Celtics/Bulls/Jazz Bill Simmons' trade idea

[Drucci]

Since it's known that the Jazz is ready to trade all its players except Deron Williams, Bill Simmons tweeted some trade ideas. One of them included Boston, and as I posted it in the comments on a frontpage article, I wonder if you would do this trade :

Chicago sends Tyrus Thomas to Utah, Kirk Hinrich to Boston ; Chicago receives Carlos Boozer, Marquis Daniels (both expirings)

Utah sends Carlos Boozer to Chicago ; Utah receives Tyrus Thomas, Scalabrine and Tony Allen (expirings)

Boston sends Tony Allen and Scalabrine to Utah, Marquis Daniels to Chicago ; Boston receives Kirk Hinrich

Now, you have to take in consideration that Hinrich, 28, has a terrible contract (average 9 million $ a year through 2011-2012) and that you would have to get rid of Marquis to acquire him. Would you do it?

I think I wouldn't ; I understand the concern about Marquis being injury prone but he is still too precious because of his versatility. Plus, Hinrich's contract is really terrible and he is way overpaid, although he can shoot and defend pretty well.

[Donoghus]

I mentioned in one of the threads awhile back that I absolutely hate Henrich's contract and having him come on as a bench player at the cost of over $9 million a year while multiple years remaining is not something I want.

[Who]

No backup wing ... have to pay more money, on top of Hinrich's contract, to get a quality backup.

I'd rather stick with the present roster.

[indeedproceed]

I don't think I'd trade Tony and Daniels straight up for Hinrich for all the same reasons Who mentioned.

[BballTim]

  Backup weengs? We don't need no steenking backup weengs!

  Pass.

[Roy Hobbs]

No backup wing ... have to pay more money, on top of Hinrich's contract, to get a quality backup.

I'd rather stick with the present roster.

Yep, I agree.  I like Hinrich a lot better than many posters, but we couldn't trade both Daniels and Tony without getting a wing back.  Plus, the contract definitely kills future flexibility.

[Donoghus]

If I'm Chicago, I'd have to seriously consider this.  Getting out from under Henrich's contract and moving Thomas (who I equate on the Bulls to trying to fit a square peg in a round hole) would be a wise move on that organzation's part.  They need to seriously revamp things there and construct a basketball team, not a rag-tag collection of basketball talent.

[Cman]

I don't like Hinrich's contract, but I do like him as a player.  He would be a great backup for Rondo, allowing House to slide to off guard.  Hinrich could also sub in for Ray at SG, and still provide good 3pt shooting.  I also like Hinrich's all around scrappiness.

I wouldn't mind the deal if the Cs could give up one less wing, or get back something to sweeten the deal a bit (but the salaries just barely work as it is).

[Roy Hobbs]

If I'm Chicago, I'd have to seriously consider this.  Getting out from under Henrich's contract and moving Thomas (who I equate on the Bulls to trying to fit a square peg in a round hole) would be a wise move on that organzation's part.  They need to seriously revamp things there and construct a basketball team, not a rag-tag collection of basketball talent.

Very few organizations have shot themselves in the foot like Chicago has in terms of assets.  They squandered cap space on Ben Wallace, and passed on a golden opportunity to acquire Pau Gasol.  They had the chance to be an elite team in the conference, and have completely squandered that.

Miami is probably in a similar position right now, and I don't think they'll end up any better off than the Bulls did.

[nickagneta]

This being a Bill Simmons trade idea, it's no wonder the only team not getting better from this trade is Boston.

I don't like the trade at all.

I love Hinrich and have proposed some trades to get him here but his being here playing alongside Marquis Daniels makes the second team better. Him being here in place of Daniels is a sideway move where we take on a ridiculous contract for a player that is seriously beat up this year while giving up two tradeable, expiring assets that still contribute to the team.

It's a good idea that I would love to see happen if Daniels and/or Tony Allen(can't believe I'm writing that) was not part of the trade. Of course if the trade was tweaked where we could also get Ronnie brewer while shipping Walker to Utah and Giddens to Chicago, then I might consider it.

Then:

Rondo/House/Hudson
Allen/Hinrich
Pierce/Brewer
KG/Davis/Williams
Perk/Rasheed

The C's could then sign a free agent wing(Stackhouse) or send money to Utah or Chicago to buy out Daniels, Tony or Scal and resign them.

[Donoghus]

If I'm Chicago, I'd have to seriously consider this.  Getting out from under Henrich's contract and moving Thomas (who I equate on the Bulls to trying to fit a square peg in a round hole) would be a wise move on that organzation's part.  They need to seriously revamp things there and construct a basketball team, not a rag-tag collection of basketball talent.

Very few organizations have shot themselves in the foot like Chicago has in terms of assets.  They squandered cap space on Ben Wallace, and passed on a golden opportunity to acquire Pau Gasol.  They had the chance to be an elite team in the conference, and have completely squandered that.

Miami is probably in a similar position right now, and I don't think they'll end up any better off than the Bulls did.

The Alridge for Thomas trade is an all-time blunder.  Aldridge is the type of player they are currently lacking.  Maybe they make a run at Bosh in the offseason but it could've been avoided.

[nickagneta]

I never got how they, Chicago, didn't get Gasol and don't remember the details. But from what I remember, the package they were being asked to give up wasn't that bad and was way, way, way better than what the Grizzlies got out of the Lakers. Was it a situation where Chicago stepped away from the trading table or was it the Griz. If it was the Grizzlies, then some of the "Jerry West steering Gasol to the Lakers" conspiracy theories have a bit more credence.

[RAcker]

I never got how they, Chicago, didn't get Gasol and don't remember the details. But from what I remember, the package they were being asked to give up wasn't that bad and was way, way, way better than what the Grizzlies got out of the Lakers. Was it a situation where Chicago stepped away from the trading table or was it the Griz. If it was the Grizzlies, then some of the "Jerry West steering Gasol to the Lakers" conspiracy theories have a bit more credence.

Your point is strong, thus, a TP.

I've always wondered about the back story there as many of us have.

[BudweiserCeltic]

If I'm Chicago, I'd have to seriously consider this.  Getting out from under Henrich's contract and moving Thomas (who I equate on the Bulls to trying to fit a square peg in a round hole) would be a wise move on that organzation's part.  They need to seriously revamp things there and construct a basketball team, not a rag-tag collection of basketball talent.

Very few organizations have shot themselves in the foot like Chicago has in terms of assets.  They squandered cap space on Ben Wallace, and passed on a golden opportunity to acquire Pau Gasol.  They had the chance to be an elite team in the conference, and have completely squandered that.

Miami is probably in a similar position right now, and I don't think they'll end up any better off than the Bulls did.

They also passed on Kobe to keep Deng. Don't remember what the whole package was, but it was a mistake for them to pass on Kobe particularly when they did.

[Who]

I never got how they, Chicago, didn't get Gasol and don't remember the details. But from what I remember, the package they were being asked to give up wasn't that bad and was way, way, way better than what the Grizzlies got out of the Lakers. Was it a situation where Chicago stepped away from the trading table or was it the Griz. If it was the Grizzlies, then some of the "Jerry West steering Gasol to the Lakers" conspiracy theories have a bit more credence.

(1) Chicago grossly over-rated it's young players -- which led to them thinking that inquiring teams were asking for far too much in trades. Perception versus reality.

(2) The rest of the league didn't rate their players highly ... particularly Memphis who weren't overly enamored with Deng or Gordon. Neither player, or both players together, were good enough to vault them up the standings or to build a future winner around (franchise player types).

Memphis was overly pessimistic but still correct whilst the Bulls were ridiculously optimistic (rose tinted glasses) and idiotic.