A very practical and possible trade Bos/Uta/Was....

[fanofgreen]

I believe this trade is a very practical and possible trade that could occur, that is close to fair/even, and every team gets something that is of value to them. With Utah and Washington looking to shake things up relatively soon, I think this is a very plausible trade.

I tried this on espn trade machine, and it works:

Boston sends:   Scalabrine(3.4/1yr)to Was
              Tony Allen(2.5/1yr)to Utah
              JR Giddens(1.0/1yr)to Utah

Washington sends: Dominique McGuire(825k/1yr)to Bos
                  Mike James(6.4/1yr)to Utah

Utah sends:    CJ Miles(3.7/2yr)to Bos
                Kyle Korver(5.15/1yr)to Was
                Ronnie Price(1.2/2yr)to Bos (works w/o utah sending price also)

Boston                                                  
CJ Miles
Dominique McGuire
Ronnie Price

Washington
Kyle Korver
Brian Scalabrine         

 Utah
 Tony Allen
 Mike James
 JR Giddens


And Yes, I realize that by Utah trading away Miles and Korver shortens them at the wing, I anticipate them moving other players and getting back players in other trades, otherwise it wouldn't make sense for them to trade their wings.

And the same with Washington, I realize that adding additional wings (sf/pf)in Korver and Scal, clogs them up even more at that position, but I anticipate them making other moves with other players.

The Celt's basically swap, Scal, TA and JR in return get CJ Miles, McGuire and Ronnie Price, making us a lot deeper, athletic, and Doc won't be afraid to go deep into his bench at times, and will allow the C's to give the older guys more rest, during a game than they have so far this season, and remain competitive with bench guys in.

[slamtheking]

I don't know enough about these players' skills to know if this is a good deal but the question I have is how sure can you be that Doc WOULD play these guys?

The contracts aren't burdensome so the deal is ok from that aspect.  As I mentioned above, do we really significantly improve or is this more of a treading water type of deal?

[makaveli]

If Wiz trade, they will get rid of one of their "Big 3".

[fanofgreen]

If Wiz trade, they will get rid of one of their "Big 3".

I agree, but I dont think they are going to limit themselves to just 1 trade before the deadline. I think they will trade one of their Big 3, but I think they would look into making other trades as well.  Which is why i added those last few paragraphs, because I realize these teams aren't looking to trade guys involved in the trade I propose specifically, but none of these players involved are "untouchable" when it comes to trades.

Utah just came out and said everyone but Deron Williams.

And Washington has been wanting to move Mike James since they got him.

[fanofgreen]

I don't know enough about these players' skills to know if this is a good deal but the question I have is how sure can you be that Doc WOULD play these guys?

The contracts aren't burdensome so the deal is ok from that aspect.  As I mentioned above, do we really significantly improve or is this more of a treading water type of deal?

ok,
CJ Miles is a 6'6 g/f who can knock down the 3, athletic, solid defender, 22yrs old, but is a vet. with 4-5 yrs in the L. Lefty, doesnt need to dribble air out of the ball to be effective offensively.

D. McGuire is a 6'9 f/pf, 24yo 3yr vet. athletic, hustle, energy, can knock down the mid-range J,can handle the ball a little bit for a big man, long and lean, brings versatility.

Ronnie Price is a 6'2 pg, athletic, quick, can knock down the 3, and is known for this infamous play: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcS0xyoQO3w


And I'm not sure how much Doc would play these guys. What I am sure of is, Doc would feel more comfortable with the depth and versatility, and options he would have with these 3 versus scal TA and Giddens.

And yes we do significantlly improve, because we would get a legit backup point guard and depth at the wings, as well as an long-lean-athletic-versatile athlete at the 4 in D. Mcguire that we dont have currently outside of KG.

Our PF options right now are, KG-Baby-Scal-Sheldon. KG's long-lean athletic freak of a body is starting to break-down, so we really dont posses a athletic 4 who can guard (comfortably) the likes of Rashard Lewis,Ryan Anderson, Josh Smith, Thaddeus Young(he plays a lot of 4 now), Antawn Jamison, just as examples. Not saying McGuire is gonna get 35 mins. guarding those guys, but It's always nice to have that option and versatility.(And not be forced to go with either Baby or Scal to defend those athletic 4's and get beat everytime on a pump-fake and a one-dribble blow by[rashardlewis])

And also, this really improves the C's, because we dont need any drastic moves. We aren't trying to build a championship team...we already are one; and so for a team like the C' its, not about the big or major parts of a team or drastic moves, but the small things.

Miles, McGuire and Price aren't big names, All-stars or close to even being 6th man candidates, but thats not what the Celtics need.
All 3 of these guys, wont come in expecting big minutes, because none of them have ever been "big-minute" players. So they might get a few CD-DNP's, but thats not out of the norm for them or the Celtics aka (PJ Brown, Sam Cassell). But they no how to be effective in the time that they get, which is why they are still in the league while enduring DNP's and small minutes.

Hope this answers your question/concern

[nickagneta]

Seems like we are giving up a lot less than we are getting though I could be wrong.

[indeedproceed]

CJ Miles would have a definite rotation spot on this team. Ronnie Price is okay, but I don't know how many minutes he woudl see with the versatility of our wings.

Dominic Mcguire....I don't know about that. Honestly he's about as offensively talented as either of the Collins brothers.

[fanofgreen]

CJ Miles would have a definite rotation spot on this team. Ronnie Price is okay, but I don't know how many minutes he woudl see with the versatility of our wings.

Dominic Mcguire....I don't know about that. Honestly he's about as offensively talented as either of the Collins brothers.

Hahaha. I agree about McGuire not being offensively gifted, but the beautiful thing is, we wouldn't need any offense out of him. Our scoring is taken care of.

I wouldn't expect offense out of him, plus we aren't the Suns or Warriors, we want most of the focus on Defense.

[Who]

Dominic Mcguire....I don't know about that. Honestly he's about as offensively talented as either of the Collins brothers.

Dominic McGuire is an interesting player. He's already one of the best rebounding wings in the league. He is a below average defender but has very good potential on that end of the floor. I'd be interested in picking him up if he came at a very low price (say a minimum contract in free agency, or a second round pick).

He's a long way from a certainty ... but some solid defensive improvement and he could become a useful player very quickly. A rotation worthy player. Nice pickup/risk if he came cheap.

[fanofgreen]

Seems like we are giving up a lot less than we are getting though I could be wrong.

I thought this was close to fair/even.

I mean for it to be a 3 way trade i thought it was pretty close to even value.

Looking at the names involved in this deal: Miles,Price,Scalabrine,Giddens,Mike James, Korver,McGuire,Allen.

I would guess for the avg. NBA fan or if ESPN were talking about the trade,I believe the players they would focus on (because of recognition and familiarity) would by Kyle Korver, Mike James, and Tony Allen.

Those 3 are to me, the 3 main cogs in this trade. And are relatively close in value, based on performance over the last two seasons (including this one).

Kyle Korver (although he wasn't much before) is a shell of himself, he's like the new Peja Stojakovic.And has barely played this year because of injury,and whatever else is going on in utah right now.

Mike James is similar to Kyle Korver, in that he is a shell of himself,and was hurt, has barely played, and his team really doesnt want him.

Tony Allen out of the 3 based off of performance this year, is the one with the most value.

THen you have guys like. Giddens, Scalabrine, McGuire, maybe Price are all on the same tier, as far as their skills set for their position in the pecking order that is the NBA as a whole. (being generous to JR, he would be on a tier  or two below)

and then CJ Miles, might be the only odd ball out of the "equal value" but,at the same time he's not really a role-player thats untouchable. During Championship year, I would consider James Posey, an untouchable or untradable role-player.

Overall, I think that this deal is very even and of equal value.


 

[Who]

Not much interest in CJ Miles. Poor defender, poor-to-very poor rebounder, poor passer. In other words, a horrible player in the non-scoring aspects of the game. And then, as a scorer, he's fairly mediocre both in how prolific he is + how efficient he is + how versatile he is. Too passive. Has shown a lack of improvement over the last two and a half seasons.

Ronnie Price is a good third string point guard. Serviceable backup. Very good defender, good rebounder, and his decision making as a floor general has improved greatly under Jerry Sloan but mostly limited offensively. Infectious energy, a spark plug.

[fanofgreen]

Not much interest in CJ Miles. Poor defender, poor-to-very poor rebounder, poor passer. In other words, a horrible player in the non-scoring aspects of the game. And then, as a scorer, he's fairly mediocre both in how prolific he is + how efficient he is + how versatile he is. Too passive. Has shown a lack of improvement over the last two and a half seasons.

Ronnie Price is a good third string point guard. Serviceable backup. Very good defender, good rebounder, and his decision making as a floor general has improved greatly under Jerry Sloan but mostly limited offensively. Infectious energy, a spark plug.

I must disagree with you in some aspects in regards to CJ Miles.
Poor defender? I know he is not a great defender or would be considered for an All-defenisve team, but I don't think he could earn the kind of minutes he has gotten over the last couple of seasons as a poor defender under Coach Jerry Sloan. Thats just not happening while he is still the coach.

And no CJ Miles is not a great rebounder, or passer or prolific scorer. Players who are are called All-Stars and future HOF's.

And you say CJ Miles has shown a lack of improvement over the last two and a half seasons. Yet his minutes have increased every year, and most importantly his coach is JERRY SLOAN.Why would sloan increase his minutes,if he wasn't improving in some way? explain that to me.

If you are a poor rebounder, defender, scorer, passer, low efficiency, and dont show any improvement and your coaches name is JERRY SLOAN, than your name must be ANDREI KIRILENKO.

And dont forget, these guys, Miles/Price/McGuire aren't coming in and taking over as the "New Big 3" they are replacing Scal, TA, and JR. which for our team, would be an upgrade.

[nickagneta]

CJ Miles might be the best player in this trade. Of course, I am not sure if that's more a reflection of the quality of Miles' play or a reflection of the  quality of play of the other guys in this trade.

Honestly, the wing I would want from Utah is Ronnie Brewer, not Miles.

[fanofgreen]

CJ Miles might be the best player in this trade. Of course, I am not sure if that's more a reflection of the quality of Miles' play or a reflection of the  quality of play of the other guys in this trade.

Honestly, the wing I would want from Utah is Ronnie Brewer, not Miles.

I agree. I would prefer Brewer, but I dont think Utah would be willing to let him go,for anything we have other than one of our main guys.

[Who]

I'd rate the players in the deal as:

(1) Kyle Korver -- solid rotation player
(2) Tony Allen -- mediocre rotation player
(3) Ronnie Price -- borderline rotation player
(4) CJ Miles -- borderline rotation player
(5) Brian Scalabrine -- non-rotation reserve
(6) Tie -- Dominic McGuire and JR Giddens -- decent prospects
(7) Mike James -- dead weight

I'd rate McGuire as the most talented prospect and most likely to realize to his potential. I'd place CJ Miles second and JR Giddens third. The rest of the players are well established and unlikely to improve much further than their current level.