The official “Stop launching those threes and work it in the post, Sheed” thread

[Eja117]

I do think Rasheed is a good teammate.

how can he be a good teammate if he doesn't do his job and sees himself as the only player in the league above holding his tongue when he should?

Rasheed is doing his job, he's playing basketball for the Celtics.

He's far from the only player who hurts his team with technical fouls. I don't expect perfection. I wish Rondo worked harder on his free throws, I wish Pierce didn't turn it over so much, etc.

Well if hiking out at the three point line and shooting them at a more prolific rate than Toine, but making less of them can be called "playing basketball", then you are absolutely right.

And that is what he's doing. I'm not exaggerating this time.

You absolutely are exaggerating. He shoots 3s at a high rate, but look at his splits.

He's cut his 3s down to about half of his shot attempts and has cut down his overall shot attempts per minute over the last month. He's also playing hard and overall solid D.

Rasheed is a very smart player and has adjusted his game to better fit what the C's need.

I'm not sure what I was supposed to be getting from those splits you showed. I saw his fg% going every month, which is good.  But he attempted more threes per 48 mins in January than any month since October

He was at the exact same 3s per 48 as in December going into the game today. His rate went up because he took 7 today, but he also made 5 of them.

He's cut down the rate of his 3s from 12 per48 to 8 per48. He's also cut down his overall usage of the ball.

So he's a smart player that is playing less dumb after 3 months? I hope you're right

[Fafnir]

So he's a smart player that is playing less dumb after 3 months? I hope you're right

He's adjusting his game in response to his poor shooting and to what the team wants/needs. What else would you have him do?

[Eja117]

So he's a smart player that is playing less dumb after 3 months? I hope you're right

He's adjusting his game in response to his poor shooting and to what the team wants/needs. What else would you have him do?

How is shooting 7 threes today adjusting his game in response to poor shooting?

What is "his game"?  Just hiking out at the three point line?

I would have him go to the hoop every single conceivable time and try to draw fouls and get better shots. Then if it's not working pass the ball. You know. Play like he's 6ft 11 or something. And I would have had him do it from day one, not after three months.

[Drucci]

So he's a smart player that is playing less dumb after 3 months? I hope you're right

He's adjusting his game in response to his poor shooting and to what the team wants/needs. What else would you have him do?

How is shooting 7 threes today adjusting his game in response to poor shooting?

What is "his game"?  Just hiking out at the three point line?

I would have him go to the hoop every single conceivable time and try to draw fouls and get better shots. Then if it's not working pass the ball. You know. Play like he's 6ft 11 or something. And I would have had him do it from day one, not after three months.

He also had 6 free throws tonight. He took 7 shots from three because he was hot from there, are you going to criticize him for even making 3's now?

[Eja117]

So he's a smart player that is playing less dumb after 3 months? I hope you're right

He's adjusting his game in response to his poor shooting and to what the team wants/needs. What else would you have him do?

How is shooting 7 threes today adjusting his game in response to poor shooting?

What is "his game"?  Just hiking out at the three point line?

I would have him go to the hoop every single conceivable time and try to draw fouls and get better shots. Then if it's not working pass the ball. You know. Play like he's 6ft 11 or something. And I would have had him do it from day one, not after three months.

He also had 6 free throws tonight. He took 7 shots from three because he was hot from there, are you going to criticize him for even making 3's now?

No. If he's hot he's hot. He's allowed to have a good game here and there, which is about what he is, but it doesn't excuse him for three months of lazy and poor offensive play.

Who's to say if he had shot it closer that he wouldn't have got hot from there?

What are you saying? That it's ok and essentially a good thing for a player Sheed's size to hike out at the three point line, shoot a bunch of threes routinely, and hit about 25%?

Are you saying it's ok as long as he occasionally has a game like he did tonight?

What if Perk started doing this? What if Perk started hiking out at the the three line and shooting about 6 a game and making 25%?

Is that ok cause suddenly that's "his game" and then he has a game like Sheed did tonight?


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[Drucci]

So he's a smart player that is playing less dumb after 3 months? I hope you're right

He's adjusting his game in response to his poor shooting and to what the team wants/needs. What else would you have him do?

How is shooting 7 threes today adjusting his game in response to poor shooting?

What is "his game"?  Just hiking out at the three point line?

I would have him go to the hoop every single conceivable time and try to draw fouls and get better shots. Then if it's not working pass the ball. You know. Play like he's 6ft 11 or something. And I would have had him do it from day one, not after three months.

He also had 6 free throws tonight. He took 7 shots from three because he was hot from there, are you going to criticize him for even making 3's now?

No. If he's hot he's hot. He's allowed to have a good game here and there, which is about what he is, but it doesn't excuse him for three months of lazy and poor offensive play.

Who's to say if he had shot it closer that he wouldn't have got hot from there?

What are you saying? That it's ok and essentially a good thing for a player Sheed's size to hike out at the three point line, shoot a bunch of threes routinely, and hit about 25%?

Are you saying it's ok as long as he occasionally has a game like he did tonight?

What if Perk started doing this? What if Perk started hiking out at the the three line and shooting about 6 a game and making 25%?

Is that ok cause suddenly that's "his game" and then he has a game like Sheed did tonight?


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Your are so biased against Sheed that your points are just totally off topic.

Perk don't shoot threes because he can't make them. Sheeds shoots them because he can make them. He has struggled from three this season but tonight's game, like others, show that he has the ability to make threes, and a lot of them.

He did take less threes when he was in a serious slump, and he plays in the post when our team needs a crucial bucket.

Like you, I would be even more satisfied if Sheed played 90% of the time in the post, but he has never done it for his entire career and when we signed him I knew (and Danny, Doc, and everybody on the team knew it) that he wouldn't change his game.

Rasheed has a lot of skills, and he prefers to shoot threes rather than go in the post, but he has had a good balanced type of game this season.

You can throw all the stats you want about all the 3's he has attempted so far but if you watch the games, you know he has a balanced game, switching between game in the post, midrange shots and three point shots.

And you are totally overlooking his defensive contributions, I can't count all the steals Sheed got us this season and the overall excellent D he played on his opponent.

All I'm saying is that Sheed has no more flaws than the other Celtics of this roster, but he does has the role of the scapegoat for fans. It's easy to blame him for the losses.

Sheed haters only come up when he has bad games and stay silent when he plays great or good. This is why I find these threads ridiculous.

The only fair criticism Sheed can take this season is that he is out of shape and doesn't play his butt off every night.

But he contributes a lot defensively, offensively he has ups and downs and he struggles from three but the shots he takes are good ones, in the flow of the offense, and when he is wide open.

[wdleehi]

Let's get to the point.


If Wallace wasn't suppose to be out there (deep on offense), then he wouldn't be playing so much time.  Davis last year proved to be a usable player in this system.  The Celtics have a great record when Scali starts for KG. 

Doc has other options.  The fact that he is not going to these options and is not making a big deal out of where Wallace is setting up on offense, Wallace is where Doc wants him.

[Eja117]

So he's a smart player that is playing less dumb after 3 months? I hope you're right

He's adjusting his game in response to his poor shooting and to what the team wants/needs. What else would you have him do?

How is shooting 7 threes today adjusting his game in response to poor shooting?

What is "his game"?  Just hiking out at the three point line?

I would have him go to the hoop every single conceivable time and try to draw fouls and get better shots. Then if it's not working pass the ball. You know. Play like he's 6ft 11 or something. And I would have had him do it from day one, not after three months.

He also had 6 free throws tonight. He took 7 shots from three because he was hot from there, are you going to criticize him for even making 3's now?

No. If he's hot he's hot. He's allowed to have a good game here and there, which is about what he is, but it doesn't excuse him for three months of lazy and poor offensive play.

Who's to say if he had shot it closer that he wouldn't have got hot from there?

What are you saying? That it's ok and essentially a good thing for a player Sheed's size to hike out at the three point line, shoot a bunch of threes routinely, and hit about 25%?

Are you saying it's ok as long as he occasionally has a game like he did tonight?

What if Perk started doing this? What if Perk started hiking out at the the three line and shooting about 6 a game and making 25%?

Is that ok cause suddenly that's "his game" and then he has a game like Sheed did tonight?


Exact same thing

Your are so biased against Sheed that your points are just totally off topic.

Perk don't shoot threes because he can't make them. Sheeds shoots them because he can make them. He has struggled from three this season but tonight's game, like others, show that he has the ability to make threes, and a lot of them.

He did take less threes when he was in a serious slump, and he plays in the post when our team needs a crucial bucket.

Like you, I would be even more satisfied if Sheed played 90% of the time in the post, but he has never done it for his entire career and when we signed him I knew (and Danny, Doc, and everybody on the team knew it) that he wouldn't change his game.

Rasheed has a lot of skills, and he prefers to shoot threes rather than go in the post, but he has had a good balanced type of game this season.

You can throw all the stats you want about all the 3's he has attempted so far but if you watch the games, you know he has a balanced game, switching between game in the post, midrange shots and three point shots.

And you are totally overlooking his defensive contributions, I can't count all the steals Sheed got us this season and the overall excellent D he played on his opponent.

All I'm saying is that Sheed has no more flaws than the other Celtics of this roster, but he does has the role of the scapegoat for fans. It's easy to blame him for the losses.

Sheed haters only come up when he has bad games and stay silent when he plays great or good. This is why I find these threads ridiculous.

The only fair criticism Sheed can take this season is that he is out of shape and doesn't play his butt off every night.

But he contributes a lot defensively, offensively he has ups and downs and he struggles from three but the shots he takes are good ones, in the flow of the offense, and when he is wide open.

So Toine was great too, right? Cause he made more threes than Sheed this year. And if you didn't like Toine's game (and said so) then you were a Toine hater, right?

Ok then. I guess that's what I am.

[Drucci]

I wasn't watching the NBA when Walker was playing for the Celtics, but from what I've seen and read he was a dumb player, which Sheed is not, and Sheed is far more skilled.

[Fafnir]

]So Toine was great too, right? Cause he made more threes than Sheed this year. And if you didn't like Toine's game (and said so) then you were a Toine hater, right?

Ok then. I guess that's what I am.

Edit: nevermind I misread what you were saying

[bello_man09]

I wasn't watching the NBA when Walker was playing for the Celtics, but from what I've seen and read he was a dumb player, which Sheed is not, and Sheed is far more skilled.

Walker was not a horrible player...however he was one of those players that thought he was better than he was...dude actually thought he was on the same level as pierce.....i actually enjoyed watching him and Pierce back in the days...when they had Tony Battie, Eric Williams. 

[celticsclay]

I wasn't watching the NBA when Walker was playing for the Celtics, but from what I've seen and read he was a dumb player, which Sheed is not, and Sheed is far more skilled.

Walker was not a horrible player...however he was one of those players that thought he was better than he was...dude actually thought he was on the same level as pierce.....i actually enjoyed watching him and Pierce back in the days...when they had Tony Battie, Eric Williams. 

There were arguably a few years were Toine was equal to Pierce. Pierce was not as polished defensively as now and also was not as good a rebounder. Walker actually did rebound in his best years (i think he averaged double digits one year) and was a skilled passer. I guess I am opening this up to the always polarizing debate on walker, but I just hate when people forget how good and talented he was for a few years.

[BballTim]

So he's a smart player that is playing less dumb after 3 months? I hope you're right

He's adjusting his game in response to his poor shooting and to what the team wants/needs. What else would you have him do?

How is shooting 7 threes today adjusting his game in response to poor shooting?

What is "his game"?  Just hiking out at the three point line?

I would have him go to the hoop every single conceivable time and try to draw fouls and get better shots. Then if it's not working pass the ball. You know. Play like he's 6ft 11 or something. And I would have had him do it from day one, not after three months.

He also had 6 free throws tonight. He took 7 shots from three because he was hot from there, are you going to criticize him for even making 3's now?

No. If he's hot he's hot. He's allowed to have a good game here and there, which is about what he is, but it doesn't excuse him for three months of lazy and poor offensive play.

Who's to say if he had shot it closer that he wouldn't have got hot from there?

What are you saying? That it's ok and essentially a good thing for a player Sheed's size to hike out at the three point line, shoot a bunch of threes routinely, and hit about 25%?

  I'd say that there's value in having someone Sheed's size out near the 3 point line as it draws one of the opposing bigs outside of the lane. That's one of the reasons we signed him. It opens things up for Rondo and Pierce.

[Rondo_is_better]

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[dark_lord]

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lol, so true!  tp