Joel Pryzbilla Out For The Season? BBD or Sheldon to Por?(Trade Idea)

[Chris]

Portland needs a center, not an undersized PF.  I expect them to go hard after guys like Camby and Gortat.  Unless the C's want to make Perk available, I don't think Portland will be sending their assets this way.

[More Banners]

Portland has worked too hard to build their roster to give away talent due to injuries.  I wouldn't be surpised if, once they realize that they can't get equal value for injured players, they get an injury exception and sign a D-League big guy who can set picks and rebound, and that's it.

And though I think they would appreciate young PF's like BBD and Shelden, they've got Aldridge starting there, and those two don't address their need for a center or wing. 

[James Haley]

I don't feel a trade would help to get a quality player whe have more then enough great players and good role players. I will say this though we need to get younger and clear cap space up at the same time. I like Scal but we could use that 3 mil cap space, ray allen is taking a pay cut next year, Tony Allen and Scal would free up some bench space, maybe trade them and a 1st round pick to move up in the draft for Demarcus Cousins or better.

[James Haley]

The best option for a trade i agree is Perk, with Portlands situation with oden out again, i say trade perk for oden and a 1st round pick. There are some good big man in this upcoming draft.

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Portland needs a center, not an undersized PF.  I expect them to go hard after guys like Camby and Gortat.  Unless the C's want to make Perk available, I don't think Portland will be sending their assets this way.

There's a lot of discussion about how Aldridge plays better at the 5, but that they don't have a capable 4 who can stretch the floor a bit for him. Not saying that's Baby, but a solid 4 could be useful for them.

[Chris]

Portland needs a center, not an undersized PF.  I expect them to go hard after guys like Camby and Gortat.  Unless the C's want to make Perk available, I don't think Portland will be sending their assets this way.

There's a lot of discussion about how Aldridge plays better at the 5, but that they don't have a capable 4 who can stretch the floor a bit for him. Not saying that's Baby, but a solid 4 could be useful for them.

I haven't heard that...and I don't buy it.  Aldridge is an outside-in offensive player, and is not strong enough to bang inside that much on defense.  They need a defensive Center to play next to him.

[Who]

Portland needs a center, not an undersized PF.  I expect them to go hard after guys like Camby and Gortat.  Unless the C's want to make Perk available, I don't think Portland will be sending their assets this way.

There's a lot of discussion about how Aldridge plays better at the 5, but that they don't have a capable 4 who can stretch the floor a bit for him. Not saying that's Baby, but a solid 4 could be useful for them.

I haven't heard that...and I don't buy it.  Aldridge is an outside-in offensive player, and is not strong enough to bang inside that much on defense.  They need a defensive Center to play next to him.

Yep, there's been a fair bit of talk about Aldridge this season since Portland started going to Oden on the block more often. Aldridge hasn't been involved enough offensively, and not as effective as he was in the past, while spending so much time away from the paint. A lot of folks feel that Aldridge is best off being a post player first and then a jump shooter second, rather than vice versa.

Problem with Aldridge is that he isn't very good at creating his own shot once he moves away from the post ... where he's at his best in terms of shot creation. Away from the rim he's reliant on a defense collapsing on Oden in the paint or on dribble penetration from Roy or Miller. He becomes more of a peripheral figure offensively.

I don't think it's about playing the PF or C ... more about what spot on the floor he's allowed take up offensively. He is more effective alongside a non-offensive threat like Przybilla than Oden.

And truthfully, Aldridge needs a top defensive + top rebounding big man alongside him to anchor the defense, he just isn't effective enough defensively to play without that type of presence. It doesn't matter whether the big is a four or a five so long as he has those qualities (easier to get a C with those abilities than a PF). Plus, Aldridge is comparatively a much better defender + rebounder at the four than the five.

Anyway, that's what I've gathered from the talk around Aldridge this season (post vs jump shot offensively) + my own observations on the fellow (better PF than C, but more dependent on other big's skill set than position).

[Who]

I hope the Blazers don't send away any of their long term fixtures in order to fill a short term fix up front.

It makes no sense short changing future seasons where you're going to be a contender in order to win an extra 5 games in a season that is going absolutely nowhere.

Take the pain that's coming and continue to plan for tomorrow when your horses get back on the court. Use the time wisely.

[James Haley]

Good points the problem is since the day Oden was drafted he hasn't been able to stay on the horse he keeps falling off. If the Celts trade Oden for Perk salary matches up and they fix their 5 spot problem, the Celts can afford this trade since Wallace is here and give Oden plenty of time off to heal up and get right. Maybe Danny Ainge could even get a 1st round pick from them. Since they are going to get a mid-late round that woon't fix the problem for them. What do you think.

[Donoghus]

Good points the problem is since the day Oden was drafted he hasn't been able to stay on the horse he keeps falling off. If the Celts trade Oden for Perk salary matches up and they fix their 5 spot problem, the Celts can afford this trade since Wallace is here and give Oden plenty of time off to heal up and get right. Maybe Danny Ainge could even get a 1st round pick from them. Since they are going to get a mid-late round that woon't fix the problem for them. What do you think.

Trade Perk for Oden?  That kills the Celtics right now.  Perk is playing some exceptional basketball while Oden isn't playing any.  Relying on Wallace to play the 5 for extended minutes (which would be the case in this scenario) is an extremely bad idea. 

The Celtics are not in the mode to trade a known commodity (and starter to boot) for an injury prone talent who is useless for the '09-10 season.

[cavman]

Perk or Oden?  What have you been smoking?

One is a productive, improving NBA player. 

Another is paid to rehab from injuries.

I will stick with Perk, he actually plays and plays well.

[Chris]

Portland needs a center, not an undersized PF.  I expect them to go hard after guys like Camby and Gortat.  Unless the C's want to make Perk available, I don't think Portland will be sending their assets this way.

There's a lot of discussion about how Aldridge plays better at the 5, but that they don't have a capable 4 who can stretch the floor a bit for him. Not saying that's Baby, but a solid 4 could be useful for them.

I haven't heard that...and I don't buy it.  Aldridge is an outside-in offensive player, and is not strong enough to bang inside that much on defense.  They need a defensive Center to play next to him.

Yep, there's been a fair bit of talk about Aldridge this season since Portland started going to Oden on the block more often. Aldridge hasn't been involved enough offensively, and not as effective as he was in the past, while spending so much time away from the paint. A lot of folks feel that Aldridge is best off being a post player first and then a jump shooter second, rather than vice versa.

Problem with Aldridge is that he isn't very good at creating his own shot once he moves away from the post ... where he's at his best in terms of shot creation. Away from the rim he's reliant on a defense collapsing on Oden in the paint or on dribble penetration from Roy or Miller. He becomes more of a peripheral figure offensively.

I don't think it's about playing the PF or C ... more about what spot on the floor he's allowed take up offensively. He is more effective alongside a non-offensive threat like Przybilla than Oden.

And truthfully, Aldridge needs a top defensive + top rebounding big man alongside him to anchor the defense, he just isn't effective enough defensively to play without that type of presence. It doesn't matter whether the big is a four or a five so long as he has those qualities (easier to get a C with those abilities than a PF). Plus, Aldridge is comparatively a much better defender + rebounder at the four than the five.

Anyway, that's what I've gathered from the talk around Aldridge this season (post vs jump shot offensively) + my own observations on the fellow (better PF than C, but more dependent on other big's skill set than position).

That makes a lot more sense, and I agree with it.  Any big man as talented offensively as Aldridge is fits best next to a big man that does not need a lot of touches, and allows him to play in the post on offense, at least at times.

[Chris]

I hope the Blazers don't send away any of their long term fixtures in order to fill a short term fix up front.

It makes no sense short changing future seasons where you're going to be a contender in order to win an extra 5 games in a season that is going absolutely nowhere.

Take the pain that's coming and continue to plan for tomorrow when your horses get back on the court. Use the time wisely.

See, I actually think they do need to make a move...but not right now.  I think they are still another elite level player away from being a true contender.  If Oden can be that, then they may be OK, but I find it hard to believe he will ever stay on the floor long enough to even have a shot at that. 

Right now they have a lot of average players, but they could consolidate them into fewer exceptional players.  Unfortunately, with the injuries, now is not the time to do that, because they don't have the depth to fill holes, and they are not in a strong position.

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Good points the problem is since the day Oden was drafted he hasn't been able to stay on the horse he keeps falling off. If the Celts trade Oden for Perk salary matches up and they fix their 5 spot problem, the Celts can afford this trade since Wallace is here and give Oden plenty of time off to heal up and get right. Maybe Danny Ainge could even get a 1st round pick from them. Since they are going to get a mid-late round that woon't fix the problem for them. What do you think.

Trade Perk for Oden?  That kills the Celtics right now.  Perk is playing some exceptional basketball while Oden isn't playing any.  Relying on Wallace to play the 5 for extended minutes (which would be the case in this scenario) is an extremely bad idea. 

The Celtics are not in the mode to trade a known commodity (and starter to boot) for an injury prone talent who is useless for the '09-10 season.

no one is the starting 5 is getting traded this year unless chris paul becomes available.

[CbrewEra]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/63582/20091223/przybilla_out_indefinitely_with_knee_injury/

They are now down to a big man rotation of:
                       
                       Career Averages
Alrdidge                   15.5PPG, 7RPG
Juwan Howard               OLD MAN
Dante Cunningham           2.7PPG, 2RPG
Anthony Toliver            2.5PPG, 2RPG

They are still 18-12 and could make the playoffs if they could get some big man help. The C's could possibly offer them BBD or Sheldon

Bos Sends: BBD ,TA , Giddens, future 1st

Por Sends: Blake, Outlaw or Frenandez

This trade would have to take place in about a month when Outlaw and Fernandez are supposed to return from injuries.

The trade for Blake Outlaw and Fernandez, I'd do it in a msecond.  Blake would be a great backup pg, and Outlaw and Fernandez would also be great role players, maybe with more potential when the Big 3 walk out.  Fernandez could step in at the 2.