The official “Stop launching those threes and work it in the post, Sheed” thread

[Fafnir]

I think two big reasons why Sheed isn't posting more are:

 - the offense tends to focus on big men shooting from distance as a primary weapon.  That's why Baby was shooting all those jump shots, and that's where the guy Sheed's starting for tends to shoot.  No other big takes 3s, but Sheed does have that range.

 - more importantly, Sheed is out of shape and gets fatigued, especially with starter's minutes.  That's no excuse when he returns to bench play though.

maybe someone should start a "get in shape, Sheed" thread to go along with this one.  There is no excuse to be out of shape unless a player is coming back from an injury.  Very unprofessional.

I think his terrible conditioning is what's really hurting his play. His rebounding decline and poor shooting all can't be helped by the extra weight for his legs to deal with.

I agree, and he hasn't been in shape in a few years.  Now tell me, how can the ultimate team player be a guy who doesn't even get himself in shape?  Seems like basic stuff to me- be in shape, play hard, etc.

I don't think I've ever called him the ultimate team player. I think he's a great player to have on your team because he's unselfish and understands basketball.

He's got his warts, but so do most players. With Rasheed its the referees and a few too many 3s.

Not you in particular, but some other guys say that quite a bit.

Well why should I defend other people's words?

I do think Rasheed is a good teammate.

[fairweatherfan]

I think two big reasons why Sheed isn't posting more are:

 - the offense tends to focus on big men shooting from distance as a primary weapon.  That's why Baby was shooting all those jump shots, and that's where the guy Sheed's starting for tends to shoot.  No other big takes 3s, but Sheed does have that range.

 - more importantly, Sheed is out of shape and gets fatigued, especially with starter's minutes.  That's no excuse when he returns to bench play though.

maybe someone should start a "get in shape, Sheed" thread to go along with this one.  There is no excuse to be out of shape unless a player is coming back from an injury.  Very unprofessional.

I think his terrible conditioning is what's really hurting his play. His rebounding decline and poor shooting all can't be helped by the extra weight for his legs to deal with.

I agree - and I think it's partly laziness too.  Somewhere in Simmons' book (got it for Xmas) he quotes a player talking about how veterans often develop "mental fat" along with the physical kind.  I think Sheed has that issue - he partly jacks 3s because he's out of shape, but partly because he doesn't want to put the effort in to post up regularly. 

The Sheed 3 definitely will and should be part of our game though; and at least 3 of his attempts the other night were at the shotclock buzzer.  But the rate at which he's shooting the outside shot has gotta stop.  Even moving in to the 12-15 foot range would be a big help.

[housecall]

In our championship season we found few things wrong with our 6th man(J.Posey).In Sheed case a number of issues jump off the page from the start with most fans.I think we are expecting and should expect the 6th man to be as close to a starter in preparation(in-shape)and performance as he can be.When you look throughout the NBA,on the top teams most sixth men could probably be starters on most team.We all know Sheed has the tools to be that player but he is not living up to it at times.

[Fafnir]

In our championship season we found few things wrong with our 6th man(J.Posey).In Sheed case a number of issues jump off the page from the start with most fans.I think we are expecting and should expect the 6th man to be as close to a starter in preparation(in-shape)and performance as he can be.When you look throughout the NBA,on the top teams most sixth men could probably be starters on most team.We all know Sheed has the tools to be that player but he is not living up to it at times.

Posey was overly reliant on the 3 ball just like Rasheed and had his own issues. The difference between Posey/Sheed is the expectations.

Posey was brought in on a cheap short term contract and he was also a relatively low profile player. Rasheed is a big name in the NBA and signed a lucrative three year deal for 20+ million. People expected a lot more from him in my opinion.

[moiso]

In our championship season we found few things wrong with our 6th man(J.Posey).In Sheed case a number of issues jump off the page from the start with most fans.I think we are expecting and should expect the 6th man to be as close to a starter in preparation(in-shape)and performance as he can be.When you look throughout the NBA,on the top teams most sixth men could probably be starters on most team.We all know Sheed has the tools to be that player but he is not living up to it at times.

Posey was overly reliant on the 3 ball just like Rasheed and had his own issues. The difference between Posey/Sheed is the expectations.

Posey was brought in on a cheap short term contract and he was also a relatively low profile player. Rasheed is a big name in the NBA and signed a lucrative three year deal for 20+ million. People expected a lot more from him in my opinion.

The difference is that Posey hit his 3's at 38%.  And he took them in the flow of the game. 

[Fafnir]

In our championship season we found few things wrong with our 6th man(J.Posey).In Sheed case a number of issues jump off the page from the start with most fans.I think we are expecting and should expect the 6th man to be as close to a starter in preparation(in-shape)and performance as he can be.When you look throughout the NBA,on the top teams most sixth men could probably be starters on most team.We all know Sheed has the tools to be that player but he is not living up to it at times.

Posey was overly reliant on the 3 ball just like Rasheed and had his own issues. The difference between Posey/Sheed is the expectations.

Posey was brought in on a cheap short term contract and he was also a relatively low profile player. Rasheed is a big name in the NBA and signed a lucrative three year deal for 20+ million. People expected a lot more from him in my opinion.

The difference is that Posey hit his 3's at 38%.  And he took them in the flow of the game. 

So does Rasheed most of the time either that or at the end of the shot clock when his team mates just throw it to him. His problem is that he's living behind the 3 point line too much on offense, but that's also Doc's design.

[Eja117]

I think two big reasons why Sheed isn't posting more are:

 - the offense tends to focus on big men shooting from distance as a primary weapon.  That's why Baby was shooting all those jump shots, and that's where the guy Sheed's starting for tends to shoot.  No other big takes 3s, but Sheed does have that range.

 - more importantly, Sheed is out of shape and gets fatigued, especially with starter's minutes.  That's no excuse when he returns to bench play though.

maybe someone should start a "get in shape, Sheed" thread to go along with this one.  There is no excuse to be out of shape unless a player is coming back from an injury.  Very unprofessional.

I think his terrible conditioning is what's really hurting his play. His rebounding decline and poor shooting all can't be helped by the extra weight for his legs to deal with.

I agree, and he hasn't been in shape in a few years.  Now tell me, how can the ultimate team player be a guy who doesn't even get himself in shape?  Seems like basic stuff to me- be in shape, play hard, etc.

I don't think I've ever called him the ultimate team player. I think he's a great player to have on your team because he's unselfish and understands basketball.

He's got his warts, but so do most players. With Rasheed its the referees and a few too many 3s.

Not you in particular, but some other guys say that quite a bit.

Well why should I defend other people's words?

I do think Rasheed is a good teammate.

how can he be a good teammate if he doesn't do his job and sees himself as the only player in the league above holding his tongue when he should?

[Fafnir]

I do think Rasheed is a good teammate.

how can he be a good teammate if he doesn't do his job and sees himself as the only player in the league above holding his tongue when he should?

Rasheed is doing his job, he's playing basketball for the Celtics.

He's far from the only player who hurts his team with technical fouls. I don't expect perfection. I wish Rondo worked harder on his free throws, I wish Pierce didn't turn it over so much, etc.

[Eja117]

I do think Rasheed is a good teammate.

how can he be a good teammate if he doesn't do his job and sees himself as the only player in the league above holding his tongue when he should?

Rasheed is doing his job, he's playing basketball for the Celtics.

He's far from the only player who hurts his team with technical fouls. I don't expect perfection. I wish Rondo worked harder on his free throws, I wish Pierce didn't turn it over so much, etc.

Well if hiking out at the three point line and shooting them at a more prolific rate than Toine, but making less of them can be called "playing basketball", then you are absolutely right.

And that is what he's doing. I'm not exaggerating this time.

[Eja117]

Sometimes I don't like facing facts either, but about 85% of Sheeds game these days consists of nothing more than hanging out at the three point line, shooting it the second he gets the ball in his hand, and hitting about 25% of them.


For the NBA MLE I could do that too. Actually I'd take a lot less than the MLE.

That's not "playing basketball for the Celts".  That's called taking the easy way out.

When the going gets hard Sheed takes the easy way out. Hard to shut your mouth? Then take the easy way out and open it. Hard to go to the basket? Take the east way out and shoot a three.

Then get paid.

[pearljammer10]

Hey great, at least there is an "official" thread for this topic now... I didnt bother reading all the other million threads on this topic because they were "unofficial" 

[Drucci]

Sheed is 4/5 from three tonight, excellent on defense and on offense. Just saying since the Sheed haters are only showing up when he has bad games.

[Fafnir]

I do think Rasheed is a good teammate.

how can he be a good teammate if he doesn't do his job and sees himself as the only player in the league above holding his tongue when he should?

Rasheed is doing his job, he's playing basketball for the Celtics.

He's far from the only player who hurts his team with technical fouls. I don't expect perfection. I wish Rondo worked harder on his free throws, I wish Pierce didn't turn it over so much, etc.

Well if hiking out at the three point line and shooting them at a more prolific rate than Toine, but making less of them can be called "playing basketball", then you are absolutely right.

And that is what he's doing. I'm not exaggerating this time.

You absolutely are exaggerating. He shoots 3s at a high rate, but look at his splits.

He's cut his 3s down to about half of his shot attempts and has cut down his overall shot attempts per minute over the last month. He's also playing hard and overall solid D.

Rasheed is a very smart player and has adjusted his game to better fit what the C's need.

[Eja117]

I do think Rasheed is a good teammate.

how can he be a good teammate if he doesn't do his job and sees himself as the only player in the league above holding his tongue when he should?

Rasheed is doing his job, he's playing basketball for the Celtics.

He's far from the only player who hurts his team with technical fouls. I don't expect perfection. I wish Rondo worked harder on his free throws, I wish Pierce didn't turn it over so much, etc.

Well if hiking out at the three point line and shooting them at a more prolific rate than Toine, but making less of them can be called "playing basketball", then you are absolutely right.

And that is what he's doing. I'm not exaggerating this time.

You absolutely are exaggerating. He shoots 3s at a high rate, but look at his splits.

He's cut his 3s down to about half of his shot attempts and has cut down his overall shot attempts per minute over the last month. He's also playing hard and overall solid D.

Rasheed is a very smart player and has adjusted his game to better fit what the C's need.

According to this place

 http://celticslife.com/  (towards the bottom)

Sheed shoots for the year more threes and makes less of them than Toine


I'm not sure what I was supposed to be getting from those splits you showed. I saw his fg% going every month, which is good.  But he attempted more threes per 48 mins in January than any month since October
 

[Fafnir]

I do think Rasheed is a good teammate.

how can he be a good teammate if he doesn't do his job and sees himself as the only player in the league above holding his tongue when he should?

Rasheed is doing his job, he's playing basketball for the Celtics.

He's far from the only player who hurts his team with technical fouls. I don't expect perfection. I wish Rondo worked harder on his free throws, I wish Pierce didn't turn it over so much, etc.

Well if hiking out at the three point line and shooting them at a more prolific rate than Toine, but making less of them can be called "playing basketball", then you are absolutely right.

And that is what he's doing. I'm not exaggerating this time.

You absolutely are exaggerating. He shoots 3s at a high rate, but look at his splits.

He's cut his 3s down to about half of his shot attempts and has cut down his overall shot attempts per minute over the last month. He's also playing hard and overall solid D.

Rasheed is a very smart player and has adjusted his game to better fit what the C's need.

I'm not sure what I was supposed to be getting from those splits you showed. I saw his fg% going every month, which is good.  But he attempted more threes per 48 mins in January than any month since October

He was at the exact same 3s per 48 as in December going into the game today. His rate went up because he took 7 today, but he also made 5 of them.

He's cut down the rate of his 3s from 12 per48 to 8 per48. He's also cut down his overall usage of the ball. Sheed still shoots a ton of 3s, we knew that going in.

Focusing so much on three pointers clouds your original point, that Sheed wasn't doing his "job" and was a bad team mate. Neither points are true.