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Atlanta sinking it up against Orlando
« on: January 09, 2010, 08:37:12 PM »

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Boy this is not the same team from last night. They stink. Is it just the match ups or what?

Re: Atlanta sinking it up against Orlando
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2010, 08:41:34 PM »

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I only watched the first quarter and the start of the second ... but the separation was created by Ryan Anderson. They had a lot of trouble matching up with him, forced to play Marvin at the four and still couldn't contain his shooting ability. The Hawks looked out of sorts from then on.

Also, Zaza was struggling badly against Dwight + Gortat. So the Hawks were getting very little contributions from their backup big men and giving away a lot on the defensive end.

Atlanta looked good early. Orlando was having huge problems defending Joe Johnson with JJ Redick, were sending a double team with Dwight Howard, and leaving shooters in acres of space all over the court. Atlanta didn't take good advantage of that opportunity though. Slow in their decisions (during ball movement and shooting opportunities).

Edit: Haha, just looked at the box score. Ryan Anderson only played those few minutes at the end of first and start of the second before leaving the game. +9 in his six minutes ... so obviously something very good continued to happen for the Magic after he left the game. Whatever that was.
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Re: Atlanta sinking it up against Orlando
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I only watched the first quarter and the start of the second ... but the separation was created by Ryan Anderson. They had a lot of trouble matching up with him, forced to play Marvin at the four and still couldn't contain his shooting ability. They looked out of sorts from then on.

Also, Zaza was struggling badly against Dwight + Gortat. So the Hawks were getting very little contributions from their backup big men and giving away a lot on the defensive end.

Atlanta looked good early. Orlando was having huge problems defending Joe Johnson with JJ Redick, were sending a double team with Dwight Howard, and leaving shooters in acres of space all over the court. Atlanta didn't take good advantage of that opportunity though. Slow in their decisions (during ball movement and shooting opportunities).

Atlanta matches up poorly against Orlando.  They don't have the same athletic/quickness advantage in the frontcourt that they do against most other teams.  If their perimeter players aren't shooting well (Johnson, Bibby and Crawford have shot awfully thus far) their offense combusts.

If Josh Smith or Al Horford can't be consistent offensive weapons, the Hawks are going to live (like last night) or die (tonight) with the accuracy of their jump-shooters and their ability to fast break.
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Re: Atlanta sinking it up against Orlando
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2010, 08:57:34 PM »

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I only watched the first quarter and the start of the second ... but the separation was created by Ryan Anderson. They had a lot of trouble matching up with him, forced to play Marvin at the four and still couldn't contain his shooting ability. The Hawks looked out of sorts from then on.

Also, Zaza was struggling badly against Dwight + Gortat. So the Hawks were getting very little contributions from their backup big men and giving away a lot on the defensive end.

Atlanta looked good early. Orlando was having huge problems defending Joe Johnson with JJ Redick, were sending a double team with Dwight Howard, and leaving shooters in acres of space all over the court. Atlanta didn't take good advantage of that opportunity though. Slow in their decisions (during ball movement and shooting opportunities).

Edit: Haha, just looked at the box score. Ryan Anderson only played those few minutes at the end of first and start of the second before leaving the game. +9 in his six minutes ... so obviously something very good continued to happen for the Magic after he left the game. Whatever that was.

It was still Ryan Anderson + the Hawks frontcourt defensive ineptitude. That +/- number can't be right, I watched the game precisely till he was subbed off and Orland was up by +20 at that point.

This Hawks team is very unorthodox defensively: too many switching, too many happy-go-lucky defence. When they aren't forcing turnovers, they're very beatable.

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I only watched the first quarter and the start of the second ... but the separation was created by Ryan Anderson. They had a lot of trouble matching up with him, forced to play Marvin at the four and still couldn't contain his shooting ability. The Hawks looked out of sorts from then on.

Also, Zaza was struggling badly against Dwight + Gortat. So the Hawks were getting very little contributions from their backup big men and giving away a lot on the defensive end.

Atlanta looked good early. Orlando was having huge problems defending Joe Johnson with JJ Redick, were sending a double team with Dwight Howard, and leaving shooters in acres of space all over the court. Atlanta didn't take good advantage of that opportunity though. Slow in their decisions (during ball movement and shooting opportunities).

Edit: Haha, just looked at the box score. Ryan Anderson only played those few minutes at the end of first and start of the second before leaving the game. +9 in his six minutes ... so obviously something very good continued to happen for the Magic after he left the game. Whatever that was.

It was still Ryan Anderson + the Hawks frontcourt defensive ineptitude. That +/- number can't be right, I watched the game precisely till he was subbed off and Orland was up by +20 at that point.

This Hawks team is very unorthodox defensively: too many switching, too many happy-go-lucky defence. When they aren't forcing turnovers, they're very beatable.
Yep, that +/- stat (+9) is wrong. Ryan Anderson came in late in the first when Orlando were up 1 point and he left midway through the second when they were up 21 points. He should have a +20 mark.
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Dr Jekyll and m Mr Crawford! What a difference a day makes.

Re: Atlanta sinking it up against Orlando
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2010, 09:21:57 PM »

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I only watched the first quarter and the start of the second ... but the separation was created by Ryan Anderson. They had a lot of trouble matching up with him, forced to play Marvin at the four and still couldn't contain his shooting ability. The Hawks looked out of sorts from then on.

Also, Zaza was struggling badly against Dwight + Gortat. So the Hawks were getting very little contributions from their backup big men and giving away a lot on the defensive end.

Atlanta looked good early. Orlando was having huge problems defending Joe Johnson with JJ Redick, were sending a double team with Dwight Howard, and leaving shooters in acres of space all over the court. Atlanta didn't take good advantage of that opportunity though. Slow in their decisions (during ball movement and shooting opportunities).

Edit: Haha, just looked at the box score. Ryan Anderson only played those few minutes at the end of first and start of the second before leaving the game. +9 in his six minutes ... so obviously something very good continued to happen for the Magic after he left the game. Whatever that was.

It was still Ryan Anderson + the Hawks frontcourt defensive ineptitude. That +/- number can't be right, I watched the game precisely till he was subbed off and Orland was up by +20 at that point.

This Hawks team is very unorthodox defensively: too many switching, too many happy-go-lucky defence. When they aren't forcing turnovers, they're very beatable.
Yep, that +/- stat (+9) is wrong. Ryan Anderson came in late in the first when Orlando were up 1 point and he left midway through the second when they were up 21 points. He should have a +20 mark.
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I only watched the first quarter and the start of the second ... but the separation was created by Ryan Anderson. They had a lot of trouble matching up with him, forced to play Marvin at the four and still couldn't contain his shooting ability. The Hawks looked out of sorts from then on.

Also, Zaza was struggling badly against Dwight + Gortat. So the Hawks were getting very little contributions from their backup big men and giving away a lot on the defensive end.

Atlanta looked good early. Orlando was having huge problems defending Joe Johnson with JJ Redick, were sending a double team with Dwight Howard, and leaving shooters in acres of space all over the court. Atlanta didn't take good advantage of that opportunity though. Slow in their decisions (during ball movement and shooting opportunities).

Edit: Haha, just looked at the box score. Ryan Anderson only played those few minutes at the end of first and start of the second before leaving the game. +9 in his six minutes ... so obviously something very good continued to happen for the Magic after he left the game. Whatever that was.

It was still Ryan Anderson + the Hawks frontcourt defensive ineptitude. That +/- number can't be right, I watched the game precisely till he was subbed off and Orland was up by +20 at that point.

This Hawks team is very unorthodox defensively: too many switching, too many happy-go-lucky defence. When they aren't forcing turnovers, they're very beatable.
Yep, that =/- stat is wrong. Ryan Anderson came in late in the first when Orlando were up 1 point and he left midway through the second when they were up 21 points. He should have a +20 mark.

Anderson's always so good when I watch him.  He hits 3s, drives by slow guys, posts up little guys and hustles.  
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Re: Atlanta sinking it up against Orlando
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2010, 09:54:02 PM »

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That always happens.  A team has their best game of the season against the Celtics and the next night lose big cause they put so much effort into beating the Celtics that they have nothing left for the next game. 

Re: Atlanta sinking it up against Orlando
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2010, 10:00:08 PM »

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That always happens.  A team has their best game of the season against the Celtics and the next night lose big cause they put so much effort into beating the Celtics that they have nothing left for the next game. 
Orlando was also due for a good game, they'd lost four straight.

Re: Atlanta sinking it up against Orlando
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2010, 11:04:51 PM »

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I still can't get over how many people were crying last night about a loss to ATL @ATL where we played like crap, coached like crap, got a 4 point Hail Mary play on us, some dubious swallow-your-whistle-officiating including the non-call of the year on Bibby's collision with Rondo, have Crawford go ballistic, have all kinds of guys out or walking injured, sick, or gassed and lose by a grand total of 8 points. We're 11-5 against the Hawks over the last 3 years and we supposedly can't win against them if we get them in the playoffs.

BTW, they're a .500 team on the road which isn't the mark of an elite team.

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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2010, 12:13:36 AM »

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2nd night of a back to back on the road for the Hawks.  Routine letdown.

Re: Atlanta sinking it up against Orlando
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2010, 04:53:28 AM »

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ATL is definitely Not Contenders. They win a "Big" game against a depleted Celtics Squad..with their full roster...and had to shoot lights out to do it. And game wasn't decided until late.

They have not beaten ORL or CLE this year, have they? So how can they celebrate against us?

Boston has beaten ORL and CLE - In ORL and CLE...

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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2010, 08:14:07 AM »

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If only Atlanta had played poorly against us and then played well against Orlando... too bad. :P