Jared Jefferies?

[lowfatalbob]

my apologies if i'm being redundant,

so danny doesn't want andris nocioni because he has 3 years left on his deal and is a spotty defender at best, so how about trading the scal/ta/giddens combo to NYK for Jared Jeffries? 

He's a great defender with some offensive skill, he'd allow the C's to go small with KG or Sheed at the 5, and he's great Marquis insurance should Daniels get anthoer injury. 

He has an option for 7 mill in 2010 so it wouldn't hurt the long term cap space, the only downside to this deal is that it will help NYK get a marquee FA.  Personally even if the knicks get lebron they'll be a 6-8 seed in the playoffs, so while its a risky move, its one I'd probably make...

[indeedproceed]

I think if we traded for Jared Jefferies we'd be making the same mistake Isiah did when he traded for him. Jared Jefferies can fool you...you see him do a little bit of everything once and a while, and he tricks you into thinking he can do a little bit of everything all the time. He can't. The best thing he would bring to our team is a logical end to the "Hustle" chant. As follows:

"H-U-S....T-L-E....H-U-S, T-L-E, HUSTLE HUSTLE, JEFF-ER-IES!"

[Mencius]

They are desperate to shed either his or Curry's salary so they can offer two max contracts this summer.  We'd be doing them a huge favor by taking Jefferies.  They'd have to add a significant sweetener.  Getting a first out of it too would probably be worth our while.  I don't think much of Jefferies play.

I'd rather get real help to maximize this year's chance for a championship than acquire assets for future improvement.  If they attached him to Duhon, then maybe, but we'd have to gut the end of our bench, which could be no big deal since they don't play anyway, but they do know the system.  Scal, TA, *and* House (and end of bench youngins) would have to be included to make it work.  Don't know if just adding Duhon (and Jefferies salary) is worth that.  Duhon, Jefferies *and* a first from them would be tempting though for our poopoo platter.

[Chris]

To say that Nocioni is a spotty defender at best, and that Jeffries is both a great defender, and has some offensive skill...well, let's just say I am not on the same page with you.

Jeffries is a pretty terrible basketball player.  He is a horrendous perimeter player on offense, and has no low post game either.  Basically, his only offensive skill is being really long, so he can finish wide-open layups.  And defensively, while he does some things well, he is by no means a great defender.  He has made a lot of money off of one playoff series where he played pretty good defense. Now, he is someone I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole, unless we were getting a major asset in return.

[liam]

To say that Nocioni is a spotty defender at best, and that Jeffries is both a great defender, and has some offensive skill...well, let's just say I am not on the same page with you.

Jeffries is a pretty terrible basketball player.  He is a horrendous perimeter player on offense, and has no low post game either.  Basically, his only offensive skill is being really long, so he can finish wide-open layups.  And defensively, while he does some things well, he is by no means a great defender.  He has made a lot of money off of one playoff series where he played pretty good defense. Now, he is someone I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole, unless we were getting a major asset in return.

Agreed. Nocioni has a skill set and contract that is too big, all Jeffries has is a big contract.

[lowfatalbob]

To say that Nocioni is a spotty defender at best, and that Jeffries is both a great defender, and has some offensive skill...well, let's just say I am not on the same page with you.

Jeffries is a pretty terrible basketball player.  He is a horrendous perimeter player on offense, and has no low post game either.  Basically, his only offensive skill is being really long, so he can finish wide-open layups.  And defensively, while he does some things well, he is by no means a great defender.  He has made a lot of money off of one playoff series where he played pretty good defense. Now, he is someone I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole, unless we were getting a major asset in return.

Nocioni is a flopper, he's not terrible, but he's not as good as Jefferies is defensively.  I agree he's overpaid and was a terrible signing by the knicks, but his play this year has resulted in the knicks recent winning steak(s).  THe knicks lost to charlotte a few nights ago because he fouled out, the dude was flirting with a 5/5/5/5/5 night.  He'd be an immediate upgrade over the guys we're giving up because his length allows him to cover guys like Lebron, Odom, and Rashard Lewis.


I'll back off my previous statement of his proported offensive skill, but his abilty to guard long 3's and 4's is greatly needed on this team with Daniels being injured(and being injury prone).  Since Danny doesn't want to clog up cap space long term with Nocioni's contract, one year of jefferies might be a wise move.

[Donoghus]

To say that Nocioni is a spotty defender at best, and that Jeffries is both a great defender, and has some offensive skill...well, let's just say I am not on the same page with you.

Jeffries is a pretty terrible basketball player.  He is a horrendous perimeter player on offense, and has no low post game either.  Basically, his only offensive skill is being really long, so he can finish wide-open layups.  And defensively, while he does some things well, he is by no means a great defender.  He has made a lot of money off of one playoff series where he played pretty good defense. Now, he is someone I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole, unless we were getting a major asset in return.

I agree.

I can't stand Jared Jefferies "game" nor his contract.

[PosImpos]

I'm still waiting for this forum to be renamed the "comedy" forum.  I don't know about anybody else, but I found this pretty funny.

[Chris]

To say that Nocioni is a spotty defender at best, and that Jeffries is both a great defender, and has some offensive skill...well, let's just say I am not on the same page with you.

Jeffries is a pretty terrible basketball player.  He is a horrendous perimeter player on offense, and has no low post game either.  Basically, his only offensive skill is being really long, so he can finish wide-open layups.  And defensively, while he does some things well, he is by no means a great defender.  He has made a lot of money off of one playoff series where he played pretty good defense. Now, he is someone I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole, unless we were getting a major asset in return.

Nocioni is a flopper, he's not terrible, but he's not as good as Jefferies is defensively.  I agree he's overpaid and was a terrible signing by the knicks, but his play this year has resulted in the knicks recent winning steak(s).  THe knicks lost to charlotte a few nights ago because he fouled out, the dude was flirting with a 5/5/5/5/5 night.  He'd be an immediate upgrade over the guys we're giving up because his length allows him to cover guys like Lebron, Odom, and Rashard Lewis.


I'll back off my previous statement of his proported offensive skill, but his abilty to guard long 3's and 4's is greatly needed on this team with Daniels being injured(and being injury prone).  Since Danny doesn't want to clog up cap space long term with Nocioni's contract, one year of jefferies might be a wise move.

You're right that Jeffries is a slightly better defender than Nocioni, but Nocioni is a SIGNIFICANTLY better offensive, and overall player. 

And I think it is important to note that the an extra $7 million on the books next year could be huge, because they are going to have to resign Allen and House, and replace Daniels, Williams, Tony Allen and Giddens.  That $7 million on the books could prevent them from using their entire MLE and giving paying what it takes to keep Allen and House.

[ssspence]

I've said this a number of times here before: the Knicks are utterly desparate to trade Jeffries. So every team they call asks for Gallinari in exchange for taking him, and the Knicks hang up.

Call Donnie Walsh in late January and test his resolve. Short of giving up this kid, it will be absolutely impossible to trade either Jeffries or Curry before next year.

[Change]

Knickerbocker fans in the house.

[lowfatalbob]

To say that Nocioni is a spotty defender at best, and that Jeffries is both a great defender, and has some offensive skill...well, let's just say I am not on the same page with you.

Jeffries is a pretty terrible basketball player.  He is a horrendous perimeter player on offense, and has no low post game either.  Basically, his only offensive skill is being really long, so he can finish wide-open layups.  And defensively, while he does some things well, he is by no means a great defender.  He has made a lot of money off of one playoff series where he played pretty good defense. Now, he is someone I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole, unless we were getting a major asset in return.

Nocioni is a flopper, he's not terrible, but he's not as good as Jefferies is defensively.  I agree he's overpaid and was a terrible signing by the knicks, but his play this year has resulted in the knicks recent winning steak(s).  THe knicks lost to charlotte a few nights ago because he fouled out, the dude was flirting with a 5/5/5/5/5 night.  He'd be an immediate upgrade over the guys we're giving up because his length allows him to cover guys like Lebron, Odom, and Rashard Lewis.


I'll back off my previous statement of his proported offensive skill, but his abilty to guard long 3's and 4's is greatly needed on this team with Daniels being injured(and being injury prone).  Since Danny doesn't want to clog up cap space long term with Nocioni's contract, one year of jefferies might be a wise move.

You're right that Jeffries is a slightly better defender than Nocioni, but Nocioni is a SIGNIFICANTLY better offensive, and overall player. 

And I think it is important to note that the an extra $7 million on the books next year could be huge, because they are going to have to resign Allen and House, and replace Daniels, Williams, Tony Allen and Giddens.  That $7 million on the books could prevent them from using their entire MLE and giving paying what it takes to keep Allen and House.

The C's will have to find a way to sign pierce to an extension so they can cut down his projected salary number, ray will be lucky to make half of what he's making right now and I believe we'll have eddie's bird rights this year. 

That's why I'm suggesting Jefferies instead of Nocioni, with Rondo's extentsion kicking in next year, and with Perk's deal expiring, there's no way the c's will take on nocioni because he has 3 years left on his deal with Pierce, Perkins and Allen looking for extensions. 

We disagree on Jefferies defensive abilties, but we're also assuming that Marquis Daniels will stay healthy for the rest of the year, which isn't very reliable based on his history.  For one year, I think the c's can stomach the additional salary.  I also agree with previous posters that the c's should get more from the knicks because of the additional cap space.

[lowfatalbob]

Knickerbocker fans in the house.

i've never been more offended in my life!

i'm looking for a plausible upgrade for the rotation, using the scal/ta/giddens contracts.  I look forward to the knicks sucking next year WITH LeBron thank you very much!

[Chris]

To say that Nocioni is a spotty defender at best, and that Jeffries is both a great defender, and has some offensive skill...well, let's just say I am not on the same page with you.

Jeffries is a pretty terrible basketball player.  He is a horrendous perimeter player on offense, and has no low post game either.  Basically, his only offensive skill is being really long, so he can finish wide-open layups.  And defensively, while he does some things well, he is by no means a great defender.  He has made a lot of money off of one playoff series where he played pretty good defense. Now, he is someone I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole, unless we were getting a major asset in return.

Nocioni is a flopper, he's not terrible, but he's not as good as Jefferies is defensively.  I agree he's overpaid and was a terrible signing by the knicks, but his play this year has resulted in the knicks recent winning steak(s).  THe knicks lost to charlotte a few nights ago because he fouled out, the dude was flirting with a 5/5/5/5/5 night.  He'd be an immediate upgrade over the guys we're giving up because his length allows him to cover guys like Lebron, Odom, and Rashard Lewis.


I'll back off my previous statement of his proported offensive skill, but his abilty to guard long 3's and 4's is greatly needed on this team with Daniels being injured(and being injury prone).  Since Danny doesn't want to clog up cap space long term with Nocioni's contract, one year of jefferies might be a wise move.

You're right that Jeffries is a slightly better defender than Nocioni, but Nocioni is a SIGNIFICANTLY better offensive, and overall player. 

And I think it is important to note that the an extra $7 million on the books next year could be huge, because they are going to have to resign Allen and House, and replace Daniels, Williams, Tony Allen and Giddens.  That $7 million on the books could prevent them from using their entire MLE and giving paying what it takes to keep Allen and House.

The C's will have to find a way to sign pierce to an extension so they can cut down his projected salary number, ray will be lucky to make half of what he's making right now and I believe we'll have eddie's bird rights this year. 

That's why I'm suggesting Jefferies instead of Nocioni, with Rondo's extentsion kicking in next year, and with Perk's deal expiring, there's no way the c's will take on nocioni because he has 3 years left on his deal with Pierce, Perkins and Allen looking for extensions. 

We disagree on Jefferies defensive abilties, but we're also assuming that Marquis Daniels will stay healthy for the rest of the year, which isn't very reliable based on his history.  For one year, I think the c's can stomach the additional salary.  I also agree with previous posters that the c's should get more from the knicks because of the additional cap space.

Well, let me be clear that I am not saying the C's should go after Nocioni either.  I think both of them will not be considered by the C's, unless injuries force their hand (which is not happening right now).

But if it came down between the two of them, I feel confident the C's would rather have the extra year of the significantly better player, than to pay for Jeffries, who is not good enough to be in the rotation in Boston.

[Who]

He's a great defender with some offensive skill

I'd consider Jeffries a solid defender + solid passer + very poor rebounder (for a big) + very poor scorer. I think he's most effective in that high post power forward type role. His rebounding becomes a strength as a wing but his defense drops some and offense becomes a horrendous weakness.

Jared Jeffries is a Scalabrine type player -- only with less defense, better rebounding, and a worse jump shot.

Jeffries has a terrible contract. I'd only consider taking it off of NY's hands if a considerable incentive was thrown in from the Knicks.