly agree to take to induce the Pacers to give up Rush.

[More Banners]

Take it from me.

I live in Indiana, and watch most of the pacers game on the local FSN network. The Pacers aren't going to let Brandon Rush go.

If they got an All-star or borderline all-star  player in return, they'd have to look into it.

But I live in Indiana, and they are not letting him go.

Thanks for putting an end to the nonsense.

I don't get to watch many Pacer games, but have had an interest in the team for a while.  I've had some respect for Obie ever since he told the media here that he didn't play Vin Baker because of "matchups" with a straight face, when Vin was drunk at gametime...also because he is a coach with an MBA,and seems to run a team like a business guy.

What's the deal?  Why aren't things working out so well?  Is TJ Ford a bust?  Will their roster work as is, or do they need a major deal?

[Drucci]

Thanks for all the answers and details about Rush!

Obviously he is even better and has even more potential than I thought he had, which makes it even more impossible for such a trade to happen. Too bad... I was too optimistic with that trade idea, I guess.

Indiana doesn't have luxury tax problems. They are at around $66.7 million in payroll. They're under the LTT by a couple of million ($69.9mil, so $2.2mil). Even if they were over the tax threshold, they wouldn't sacrifice a young talented prospect who is on a cheap contract to get under it. They'd move one of their higher paid veterans like a Troy Murphy (Cavs interested in him).

I didn't know that, I thought they were over the luxury tax. Thanks for the insight.

[fanofgreen]

Take it from me.

I live in Indiana, and watch most of the pacers game on the local FSN network. The Pacers aren't going to let Brandon Rush go.

If they got an All-star or borderline all-star  player in return, they'd have to look into it.

But I live in Indiana, and they are not letting him go.

Thanks for putting an end to the nonsense.

I don't get to watch many Pacer games, but have had an interest in the team for a while.  I've had some respect for Obie ever since he told the media here that he didn't play Vin Baker because of "matchups" with a straight face, when Vin was drunk at gametime...also because he is a coach with an MBA,and seems to run a team like a business guy.

What's the deal?  Why aren't things working out so well?  Is TJ Ford a bust?  Will their roster work as is, or do they need a major deal?

Well, the main problem recently is that Danny Granger has been out for about 3 1/2 weeks. He just got back so things are of course looking up w/ Danny back out on the floor.  TJ for isn't a bust, he's just one of the pg's they are  most willing to let go. They just signed Earl Watson in the offseason and they just drafted AJ Price, plus they have Travis Diener whose on the injured right now, and pretty much all the pg's have played very similarly with the being consistent for a stretch and then inconsistent for a strecth. (plus they also have Luther Head)

Their roster is a .500 on avg.  so I think they can try and make deals, to set themselves up for more flexibility, but I think with the Pacers roster, its going to be hard to make a major deal, that will allow them to get something significant in return, w/o trading Danny Granger.
For the pacers, its gonna depend on Player Development. The development of Roy Hibbert (who is playing very well) AJ Price, and of course Brandon Rush.

[BballTim]

Take it from me.

I live in Indiana, and watch most of the pacers game on the local FSN network. The Pacers aren't going to let Brandon Rush go.

If they got an All-star or borderline all-star  player in return, they'd have to look into it.

But I live in Indiana, and they are not letting him go.

  I don't watch the Pacers much, but couldn't Walker or Giddens put up 8 points and 4 rebounds in 28 minutes a game? He seems to be a decent 3 point shooter but that looks like all he's good at (about 40% inside the arc, and only 42% of his inside shots). I mean he's probably better than JR or maybe Walker (who's 2 years younger) but who would offer an all-star or borderline all-star for him?

[fanofgreen]

Take it from me.

I live in Indiana, and watch most of the pacers game on the local FSN network. The Pacers aren't going to let Brandon Rush go.

If they got an All-star or borderline all-star  player in return, they'd have to look into it.

But I live in Indiana, and they are not letting him go.

  I don't watch the Pacers much, but couldn't Walker or Giddens put up 8 points and 4 rebounds in 28 minutes a game? He seems to be a decent 3 point shooter but that looks like all he's good at (about 40% inside the arc, and only 42% of his inside shots). I mean he's probably better than JR or maybe Walker (who's 2 years younger) but who would offer an all-star or borderline all-star for him?

Here's the thing though, you're looking at the stats. Tony Allen is averaging roughly the same 8 and 4. But I guarantee you Larry Bird & the Pacers would feel insulted by a trade proposal of Tony Allen for Brandon Rush, and wouldn't even consider doing that deal. So its not about the stats.

I always say, when it comes to looking at stats; that its not about the stats, but how one goes about getting those stats.

The Pacers are very high on Rush, and his game is the reason why, not his stats.

[BballTim]

Take it from me.

I live in Indiana, and watch most of the pacers game on the local FSN network. The Pacers aren't going to let Brandon Rush go.

If they got an All-star or borderline all-star  player in return, they'd have to look into it.

But I live in Indiana, and they are not letting him go.

  I don't watch the Pacers much, but couldn't Walker or Giddens put up 8 points and 4 rebounds in 28 minutes a game? He seems to be a decent 3 point shooter but that looks like all he's good at (about 40% inside the arc, and only 42% of his inside shots). I mean he's probably better than JR or maybe Walker (who's 2 years younger) but who would offer an all-star or borderline all-star for him?

Here's the thing though, you're looking at the stats. Tony Allen is averaging roughly the same 8 and 4. But I guarantee you Larry Bird & the Pacers would feel insulted by a trade proposal of Tony Allen for Brandon Rush, and wouldn't even consider doing that deal. So its not about the stats.

I always say, when it comes to looking at stats; that its not about the stats, but how one goes about getting those stats.

The Pacers are very high on Rush, and his game is the reason why, not his stats.

  By the same token, though, Rondo might be considered an all-star or borderline all-star and I'm pretty sure Ainge would be just as insulted if the Pacers offered Rush for him. Sure, stats are just stats, but who's going to offer an all-star caliber player for a 24 year old sg who gets 7 points a game?