Hawks (23-13) at Celtics (26-9) 1/11

[jadams5214]

Ha Kiorrik good one --- it's funny to see some people basically regurgitate the same information I posted earlier, put a more positive spin on it and call it their own as if they made a great observation.  I guess imitation really is the sincerest form of flattery!!!

[jadams5214]

Great posts by the more astute observers on this board regarding the Celtics' struggles.

Instead of excuses about the refs, injuries, fouls blah blah blah let's look at what is really causing these losses.

C's turnovers continue at an alarming rate.  And they tend to occur at the worst possible times.  3 straight in a crucial 3rd quarter stretch when the Hawks were coming back.  The Pierce lazy pass when the C's were down 2 late in the 4th and needing a score.  Perks constant traveling when having the opportunity for scores inside.

This team fails to execute down the stretch.  They constantly give up big leads by playing poorly.  They consistently have at least one terrible quarter (usually the 3rd) in each game.  

Doc made it clear how important this game was to the Celtics when talking about how the Hawks have owned them this year.  Despite having a 14 point lead the C's yet again blew it and choked down the stretch.  The Hawks have the edge on the Celtics now and there is no disputing that.  If they face each other in the 2nd round of the playoffs watch out...

<------- another new user spurred to register by jadams' awful told-you-so crowing. I've been reading this garbage all season--it's like your way of dealing with the disappointment of a loss is to dump all over the team so you can feel superior to all the "naive" fans. Let me clue you in to something, homey--you're a effing clown, all your posts might as well be pre-written because you say the same thing irrespective of how the game actually goes.

This nonsense about the Celtics supposedly terrible 3rd quarter is outright BUNK.  They got outscored 31-25 in the third quarter, which is hardly "terrible," particularly considering the gift FT's that were awarded to Atlanta. They shot extremely well in the third quarter and by merit should have been at least even.  

For the game, the Celtics shot 55% for the game and held the Hawks to 45%.  Despite missing 2 of their best 3 big men, they were fairly even on rebounds.  They held Atlanta below their season average on points, even.  And yes, they had too many turnovers, and no, they couldn't do enough to win the game.  But that's hardly the result of some fatal flaws that only you and your misunderstood basketball genius can perceive. Keep on crying about what a lousy team the Celts are--maybe it'll draw out new posters who can actually construct an argument.  

In closing, SHHUUTTTTTTTTT UPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP.

UMMMM wow reading all of your great stats about how well the C's played I was shocked to learn they actually LOST the game, blowing a 14 point lead in the process.  Great post though even though there is no logic to it great job!!!  TP for you!

[Kiorrik]

Ha Kiorrik good one --- it's funny to see some people basically regurgitate the same information I posted earlier, put a more positive spin on it and call it their own as if they made a great observation.  I guess imitation really is the sincerest form of flattery!!!

Wouldn't go that far, since we're all watching the same game. Different perspective. Don't feel too flattered for that.

Feel flattered for getting a TP from me for your unfailing relentless posting of your rather negative view on our games :p

Of all the fact out there, you're the one who picks all the negative ones. And that's your choice. And I commend you for sticking with it even though lots of people "hate on you". (gosh I've used that term a lot today)

That said, you need to go out and buy some daffodils m8. You really do.

[JohnBagleyValueMeal]

if people think boston hasnt struggled in the third quarter of games this season then they havent been watching them

We're talking about THIS GAME, homey, and that's not what happened tonight.  If you want to talk about the fourth quarter tonight, fine, but then you'd actually have to make an argument based on evidence and not some pre-existing narrative you roll out whenever you feel like it.

[nickagneta]

C's with 18 turnovers.
C's 3 point shot has disappeared in the second half.
C's can't defend Joe Johnson.
C's offense has gone south in the second half after a great first half.

Can't blame ANY of that on the refs...

C's shooting 10-17 from three.
C's continue to outrebound the Hawks
C's still playing severely undermanned.
C's still getting very little calls.


C's still leading.

The Hawks outrebounded the Celtics badly and they did it since early in the game.

No team can win a championship turning over the ball at this rate and being consistently outrebounded by pretty much everybody. At one point early in the 4th quarter, there was a 20 point differential in FG% and the Hawks were only down by 2 or 3 points. In the end the Celtics had a 10FG% advantage and still lost the game by 6. The difference out off points off turnovers alone was 17 points. Difficult to win consistently with this, even if you're much better putting the ball in the net and getting stops.

What game were you watching?

Celtics outrebounded the Hawks 35-30 in raw numbers. Did I miss something. Celtics rebounded nearly 80% of the misses on the defensive end tonight. That's a good number. They also rebounded over 54% of all the misses in the game which is also a good number.

Raw numbers are meaningless, that's just a consequence of the fact the Cs shot the ball better. We were outrebounded in rebounding % differential, which is what matters.

Rebounding percentage differential in one game? Please show me those numbers and what the heck you're talking about.

[jadams5214]

if people think boston hasnt struggled in the third quarter of games this season then they havent been watching them

I really agree with you there Orlando --- I think there are many who don't get to see the game but post on here as if they know something.  For those of us with NBA league pass  who have actually watched at least 90% of the games --- those are the posters who know what's going on.  

[Kiorrik]

Rebounding percentage differential in one game? Please show me those numbers and what the heck you're talking about.

Here I was, thinking it was me.

Whuwhat indeed.

[JohnBagleyValueMeal]

UMMMM wow reading all of your great stats about how well the C's played I was shocked to learn they actually LOST the game, blowing a 14 point lead in the process.  Great post though even though there is no logic to it great job!!!  TP for you!

WOW YOU ARE REALLY BAD AT THIS.  TRY HARDER.

Nobody said the Celtics played well.  

Nobody said the Celtics won, or didn't blow a lead.

The point was that what happened doesn't match your little compensation strategy.  

The point is that you're not actually making arguments based on evidence or analysis, you're just making up things as you go (we got dominated on the boards, um, I mean, except we didn't!)

Clown.

[celticinorlando]

if people think boston hasnt struggled in the third quarter of games this season then they havent been watching them

We're talking about THIS GAME, homey, and that's not what happened tonight.  If you want to talk about the fourth quarter tonight, fine, but then you'd actually have to make an argument based on evidence and not some pre-existing narrative you roll out whenever you feel like it.

get over yourself professor....tell me what was the boston lead to start the 3rd? what was it at the end? go back and look at the third quarters of philly, atlanta (all 3 times), GS, the Clippers....most of the games boston has lost this season there have given up big leads or had poor 3rd quarters...and what is your argument again? and who are you again?

[Kiorrik]

if people think boston hasnt struggled in the third quarter of games this season then they havent been watching them

I really agree with you there Orlando --- I think there are many who don't get to see the game but post on here as if they know something.  For those of us with NBA league pass  who have actually watched at least 90% of the games --- those are the posters who know what's going on.  

We have been stinking up some 3rd Q's, true. Not all of them, but *when* we stink a lead up, it happens in the 3rd Q. That's also the time in the game you're most likely to give up a lead to lose a game though, so it kind of goes without saying.

Factor in our not having lost that many games, and hey, we're not off that bad at all!

[nickagneta]

If your statement is that the most important part of the game the Celtics couldn't get the most important rebounds, then I will agree whole heartedly with you. That is a true statement.

To say the C's got dominated on the boards and got outrebounded due to something called rebounding percentage differential is just not true. The Hawks rebounded better when they had to but there's no question that the C's were beating them badly inside and outrebounding the Hawks handedly for 34-40 minutes of this game.

[jadams5214]

if people think boston hasnt struggled in the third quarter of games this season then they havent been watching them

We're talking about THIS GAME, homey, and that's not what happened tonight.  If you want to talk about the fourth quarter tonight, fine, but then you'd actually have to make an argument based on evidence and not some pre-existing narrative you roll out whenever you feel like it.

You hit it right on the head there --- shooting over 80% for the 3rd quarter and losing points off the lead is great!  You are such a fan that you created a new name so everyone wouldn't see you posting under your regular name and embarrassing yourself.  Hiding behind an alter ego way to go!  TP for you!

[Kiorrik]

Guys, please don't make this too personal. Keep it clean?

[PosImpos]

it's like your way of dealing with the disappointment of a loss is to dump all over the team so you can feel superior to all the "naive" fans. Let me clue you in to something, homey--you're a effing clown, all your posts might as well be pre-written because you say the same thing irrespective of how the game actually goes.

I wanted to comment on this not because I necessarily agree with everything you said but because this is a pretty good description of what my dad does when he watches games...just dumps all over the Celtics and tries to be as negative and as for the other side as possible.  He does it because he's a cynical New England fan who has watched Boston teams for a long time, and because he wants to get me going.

Your description gave me some insight into why I find that so obnoxious.

[celticinorlando]

If your statement is that the most important part of the game the Celtics couldn't get the most important rebounds, then I will agree whole heartedly with you. That is a true statement.

To say the C's got dominated on the boards and got outrebounded due to something called rebounding percentage differential is just not true. The Hawks rebounded better when they had to but there's no question that the C's were beating them badly inside and outrebounding the Hawks handedly for 34-40 minutes of this game.

my point is they didnt get the timely and important boards tonight...despite what the rebounding margin was