(likely) No Rondo and KG (and Marquis) for Wednesday against the Heat

[Fafnir]

And I would rather see Giddens, Hudson and Walker play - both with potential and athletic abilities, pretty decent skills, but lack of experience - extended minutes than Scalabrine - experience but no skills whatsoever -, if you ask me. He is basically the 16th player on a 15 man roster.

If Doc is going to play Scal for spot minutes in the playoffs potentially instead of Walker/Giddens/Hudson he should still get minutes now. To try and get Scal going! Scal needs to start making shots or he'll end up being as valuable as Mikki Moore.

[slamtheking]

And I would rather see Giddens, Hudson and Walker play - both with potential and athletic abilities, pretty decent skills, but lack of experience - extended minutes than Scalabrine - experience but no skills whatsoever -, if you ask me. He is basically the 16th player on a 15 man roster.

If Doc is going to play Scal for spot minutes in the playoffs potentially instead of Walker/Giddens/Hudson he should still get minutes now. To try and get Scal going! Scal needs to start making shots or he'll end up being as valuable as Mikki Moore.

If Scal's seeing courttime under any circumstances in the playoffs, we've got problems.

I've already seen what Scal can do.  not much.  it takes a real talent to register that many 0's in a statline with that many minutes.  it takes a helluva a 6'9" player to get consistantly outrebounded by opposition guards (even the ones he has boxed out go over him to get the rebound or at least tip it away to someone on their team). 

Scal can sit.  Let's see if someone else can produce more than he does if given the minutes.  Giddens put up better numbers than Scal in the last game and played decent defense--> definitely had active hands deflecting the ball a couple of times.  He actually got downfloor on a break and scored with someone on him.  Let's see if Walker can do the same and outproduce Scal. 

Miami has some youthful, energetic players that will leave Scal in the dust.  Let's see if Walker can do any better against those types of players.

[Fafnir]

And I would rather see Giddens, Hudson and Walker play - both with potential and athletic abilities, pretty decent skills, but lack of experience - extended minutes than Scalabrine - experience but no skills whatsoever -, if you ask me. He is basically the 16th player on a 15 man roster.

If Doc is going to play Scal for spot minutes in the playoffs potentially instead of Walker/Giddens/Hudson he should still get minutes now. To try and get Scal going! Scal needs to start making shots or he'll end up being as valuable as Mikki Moore.

Miami has some youthful, energetic players that will leave Scal in the dust.  Let's see if Walker can do any better against those types of players.

Giddens doesn't play the same role that Scal does, Bill Walker potentially could though. The fact that he hasn't sniffed the court despite recent injuries and his experience last year speaks volumes to his value.

[slamtheking]

And I would rather see Giddens, Hudson and Walker play - both with potential and athletic abilities, pretty decent skills, but lack of experience - extended minutes than Scalabrine - experience but no skills whatsoever -, if you ask me. He is basically the 16th player on a 15 man roster.

If Doc is going to play Scal for spot minutes in the playoffs potentially instead of Walker/Giddens/Hudson he should still get minutes now. To try and get Scal going! Scal needs to start making shots or he'll end up being as valuable as Mikki Moore.

Miami has some youthful, energetic players that will leave Scal in the dust.  Let's see if Walker can do any better against those types of players.

Giddens doesn't play the same role that Scal does, Bill Walker potentially could though. The fact that he hasn't sniffed the court despite recent injuries and his experience last year speaks volumes to his value.

"Giddens doesn't play the same role that Scal does"
You're absolutely right.  Yet Giddens, as a SG/SF still outproduced SF/PF Scal on the boards and points in the paint.  You've unintentionally emphasized my point.

"Bill Walker potentially could though. The fact that he hasn't sniffed the court despite recent injuries and his experience last year speaks volumes to his value."
Speaks volumes?  We must be hearing different things.  What I'm hearing is the same old tune---Doc prefers to play vets over youth and only plays youth when given no option.  Not everyone agrees with that.  Personally, having seen Scal play for this team for the past 5 years, I have an extreme difficulty believing that Walker can't play at the same level of Scal or more importantly, a higher level.

[Fafnir]

"Giddens doesn't play the same role that Scal does"
You're absolutely right.  Yet Giddens, as a SG/SF still outproduced SF/PF Scal on the boards and points in the paint.  You've unintentionally emphasized my point.

Um okay. I was pointing out that Giddens fulfills a different role on the court, he's not competing against Scal for playing time. Giddens is competing against Tony Allen, Ray Allen, and Marquis Daniels.

Speaks volumes?  We must be hearing different things.  What I'm hearing is the same old tune---Doc prefers to play vets over youth and only plays youth when given no option.  Not everyone agrees with that.  Personally, having seen Scal play for this team for the past 5 years, I have an extreme difficulty believing that Walker can't play at the same level of Scal or more importantly, a higher level.

Doc has a very good record of developing talent and having productive players get minutes early in their career. He doesn't play most rookies right away, but if they can play they end up getting the minutes.

Bill Walker hasn't played well for the NBDL team this year, hasn't looked good in practice according to Ainge/Doc, and was worse than Scal last year when he had his shot at playing time.

[Edgar]

Dunking   (  =`s NOT ) playing good basketball


for further reference

see. Green, Gerald

[Bahku]

and the very least  they should get is support from the fans,

What? I'm confused, do you think those of us who aren't enthused about playing the kids are booing them from our seats or homes while we watch the games?

First of all, is that what I said ... that people are "booing them from the stands"? Did I even infer that? Please don't exaggerate my comments or twist them to make absurd comments out of them ... that's where good discussion ends, not begins. Secondly, did I put you in that category? I said "some here", and if you'll take a moment to read some of the other threads, you'll see that there are those who feel that giving the bench extra playing time serves "no purpose" ... does that sound at all like they're supporting them?!? I don't know what you're confused about, but I was very clear with my statements ... perhaps misinterpreting them is where the confusion lies.

[Fafnir]

and the very least  they should get is support from the fans,

What? I'm confused, do you think those of us who aren't enthused about playing the kids are booing them from our seats or homes while we watch the games?

First of all, is that what I said ... that people are "booing them from the stands"? Did I even infer that? Please don't exaggerate my comments or twist them to make absurd comments out of them ... that's where good discussion ends, not begins. Secondly, did I put you in that category? I said "some here", and if you'll take a moment to read some of the other threads, you'll see that there are those who feel that giving the bench extra playing time serves "no purpose" ... does that sound at all like they're supporting them?!? I don't know what you're confused about, but I was very clear with my statements ... perhaps misinterpreting them is where the confusion lies.

So who were you talking about? What did you mean by it? If you're not going to identify whom your talking about expect in and indefinite manner of "some" don't get upset when others have to fill in the blanks. Frankly I don't think there is a lot that will be gained by limited minutes dictated by injury to the our 13th, 14th, and 15th men on the roster. I am "some".

You said:

I agree, Drucci, (TP) but there are many here who feel that giving extra experience to the "bench-warmers" is a waste of time, (see "Injuries ... Blessing In Disguise?) ... kinda sad, because the fact is that they are going to get extra time due to injuries whether people like it or not, and the very least they should get is support from the fans, (a consideration we would all hope for ourselves, in the same situation), since they certainly get it from the other players and the coaches. Well said, D.

How is discussing the future potential and value of Bill Walker, Lester Hudson, and J.R. Giddens, and taking a negative outlook, not supporting them? Are we not to discuss the team critically?

Unless "some here" are booing them at the games or rooting for their failure I fail to see how they're not supporting them. I haven't seen anyone do that, feel free to point out any who have.

I'm not twisting your statements at all you rail against "some here" for not "supporting" particular players. Just because people don't view J.R. as the next Andre Igudola, Bill Walker as the next Paul Pierce, and Lester Hudson as the next Darrell Armstrong doesn't mean we don't support the team. You don't have to have a positive outlook to support your team.

I knew the Celtics weren't going to win a championship without KG. I knew BBD wasn't going to cut it as a replacement. I still went crazy in the playoffs like I always do. Support does not equal rose colored glasses on a discussion board.

[Bahku]

and the very least  they should get is support from the fans,

What? I'm confused, do you think those of us who aren't enthused about playing the kids are booing them from our seats or homes while we watch the games?

First of all, is that what I said ... that people are "booing them from the stands"? Did I even infer that? Please don't exaggerate my comments or twist them to make absurd comments out of them ... that's where good discussion ends, not begins. Secondly, did I put you in that category? I said "some here", and if you'll take a moment to read some of the other threads, you'll see that there are those who feel that giving the bench extra playing time serves "no purpose" ... does that sound at all like they're supporting them?!? I don't know what you're confused about, but I was very clear with my statements ... perhaps misinterpreting them is where the confusion lies.

So who were you talking about? What did you mean by it? If you're not going to identify whom your talking about expect in and indefinite manner of "some" don't get upset when others have to fill in the blanks. Frankly I don't think there is a lot that will be gained by limited minutes dictated by injury to the our 13th, 14th, and 15th men on the roster. I am "some".

You said:

I agree, Drucci, (TP) but there are many here who feel that giving extra experience to the "bench-warmers" is a waste of time, (see "Injuries ... Blessing In Disguise?) ... kinda sad, because the fact is that they are going to get extra time due to injuries whether people like it or not, and the very least they should get is support from the fans, (a consideration we would all hope for ourselves, in the same situation), since they certainly get it from the other players and the coaches. Well said, D.

How is discussing the future potential and value of Bill Walker, Lester Hudson, and J.R. Giddens, and taking a negative outlook, not supporting them? Are we not to discuss the team critically?

Unless "some here" are booing them at the games or rooting for their failure I fail to see how they're not supporting them. I haven't seen anyone do that, feel free to point out any who have.

I'm not twisting your statements at all you rail against "some here" for not "supporting" particular players. Just because people don't view J.R. as the next Andre Igudola, Bill Walker as the next Paul Pierce, and Lester Hudson as the next Darrell Armstrong doesn't mean we don't support the team. You don't have to have a positive outlook to support your team.

I knew the Celtics weren't going to win a championship without KG. I knew BBD wasn't going to cut it as a replacement. I still went crazy in the playoffs like I always do. Support does not equal rose colored glasses on a discussion board.

"Rail" against? Huh?!? You claimed I was saying people here are "booing" these players from the stands, your words, not MINE ... if that's not an exaggeration or misinterpretation, then I don't know what IS. If you want to comment on what I SAID, fine, but don't put words in my mouth. I didn't state who said unsupportive things about the bench out of courtesy ... I don't see that as a bad thing, but you may. But since you're quoting me from other threads, I think it can be assumed that you know what I'm talking about, and that it wasn't YOU ... so please don't feign surprise or confusion. If you HAVE read it, then you know what was said there is not remotely supportive of our bench or them getting extra playing time, so I have to conclude that you're in this discussion for other reasons. Fact is, extra experience and time on the court is always good, no matter who gets it, and an argument to the contrary just holds no water ... unless it's just for argument's sake.

[nickagneta]

and the very least  they should get is support from the fans,

What? I'm confused, do you think those of us who aren't enthused about playing the kids are booing them from our seats or homes while we watch the games?

First of all, is that what I said ... that people are "booing them from the stands"? Did I even infer that? Please don't exaggerate my comments or twist them to make absurd comments out of them ... that's where good discussion ends, not begins. Secondly, did I put you in that category? I said "some here", and if you'll take a moment to read some of the other threads, you'll see that there are those who feel that giving the bench extra playing time serves "no purpose" ... does that sound at all like they're supporting them?!? I don't know what you're confused about, but I was very clear with my statements ... perhaps misinterpreting them is where the confusion lies.

Well obviously you are talking about me.

And since when is calling in my allegiance to those players or the team have anything to do with the fact that I don't agree that giving said players playing time is beneficial to the team. I would appreciate it if you don't call into question my allegiance to this team as it is against the rules of this site.

For a person who's supposed to be all about positivity and community these passive aggressive attacks seem against what you supposedly stand for.

[Edgar]

and the very least  they should get is support from the fans,

What? I'm confused, do you think those of us who aren't enthused about playing the kids are booing them from our seats or homes while we watch the games?

First of all, is that what I said ... that people are "booing them from the stands"? Did I even infer that? Please don't exaggerate my comments or twist them to make absurd comments out of them ... that's where good discussion ends, not begins. Secondly, did I put you in that category? I said "some here", and if you'll take a moment to read some of the other threads, you'll see that there are those who feel that giving the bench extra playing time serves "no purpose" ... does that sound at all like they're supporting them?!? I don't know what you're confused about, but I was very clear with my statements ... perhaps misinterpreting them is where the confusion lies.

So who were you talking about? What did you mean by it? If you're not going to identify whom your talking about expect in and indefinite manner of "some" don't get upset when others have to fill in the blanks. Frankly I don't think there is a lot that will be gained by limited minutes dictated by injury to the our 13th, 14th, and 15th men on the roster. I am "some".

You said:

I agree, Drucci, (TP) but there are many here who feel that giving extra experience to the "bench-warmers" is a waste of time, (see "Injuries ... Blessing In Disguise?) ... kinda sad, because the fact is that they are going to get extra time due to injuries whether people like it or not, and the very least they should get is support from the fans, (a consideration we would all hope for ourselves, in the same situation), since they certainly get it from the other players and the coaches. Well said, D.

How is discussing the future potential and value of Bill Walker, Lester Hudson, and J.R. Giddens, and taking a negative outlook, not supporting them? Are we not to discuss the team critically?

Unless "some here" are booing them at the games or rooting for their failure I fail to see how they're not supporting them. I haven't seen anyone do that, feel free to point out any who have.

I'm not twisting your statements at all you rail against "some here" for not "supporting" particular players. Just because people don't view J.R. as the next Andre Igudola, Bill Walker as the next Paul Pierce, and Lester Hudson as the next Darrell Armstrong doesn't mean we don't support the team. You don't have to have a positive outlook to support your team.

I knew the Celtics weren't going to win a championship without KG. I knew BBD wasn't going to cut it as a replacement. I still went crazy in the playoffs like I always do. Support does not equal rose colored glasses on a discussion board.

"Rail" against? Huh?!? You claimed I was saying people here are "booing" these players from the stands, your words, not MINE ... if that's not an exaggeration or misinterpretation, then I don't know what IS. If you want to comment on what I SAID, fine, but don't put words in my mouth. I didn't state who said unsupportive things about the bench out of courtesy ... I don't see that as a bad thing, but you may. But since you're quoting me from other threads, I think it can be assumed that you know what I'm talking about, and that it wasn't YOU ... so please don't feign surprise or confusion. If you HAVE read it, then you know what was said there is not remotely supportive of our bench or them getting extra playing time, so I have to conclude that you're in this discussion for other reasons. Fact is, extra experience and time on the court is always good, no matter who gets it, and an argument to the contrary just holds no water ... unless it's just for argument's sake.

well to be honest extra playing time never help players like Gerald Green
Only frustrate him even more

[Bahku]

and the very least  they should get is support from the fans,

What? I'm confused, do you think those of us who aren't enthused about playing the kids are booing them from our seats or homes while we watch the games?

First of all, is that what I said ... that people are "booing them from the stands"? Did I even infer that? Please don't exaggerate my comments or twist them to make absurd comments out of them ... that's where good discussion ends, not begins. Secondly, did I put you in that category? I said "some here", and if you'll take a moment to read some of the other threads, you'll see that there are those who feel that giving the bench extra playing time serves "no purpose" ... does that sound at all like they're supporting them?!? I don't know what you're confused about, but I was very clear with my statements ... perhaps misinterpreting them is where the confusion lies.

So who were you talking about? What did you mean by it? If you're not going to identify whom your talking about expect in and indefinite manner of "some" don't get upset when others have to fill in the blanks. Frankly I don't think there is a lot that will be gained by limited minutes dictated by injury to the our 13th, 14th, and 15th men on the roster. I am "some".

You said:

I agree, Drucci, (TP) but there are many here who feel that giving extra experience to the "bench-warmers" is a waste of time, (see "Injuries ... Blessing In Disguise?) ... kinda sad, because the fact is that they are going to get extra time due to injuries whether people like it or not, and the very least they should get is support from the fans, (a consideration we would all hope for ourselves, in the same situation), since they certainly get it from the other players and the coaches. Well said, D.

How is discussing the future potential and value of Bill Walker, Lester Hudson, and J.R. Giddens, and taking a negative outlook, not supporting them? Are we not to discuss the team critically?

Unless "some here" are booing them at the games or rooting for their failure I fail to see how they're not supporting them. I haven't seen anyone do that, feel free to point out any who have.

I'm not twisting your statements at all you rail against "some here" for not "supporting" particular players. Just because people don't view J.R. as the next Andre Igudola, Bill Walker as the next Paul Pierce, and Lester Hudson as the next Darrell Armstrong doesn't mean we don't support the team. You don't have to have a positive outlook to support your team.

I knew the Celtics weren't going to win a championship without KG. I knew BBD wasn't going to cut it as a replacement. I still went crazy in the playoffs like I always do. Support does not equal rose colored glasses on a discussion board.

"Rail" against? Huh?!? You claimed I was saying people here are "booing" these players from the stands, your words, not MINE ... if that's not an exaggeration or misinterpretation, then I don't know what IS. If you want to comment on what I SAID, fine, but don't put words in my mouth. I didn't state who said unsupportive things about the bench out of courtesy ... I don't see that as a bad thing, but you may. But since you're quoting me from other threads, I think it can be assumed that you know what I'm talking about, and that it wasn't YOU ... so please don't feign surprise or confusion. If you HAVE read it, then you know what was said there is not remotely supportive of our bench or them getting extra playing time, so I have to conclude that you're in this discussion for other reasons. Fact is, extra experience and time on the court is always good, no matter who gets it, and an argument to the contrary just holds no water ... unless it's just for argument's sake.

well to be honest extra playing time never help players like Gerald Green
Only frustrate him even more

Yup ... absolutely, extra playing time and experience is a bad thing for athletes. (Somebody needs to tell Doc - all this time and money being wasted on practice sessions).

[Bahku]

and the very least  they should get is support from the fans,

What? I'm confused, do you think those of us who aren't enthused about playing the kids are booing them from our seats or homes while we watch the games?

First of all, is that what I said ... that people are "booing them from the stands"? Did I even infer that? Please don't exaggerate my comments or twist them to make absurd comments out of them ... that's where good discussion ends, not begins. Secondly, did I put you in that category? I said "some here", and if you'll take a moment to read some of the other threads, you'll see that there are those who feel that giving the bench extra playing time serves "no purpose" ... does that sound at all like they're supporting them?!? I don't know what you're confused about, but I was very clear with my statements ... perhaps misinterpreting them is where the confusion lies.

Well obviously you are talking about me.

And since when is calling in my allegiance to those players or the team have anything to do with the fact that I don't agree that giving said players playing time is beneficial to the team. I would appreciate it if you don't call into question my allegiance to this team as it is against the rules of this site.

For a person who's supposed to be all about positivity and community these passive aggressive attacks seem against what you supposedly stand for.

WHAT??? Calling your allegiance to the team into question?!? YOU said that extra playing time and experience serves no purpose, not ME ... I NEVER said ANYTHING about your allegiance to this team! Do NOT quote rules to me or twist my words to fit your purpose ... I take EXTREME exception to that, OK? ALL I said was that saying these guys should get no extra time is NOT supportive ... and it's NOT. You have said worse about them, your words:

May I ask what you think they're actual worth is? personally, I hope they don't show their actual worth but show something a whole lot more because I really don't think they are worth all that much. They are basic 13th-15th players on the end of an NBA bench with some NBA skills but probably a very short NBA career, like 2-4 years tops.

That's supportive? PLEASE do NOT make accusations about me breaking rules or inventing negativity to suit my purpose, and do NOT infer I'm making "passive aggressive attacks"  that is slanderous and beyond the "rules" that you seem to be touting. Give me a break.

[vinnie]

Extra playing time for guys who don't cut it is simply extra playing time for guys who don't cut it. These guys, except maybe for Hudson, will be nowhere to be found when the playoffs come around.

[Bahku]

Extra playing time for guys who don't cut it is simply extra playing time for guys who don't cut it. These guys, except maybe for Hudson, will be nowhere to be found when the playoffs come around.

I hope you're right, I really do ... unfortunately, NO ONE has a crystal ball, and no one can guarantee that we won't need these guys later on. That's the reality, whether we like it or not.