Sean Williams Now Available

[footey]

  Someone should change the thread title. Sean Williams has been available for a long time.

I thought he was released on Monday. Is that a long time?

[Vermont Green]

I wouldn't mind bringing him in next preseason for a tryout but I can't see any scenario where he helps this team this year.

[BballTim]

  Someone should change the thread title. Sean Williams has been available for a long time.

I thought he was released on Monday. Is that a long time?

  I meant they would have traded him away for practically nothing. Kind of like how Elton Brand is available.

[Evantime34]

No thanks.  He's not good at anything except blocking shots and dunking.  He's a head case and he has no clue how to play basketball.  He's a horrible defensive player, a horrible offensive player.  He's an athlete, not a basketball player.  If he couldn't crack the rotation of perhaps the worst team in basketball history, he's not going to help a championship team.  Scal, Shelden, and Baby are far better players.

Scal, Shelden and Baby are far better player. Williams is younger with more upside than all of them though. He is a good rebounder and a very good help defender. The majority of his shots come off help defense.
We're going to sign a vet for that last spot but if we didn't we should certainly take a run at someone with the upside of Sean Williams.
I'm guessing you went to Umass so you basely hate all BC players but Williams is good talent.

[wdleehi]

No thanks.  He's not good at anything except blocking shots and dunking.  He's a head case and he has no clue how to play basketball.  He's a horrible defensive player, a horrible offensive player.  He's an athlete, not a basketball player.  If he couldn't crack the rotation of perhaps the worst team in basketball history, he's not going to help a championship team.  Scal, Shelden, and Baby are far better players.

Scal, Shelden and Baby are far better player. Williams is younger with more upside than all of them though. He is a good rebounder and a very good help defender. The majority of his shots come off help defense.
We're going to sign a vet for that last spot but if we didn't we should certainly take a run at someone with the upside of Sean Williams.
I'm guessing you went to Umass so you basely hate all BC players but Williams is good talent.

I think he is bad talent.  A high level of gifts, but a bad talent. 

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He's not currently unemployed only due to attitude.  And he wasn't at the end of the bench of the worst team in the league because he was being punished.  If he was in uniform, he would have played if they thought he'd help the team.

NJ was the wrong place for Williams to go, like Washington (read: Blatche) or GS (read: Randolph) would have been. He was handed millions of dollars and given no real coaching or guidence. His mentors were Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson and Bobby Simmons and Stromile Swift. His buddies were Josh Boone and Marcus Williams. Not ideal.

When he started to get into trouble, NJ management asked themselves: are we going to make an investment in this kid, or are we going to concentrate on others as we rebuild? What if we make the investment and he gets in more trouble? If we play and feature the defiant kid, what's that going to say to the rest of the immature kids we've got? They bailed. I'll never understand why these weak organizations always take the guys who need the most coaching and attention.

He would have been a better player and a more mature kid in the right environment. If you'd given Williams Perk's path, I'd venture he'd be in a lot better place today -- especially considering he has a starkly natural talent for one of the most difficult skills to teach: shot-blocking.

I'm not making him into Alonzo Mourning, but to imagine that NJ didn't play Williams because he doesn't have enough skill to hang with Boone and Trenton Hassell is simply absurd.

His make-up as a man is what's going to keep teams away from him, not his ability. He has a joke of an NBA organization in part to thank for it.

[wdleehi]

He's not currently unemployed only due to attitude.  And he wasn't at the end of the bench of the worst team in the league because he was being punished.  If he was in uniform, he would have played if they thought he'd help the team.

NJ was the wrong place for Williams to go, like Washington (read: Blatche) or GS (read: Randolph) would have been. He was handed millions of dollars and given no real coaching or guidence. His mentors were Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson and Bobby Simmons and Stromile Swift. His buddies were Josh Boone and Marcus Williams. Not ideal.

When he started to get into trouble, NJ management asked themselves: are we going to make an investment in this kid, or are we going to concentrate on others as we rebuild? What if we make the investment and he gets in more trouble? If we play and feature the defiant kid, what's that going to say to the rest of the immature kids we've got? They bailed. I'll never understand why these weak organizations always take these guys who need the most coaching and attention.

He would have been a better player and a more mature kid in the right environment. If you'd given Williams Perk's path, I'd venture he'd be in a lot better place today -- especially considering he has a starkly natural talent for one of the most difficult skills to teach: shot-blocking.

I'm not making him into Alonzo Mourning, but to imagine that NJ didn't play Williams because he doesn't have enough skill to hang with Boone and Trenton Hassell is simply absurd.

His make-up as a man is what's going to keep teams away from him, not his ability. He has a joke of an NBA organization in part to thank for it.

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Does that mean Boston was a terrible place for players like Gerald Green and Marcus Banks to go?  Was Pierce a bad role model?  Was Doc a bad coach to lead them and teach them?

[fanofgreen]

I would defintely sign Sean Williams.  We currently don't have 1 athletic big man on this team. Big Baby=not, athletic Sheed=no longer athletic, Perk=not an athletic build, KG=starting to lose the athleticism Scal=dont need to explain

i think he would be very valuable on this team. there's no way you can tell me, he wouldn't be a valuable piece to have when we play the Atlanta's, Orlando's, Phx's, type of teams. All teams who have, athletic-lanky-stretch the floor 4's.

Someone mentioned all he can do is Block shots and Dunk. That sounds perfect for a team predicated on Defense, and a lot of ball movement offensively.


Rondo, with his penetration ability, can get any big man in this league 6-8 points off his dribble penetration and dump-offs (passes after drawing the defense in the paint)

I dont care about wether he has upside or not, I dont think were trying to build the future of the team around him. I just want what he can do right now.

[wdleehi]

I would defintely sign Sean Williams.  We currently don't have 1 athletic big man on this team. Big Baby=not, athletic Sheed=no longer athletic, Perk=not an athletic build, KG=starting to lose the athleticism Scal=dont need to explain

i think he would be very valuable on this team. there's no way you can tell me, he wouldn't be a valuable piece to have when we play the Atlanta's, Orlando's, Phx's, type of teams. All teams who have, athletic-lanky-stretch the floor 4's.

Someone mentioned all he can do is Block shots and Dunk. That sounds perfect for a team predicated on Defense, and a lot of ball movement offensively.


Rondo, with his penetration ability, can get any big man in this league 6-8 points off his dribble penetration and dump-offs (passes after drawing the defense in the paint)

I dont care about wether he has upside or not, I dont think were trying to build the future of the team around him. I just want what he can do right now.

More athletic then the Celics big men?  Yes.


Could he beat out any of them for play time right now?  No.

[ssspence]

He's not currently unemployed only due to attitude.  And he wasn't at the end of the bench of the worst team in the league because he was being punished.  If he was in uniform, he would have played if they thought he'd help the team.

NJ was the wrong place for Williams to go, like Washington (read: Blatche) or GS (read: Randolph) would have been. He was handed millions of dollars and given no real coaching or guidence. His mentors were Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson and Bobby Simmons and Stromile Swift. His buddies were Josh Boone and Marcus Williams. Not ideal.

When he started to get into trouble, NJ management asked themselves: are we going to make an investment in this kid, or are we going to concentrate on others as we rebuild? What if we make the investment and he gets in more trouble? If we play and feature the defiant kid, what's that going to say to the rest of the immature kids we've got? They bailed. I'll never understand why these weak organizations always take these guys who need the most coaching and attention.

He would have been a better player and a more mature kid in the right environment. If you'd given Williams Perk's path, I'd venture he'd be in a lot better place today -- especially considering he has a starkly natural talent for one of the most difficult skills to teach: shot-blocking.

I'm not making him into Alonzo Mourning, but to imagine that NJ didn't play Williams because he doesn't have enough skill to hang with Boone and Trenton Hassell is simply absurd.

His make-up as a man is what's going to keep teams away from him, not his ability. He has a joke of an NBA organization in part to thank for it.

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Does that mean Boston was a terrible place for players like Gerald Green and Marcus Banks to go?  Was Pierce a bad role model?  Was Doc a bad coach to lead them and teach them?

Gerald Green was traded for Kevin Garnett. I didn't say every player that doesn't play in a bad organization is intelligent.

Marcus has had ample opportunity to play and has proved he can't pass. I don't think Williams is there yet. I hope he gets another real opportunity.

You think Pierce was a great role model 4, 5 years ago? He and 'Toine? Maybe Ricky? He had more heart than any of those guys I mentioned in NJ, but he obviously had his moments. And he's made major changes since KG and Ray arrived.

[fanofgreen]

I would defintely sign Sean Williams.  We currently don't have 1 athletic big man on this team. Big Baby=not, athletic Sheed=no longer athletic, Perk=not an athletic build, KG=starting to lose the athleticism Scal=dont need to explain

i think he would be very valuable on this team. there's no way you can tell me, he wouldn't be a valuable piece to have when we play the Atlanta's, Orlando's, Phx's, type of teams. All teams who have, athletic-lanky-stretch the floor 4's.

Someone mentioned all he can do is Block shots and Dunk. That sounds perfect for a team predicated on Defense, and a lot of ball movement offensively.


Rondo, with his penetration ability, can get any big man in this league 6-8 points off his dribble penetration and dump-offs (passes after drawing the defense in the paint)

I dont care about wether he has upside or not, I dont think were trying to build the future of the team around him. I just want what he can do right now.

More athletic then the Celics big men?  Yes.


Could he beat out any of them for play time right now?  No.

Against certain teams due to matchups, it would makes sense to play him more than other certain players in those games. And especially now with the injury spell were in, it certainely wouldn't hurt to have him.

I'm not saying he should get 20-25 mins. a game. He would give Doc some flexiblility with his rotation, and matchups. And i think he would be good to offset some of the non-athletic pairings at times. for example, Sheed and Baby, or Perk and Baby, Sheed and Scal.

I dont expect him to come in an necessarily beat out anybody's spot in the rotation. And as far as minutes, with KG out, those minutes KG would normally have, can still be distributed out where guys like Sheed and Baby would go back to playing closer to the kind of minutes they would have been playing had KG been playing.

He would certainly play over Scal.




 

[fanofgreen]

I would defintely sign Sean Williams.  We currently don't have 1 athletic big man on this team. Big Baby=not, athletic Sheed=no longer athletic, Perk=not an athletic build, KG=starting to lose the athleticism Scal=dont need to explain

i think he would be very valuable on this team. there's no way you can tell me, he wouldn't be a valuable piece to have when we play the Atlanta's, Orlando's, Phx's, type of teams. All teams who have, athletic-lanky-stretch the floor 4's.

Someone mentioned all he can do is Block shots and Dunk. That sounds perfect for a team predicated on Defense, and a lot of ball movement offensively.


Rondo, with his penetration ability, can get any big man in this league 6-8 points off his dribble penetration and dump-offs (passes after drawing the defense in the paint)

I dont care about wether he has upside or not, I dont think were trying to build the future of the team around him. I just want what he can do right now.

More athletic then the Celics big men?  Yes.


Could he beat out any of them for play time right now?  No.

Against certain teams due to matchups, it would makes sense to play him more than other certain players in those games. And especially now with the injury spell were in, it certainely wouldn't hurt to have him.

I'm not saying he should get 20-25 mins. a game. He would give Doc some flexiblility with his rotation, and matchups. And i think he would be good to offset some of the non-athletic pairings at times. for example, Sheed and Baby, or Perk and Baby, Sheed and Scal.

I dont expect him to come in an necessarily beat out anybody's spot in the rotation. And as far as minutes, with KG out, those minutes KG would normally have, can still be distributed out where guys like Sheed and Baby would go back to playing closer to the kind of minutes they would have been playing had KG been playing.

He would certainly play over Scal.




 

Also , can you imagine when KG gets back and fully healthy. A Big man pairing of KG and Sean Williams during games.

We all have seen how KG's mentality and intensity has rubbed off on Perk. Now imagine Sean Williams with that mentality.

Even a Perkins-Sean Williams combo could become pretty intimidating.

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I think we can take a rest on this one --- the Cs are highly unlikely to sign Williams. I do like the idea of them taking a shot on a 10-day with an intreguing talent before the trading dealine, tho. Williams would be at the top of my list.

[BballTim]

He would certainly play over Scal.

 

  I don't know that this is true.

[GreenFaith1819]

I would defintely sign Sean Williams.  We currently don't have 1 athletic big man on this team. Big Baby=not, athletic Sheed=no longer athletic, Perk=not an athletic build, KG=starting to lose the athleticism Scal=dont need to explain

i think he would be very valuable on this team. there's no way you can tell me, he wouldn't be a valuable piece to have when we play the Atlanta's, Orlando's, Phx's, type of teams. All teams who have, athletic-lanky-stretch the floor 4's.

Someone mentioned all he can do is Block shots and Dunk. That sounds perfect for a team predicated on Defense, and a lot of ball movement offensively.


Rondo, with his penetration ability, can get any big man in this league 6-8 points off his dribble penetration and dump-offs (passes after drawing the defense in the paint)

I dont care about wether he has upside or not, I dont think were trying to build the future of the team around him. I just want what he can do right now.

More athletic then the Celics big men?  Yes.


Could he beat out any of them for play time right now?  No.

Against certain teams due to matchups, it would makes sense to play him more than other certain players in those games. And especially now with the injury spell were in, it certainely wouldn't hurt to have him.

I'm not saying he should get 20-25 mins. a game. He would give Doc some flexiblility with his rotation, and matchups. And i think he would be good to offset some of the non-athletic pairings at times. for example, Sheed and Baby, or Perk and Baby, Sheed and Scal.

I dont expect him to come in an necessarily beat out anybody's spot in the rotation. And as far as minutes, with KG out, those minutes KG would normally have, can still be distributed out where guys like Sheed and Baby would go back to playing closer to the kind of minutes they would have been playing had KG been playing.

He would certainly play over Scal.




 

Also , can you imagine when KG gets back and fully healthy. A Big man pairing of KG and Sean Williams during games.

We all have seen how KG's mentality and intensity has rubbed off on Perk. Now imagine Sean Williams with that mentality.

Even a Perkins-Sean Williams combo could become pretty intimidating.

Agreed...I would like the Celtics to give this man a shot. Yes he has had some issues, but he's young and as long as he did the right stuff here (which would be a LOT more positive environment than NJ) then this guy could turn out to be a steal.

He's athletic, can block shots, get garbage points...you never know. I'd give him a shot.

The worst that could happen is that he would come here and not fit in and cause trouble.

The best that could happen is that he'd be a 6'11" long defender that could provide energy off the bench and disrupt things in the middle..along with Perk and KG and Sheed and Shelden.

And we'd get him on the cheap. Another Danny ainge gem.