Hudson can play (or not... Hudson waived)

[Chief]

Can Lester still play for the Red Claws, if they wanted him?

[Chris]

Can Lester still play for the Red Claws, if they wanted him?

Absolutely.  And I have a feeling that if he clears waivers, and no NBA team comes knocking down his door (which I don't see happening right now), it will probably be the best option for him.  He can continue to work on the C's system, and stay in touch with Ainge, who I think is still relatively high on him. 

[slamtheking]

I hope they keep him on 10 day contract type deals because he will come to haunt us in the future.

I really don't understand how he scares you but eddie house doesn't frighten you manning the pg position. Its utter favoritism at its best with doc.

He stated in the beginning of the year that hudson was great etc. That he needed time off to the nbdl but he should be back soon. And after barely playing him he states such a dumb post game response in beyond me imo

Some of our young rookies over the years may have not come through just cause they don't have the abilities to be nba players but another big factor has to do with how the coaches prepare them, teaches them and guides them to be a player.

Its really a hit or miss with doc

This decision is mostly on Ainge, I'd guess.

Anyway, can you point out a few examples of youngsters who didn't succeed under Doc and went on to flourish with a different coach? Thanks.

This is from another thread, but the idea that Doc won't play rookies is absurd:

To further illustrate Atzar's and my point:

Orlando 1999-2000: Chucky Atkins and Corey Maggete both rookies played 19.8 17.8 MPG respectively.

Orlando 2000-2001: Mike Miller a rookie plays 29.1 MPG

Orlando 2001-2002: Jeryl Sasser and Steven Hunter are rookies but don't really play

Orlando 2002-2003: Gordan Giricek (European player)and Drew Gooden were rookies and played. Pat Burke and Ryan Humphrey did not.

Orlando 2003-2004: Fired after 11 games.

Boston 2004-2005: Tony Allen and Al Jefferson both played

Boston 2005-2006: Gomes and Green both played, though not a ton still a lot more than Walker/Giddens

Boston 2006-2007: Powe and Rondo played

Boston 2007-2008: Glen Davis played

Boston 2008-2009: Bill Walker and J.R. Giddens did not play

Boston 2009-2010: Lester Hudson did not play

Doc plays roookies plenty, when they don't suck.

during his time with the C's, he doesn't play youth unless forced to.  mentioning who got playing time and who didn't isn't relevant unless you look at who those players had ahead of them on the depth chart and if those players were available to play.  Every young player that got playing time did so only because those in front of them were unavailable for Doc to play.  The exception is BBD who had NO ONE ahead of him on the depth chart except Leon.  To further illustrate the point, once PJ was added, BBD rode the bench despite showing he had some skills.

[nickagneta]

I hope they keep him on 10 day contract type deals because he will come to haunt us in the future.

I really don't understand how he scares you but eddie house doesn't frighten you manning the pg position. Its utter favoritism at its best with doc.

He stated in the beginning of the year that hudson was great etc. That he needed time off to the nbdl but he should be back soon. And after barely playing him he states such a dumb post game response in beyond me imo

Some of our young rookies over the years may have not come through just cause they don't have the abilities to be nba players but another big factor has to do with how the coaches prepare them, teaches them and guides them to be a player.

Its really a hit or miss with doc

This decision is mostly on Ainge, I'd guess.

Anyway, can you point out a few examples of youngsters who didn't succeed under Doc and went on to flourish with a different coach? Thanks.

This is from another thread, but the idea that Doc won't play rookies is absurd:

To further illustrate Atzar's and my point:

Orlando 1999-2000: Chucky Atkins and Corey Maggete both rookies played 19.8 17.8 MPG respectively.

Orlando 2000-2001: Mike Miller a rookie plays 29.1 MPG

Orlando 2001-2002: Jeryl Sasser and Steven Hunter are rookies but don't really play

Orlando 2002-2003: Gordan Giricek (European player)and Drew Gooden were rookies and played. Pat Burke and Ryan Humphrey did not.

Orlando 2003-2004: Fired after 11 games.

Boston 2004-2005: Tony Allen and Al Jefferson both played

Boston 2005-2006: Gomes and Green both played, though not a ton still a lot more than Walker/Giddens

Boston 2006-2007: Powe and Rondo played

Boston 2007-2008: Glen Davis played

Boston 2008-2009: Bill Walker and J.R. Giddens did not play

Boston 2009-2010: Lester Hudson did not play

Doc plays roookies plenty, when they don't suck.

during his time with the C's, he doesn't play youth unless forced to.  mentioning who got playing time and who didn't isn't relevant unless you look at who those players had ahead of them on the depth chart and if those players were available to play.  Every young player that got playing time did so only because those in front of them were unavailable for Doc to play.  The exception is BBD who had NO ONE ahead of him on the depth chart except Leon.  To further illustrate the point, once PJ was added, BBD rode the bench despite showing he had some skills.

This has become complete urban legend here at Celticsblog.

[ScoobyDoo]

Well, I am one who definately thinks Lester can plya in the NBA. I think he can defend and score at this level for sure, no problem. If he worked very, very hard on his ball handling ability for the next year, I think he will be a very good back up point in this league. I like the kid, hoep he does well.

I'm agree with most, basically three pretty simple options/reasons:

1. Tyrone Lue will be activated ( maybe they like hwat they've seen in practices
2. A trade is looming ( maybe one that brings in a back up small forward for Pierce and a back up point?
3. Just clearing a roster spot to add another player

I can't see this being doen without some other point coming in. If Ronod gets hurt we're looking at EHouse and the oft injured TAllen...that's really not optimal behind Rondo if we intend to compete for the ring.

I'll be rooting for Lester and do hope they bring him to the D-league and keep him in the fold if he clears waivers. He was like my adopted Leon. A mini-me of Leon. Just wanted to pull for the guy.

Question: If he clears waivers and we bring him the the Red Claws, would we kind of have first dibs on him in the off season? In case he made that leap in his game?

[Chris]

The exception is BBD who had NO ONE ahead of him on the depth chart except Leon.  To further illustrate the point, once PJ was added, BBD rode the bench despite showing he had some skills.

Except Davis actually was ahead of Powe on the depth chart for stretches during that season.  And the reason PJ played ahead of BBD is because he was a significantly better player at that point in his career.  Davis wasn't being benched because he was a rookie, he was being benched because PJ gave the team a better chance to win in the playoffs.

Ultimately, I have yet to see an example where Doc was not right for not playing a player.

For Ryan Gomes, he got an opportunity to play early in the season, was absolutely horrid (I don't care what the numbers show, he was a deer in headlights).  I never blame a coach for benching a player for not taking advantage of an opportunity given to them that early in their career.

For Leon Powe, he had no clue where he was supposed to be on offense or defense for the first year and a half he was here.  Even late in the year in his second season when he started to see time, he was still all over the place defensively, but he was lightyears ahead of where he was earlier in the season.

Perk was a foul machine, and hurt the team more than he helped for years.

Gabe Pruitt was a classic deer in headlights who was way too hesitant to be effective at all. 

Should I continue?

[nickagneta]

The exception is BBD who had NO ONE ahead of him on the depth chart except Leon.  To further illustrate the point, once PJ was added, BBD rode the bench despite showing he had some skills.

Except Davis actually was ahead of Powe on the depth chart for stretches during that season.  And the reason PJ played ahead of BBD is because he was a significantly better player at that point in his career.  Davis wasn't being benched because he was a rookie, he was being benched because PJ gave the team a better chance to win in the playoffs.

Ultimately, I have yet to see an example where Doc was not right for not playing a player.

For Ryan Gomes, he got an opportunity to play early in the season, was absolutely horrid (I don't care what the numbers show, he was a deer in headlights).  I never blame a coach for benching a player for not taking advantage of an opportunity given to them that early in their career.

For Leon Powe, he had no clue where he was supposed to be on offense or defense for the first year and a half he was here.  Even late in the year in his second season when he started to see time, he was still all over the place defensively, but he was lightyears ahead of where he was earlier in the season.

Perk was a foul machine, and hurt the team more than he helped for years.

Gabe Pruitt was a classic deer in headlights who was way too hesitant to be effective at all. 

Should I continue?

As I said and you prove, the Doc only uses rookies because someone got hurt theory is complete urban legend and completely false. TP for saving me the time to not have to write all this.

[slamtheking]

The exception is BBD who had NO ONE ahead of him on the depth chart except Leon.  To further illustrate the point, once PJ was added, BBD rode the bench despite showing he had some skills.

Except Davis actually was ahead of Powe on the depth chart for stretches during that season.  And the reason PJ played ahead of BBD is because he was a significantly better player at that point in his career.  Davis wasn't being benched because he was a rookie, he was being benched because PJ gave the team a better chance to win in the playoffs.

Ultimately, I have yet to see an example where Doc was not right for not playing a player.

For Ryan Gomes, he got an opportunity to play early in the season, was absolutely horrid (I don't care what the numbers show, he was a deer in headlights).  I never blame a coach for benching a player for not taking advantage of an opportunity given to them that early in their career.

For Leon Powe, he had no clue where he was supposed to be on offense or defense for the first year and a half he was here.  Even late in the year in his second season when he started to see time, he was still all over the place defensively, but he was lightyears ahead of where he was earlier in the season.

Perk was a foul machine, and hurt the team more than he helped for years.

Gabe Pruitt was a classic deer in headlights who was way too hesitant to be effective at all. 

Should I continue?

As I said and you prove, the Doc only uses rookies because someone got hurt theory is complete urban legend and completely false. TP for saving me the time to not have to write all this.

Obviously a bone of contention where neither side will agree with the other which is just fine with me.  You're entitled to your opinions as am I.

In terms of the original topic, I had hopes for Hudson.  Looked like he could develop into something in time.  Wish him all the best as he tries to find another place in the league.

[Fafnir]

The exception is BBD who had NO ONE ahead of him on the depth chart except Leon.  To further illustrate the point, once PJ was added, BBD rode the bench despite showing he had some skills.

Except Davis actually was ahead of Powe on the depth chart for stretches during that season.  And the reason PJ played ahead of BBD is because he was a significantly better player at that point in his career.  Davis wasn't being benched because he was a rookie, he was being benched because PJ gave the team a better chance to win in the playoffs.

Ultimately, I have yet to see an example where Doc was not right for not playing a player.

For Ryan Gomes, he got an opportunity to play early in the season, was absolutely horrid (I don't care what the numbers show, he was a deer in headlights).  I never blame a coach for benching a player for not taking advantage of an opportunity given to them that early in their career.

For Leon Powe, he had no clue where he was supposed to be on offense or defense for the first year and a half he was here.  Even late in the year in his second season when he started to see time, he was still all over the place defensively, but he was lightyears ahead of where he was earlier in the season.

Perk was a foul machine, and hurt the team more than he helped for years.

Gabe Pruitt was a classic deer in headlights who was way too hesitant to be effective at all. 

Should I continue?

As I said and you prove, the Doc only uses rookies because someone got hurt theory is complete urban legend and completely false. TP for saving me the time to not have to write all this.

Obviously a bone of contention where neither side will agree with the other which is just fine with me.  You're entitled to your opinions as am I.

In terms of the original topic, I had hopes for Hudson.  Looked like he could develop into something in time.  Wish him all the best as he tries to find another place in the league.

Wah? So suddenly all the evidence that Doc has played several rookies over multiple years is just a matter of opinion, okay......

It is your position that Doc was "forced" to play those rookies. Feel free to provide some proof!

[Eja117]

The exception is BBD who had NO ONE ahead of him on the depth chart except Leon.  To further illustrate the point, once PJ was added, BBD rode the bench despite showing he had some skills.

Except Davis actually was ahead of Powe on the depth chart for stretches during that season.  And the reason PJ played ahead of BBD is because he was a significantly better player at that point in his career.  Davis wasn't being benched because he was a rookie, he was being benched because PJ gave the team a better chance to win in the playoffs.

Ultimately, I have yet to see an example where Doc was not right for not playing a player.

For Ryan Gomes, he got an opportunity to play early in the season, was absolutely horrid (I don't care what the numbers show, he was a deer in headlights).  I never blame a coach for benching a player for not taking advantage of an opportunity given to them that early in their career.

For Leon Powe, he had no clue where he was supposed to be on offense or defense for the first year and a half he was here.  Even late in the year in his second season when he started to see time, he was still all over the place defensively, but he was lightyears ahead of where he was earlier in the season.

Perk was a foul machine, and hurt the team more than he helped for years.

Gabe Pruitt was a classic deer in headlights who was way too hesitant to be effective at all. 

Should I continue?

As I said and you prove, the Doc only uses rookies because someone got hurt theory is complete urban legend and completely false. TP for saving me the time to not have to write all this.

Obviously a bone of contention where neither side will agree with the other which is just fine with me.  You're entitled to your opinions as am I.

In terms of the original topic, I had hopes for Hudson.  Looked like he could develop into something in time.  Wish him all the best as he tries to find another place in the league.

I'm not sure I get what you are saying at all. Let's say somehow B Griffin was on the team. And healthy. Are you saying Doc wouldn't play him because he's a rookie? Or he'd only play him if the guy ahead of him got hurt? Who'd be the guy ahead of him? KG? Isn't that how it works? Why else play someone ahead of someone better? Unless you yourself are better in which case then the coach is forced to play you because of how good you are?

I'm just not getting what you are saying here.

[celticsclay]

Stephon Marbury is still available....

[BballTim]

Ultimately, I have yet to see an example where Doc was not right for not playing a player.

  While I agree with your point, I'd go with playing Blount over Perk and (especially) playing Raef over Big Al. I understand what Doc was doing but you can't really argue the best players were playing.

[ManUp]

On to the next one.

[nickagneta]

Ultimately, I have yet to see an example where Doc was not right for not playing a player.

  While I agree with your point, I'd go with playing Blount over Perk and (especially) playing Raef over Big Al. I understand what Doc was doing but you can't really argue the best players were playing.

I can. Blount was a dink but he still was miles ahead of Perk at the time. Raef was a lot of things but at least he understood the defense and tried to play it while playing within the offensive schemes. Big Al was full of potential and great plays but he was absolutely clueless on virtually everything and play without any consistency until his third year.

[BballTim]

Ultimately, I have yet to see an example where Doc was not right for not playing a player.

  While I agree with your point, I'd go with playing Blount over Perk and (especially) playing Raef over Big Al. I understand what Doc was doing but you can't really argue the best players were playing.

I can. Blount was a dink but he still was miles ahead of Perk at the time. Raef was a lot of things but at least he understood the defense and tried to play it while playing within the offensive schemes. Big Al was full of potential and great plays but he was absolutely clueless on virtually everything and play without any consistency until his third year.

  I'll disagree with much of this. Blount was allergic to rebounding by then and wasn't exactly a defensive stud. Perk was, until he was injured, the better player. Raef may have understood the defense but he wasn't really able to accomplish much because of his health. Al was playing pretty consistently when he started to get steady minutes (about 10 games before he was injured).