Marquis had surgery on his thumb this morning - Update : out 6 to 8 weeks...

[Tough Juice]

J.R. will get it done

[EJPLAYA]

TA is not the answer, but neither is JR. This one is easy. Ray and PP are going to have to split those minutes until Daniels comes back. TA and JR can get a couple minutes here and there if we are playing a scrub team or we are way up. If not Ray and Paul will get 6-7 minutes more per game than we want. Scal can also absorb a few of those minutes at the 3 in the same "easy game" scenario.

[pearljammer10]

I tried to tel you guys in the preseason that he was injury prone. Here it is again. Now what if Rondo gets hurt for a small stint of time? Who plays pg on this team then? I still would have preferred a standard backup pg who can play the position well. The only reason we win so much is because of Rajon Rondo. As he goes, so goes the team. Thge entire club just humps and pumps according to Rondo's game. Without him we are an automobile without it's engine, without it's transmission, without a driver. Marquis Daniels, Marquis Daniels. Who we really need is a decent backup pg. Ty Lue ?

I wouldnt exactly call tearing a thumb ligament injury prone... A nagging ankle or knee problems yes... But a torn thumb ligament from a jam is just a freak thing.

But now all of a sudden because you "told us so" we are in trouble? What if Rondo got hurt instead of Marquis? Would you still be telling us so that we should have signed a different back up point guard? What if Ray Allen torn something? Its all what if's. And to say I told you so is just ridiculous.

And since when is Ty Lue a decent back up point guard? Yikes.

[Chris]

I tried to tel you guys in the preseason that he was injury prone. Here it is again. Now what if Rondo gets hurt for a small stint of time? Who plays pg on this team then? I still would have preferred a standard backup pg who can play the position well. The only reason we win so much is because of Rajon Rondo. As he goes, so goes the team. Thge entire club just humps and pumps according to Rondo's game. Without him we are an automobile without it's engine, without it's transmission, without a driver. Marquis Daniels, Marquis Daniels. Who we really need is a decent backup pg. Ty Lue ?

I wouldnt exactly call tearing a thumb ligament injury prone... A nagging ankle or knee problems yes... But a torn thumb ligament from a jam is just a freak thing.

But now all of a sudden because you "told us so" we are in trouble? What if Rondo got hurt instead of Marquis? Would you still be telling us so that we should have signed a different back up point guard? What if Ray Allen torn something? Its all what if's. And to say I told you so is just ridiculous.

And since when is Ty Lue a decent back up point guard? Yikes.

Well, I would consider anyone who consistently misses time with injuries as injury prone.  It does not have to be one chronic injury, but if they get hurt every year, then they are injury prone. 

So Tony Allen is injury prone, just like Al Jefferson, Greg Oden, and Marquis Daniels.

[Change]

The worst case scenario. Doc needs to forget about Tony. He's worthless. Maybe give some minutes to Bill or JR, make them compete for those minutes. Bill Walker is the best shooter of the group. I hope Doc doesn't do what he did last season. Don't overplay our big3

[Greenbean]

I tried to tel you guys in the preseason that he was injury prone. Here it is again. Now what if Rondo gets hurt for a small stint of time? Who plays pg on this team then? I still would have preferred a standard backup pg who can play the position well. The only reason we win so much is because of Rajon Rondo. As he goes, so goes the team. Thge entire club just humps and pumps according to Rondo's game. Without him we are an automobile without it's engine, without it's transmission, without a driver. Marquis Daniels, Marquis Daniels. Who we really need is a decent backup pg. Ty Lue ?

I wouldnt exactly call tearing a thumb ligament injury prone... A nagging ankle or knee problems yes... But a torn thumb ligament from a jam is just a freak thing.

But now all of a sudden because you "told us so" we are in trouble? What if Rondo got hurt instead of Marquis? Would you still be telling us so that we should have signed a different back up point guard? What if Ray Allen torn something? Its all what if's. And to say I told you so is just ridiculous.

And since when is Ty Lue a decent back up point guard? Yikes.

TP! I just posted the exact same thing in resopnse to this earlier in the thread. Since I am assuming you didnt see my post, I 100% agree.

[Chris]

The worst case scenario. Doc needs to forget about Tony. He's worthless. Maybe give some minutes to Bill or JR, make them compete for those minutes. Bill Walker is the best shooter of the group. I hope Doc doesn't do what he did last season. Don't overplay our big3

While I don't completely disagree with the premise, I actually think Walker is the worst shooter of the group (at least he was last year). 

[Greenbean]

I tried to tel you guys in the preseason that he was injury prone. Here it is again. Now what if Rondo gets hurt for a small stint of time? Who plays pg on this team then? I still would have preferred a standard backup pg who can play the position well. The only reason we win so much is because of Rajon Rondo. As he goes, so goes the team. Thge entire club just humps and pumps according to Rondo's game. Without him we are an automobile without it's engine, without it's transmission, without a driver. Marquis Daniels, Marquis Daniels. Who we really need is a decent backup pg. Ty Lue ?

I wouldnt exactly call tearing a thumb ligament injury prone... A nagging ankle or knee problems yes... But a torn thumb ligament from a jam is just a freak thing.

But now all of a sudden because you "told us so" we are in trouble? What if Rondo got hurt instead of Marquis? Would you still be telling us so that we should have signed a different back up point guard? What if Ray Allen torn something? Its all what if's. And to say I told you so is just ridiculous.

And since when is Ty Lue a decent back up point guard? Yikes.

Well, I would consider anyone who consistently misses time with injuries as injury prone.  It does not have to be one chronic injury, but if they get hurt every year, then they are injury prone. 

So Tony Allen is injury prone, just like Al Jefferson, Greg Oden, and Marquis Daniels.

Fair enough. It's just the tone of the post that I don't get. It's like he was waiting for any Daniels injury to say, "I told ya he'd ghet hurt. Now what do we do if Rondo goes down too?" It's just a sad way to root for a team.

[Greenbean]

The worst case scenario. Doc needs to forget about Tony. He's worthless. Maybe give some minutes to Bill or JR, make them compete for those minutes. Bill Walker is the best shooter of the group. I hope Doc doesn't do what he did last season. Don't overplay our big3

While I don't completely disagree with the premise, I actually think Walker is the worst shooter of the group (at least he was last year). 

Has anyone seen Walker's D-League games this year? I haven't so Im curious. If there is one aspect of your game that should transfer from D to NBA is shooting. I can only see from his stats that he is hitting threes (3-9) but he could miss his next 10 attempts. Only good way to guage shooting is to see if he looks confident with the shot.

Sadly Walker has the potential to be the most effective out of the three, and I dont have his ceiling very higher either. Hope he ore at least one of them can prove people wrong. Not holding my breath though.

[Prof. Clutch]

Nothing like a little bad news to wake you up in the morning!  Haha.

Well, it seems a trade is necessary now, but I'm convinced Danny will go with the Tony Allen/Scalabrine combo instead.

[xmuscularghandix]

TA is not the answer, but neither is JR. This one is easy. Ray and PP are going to have to split those minutes until Daniels comes back. TA and JR can get a couple minutes here and there if we are playing a scrub team or we are way up. If not Ray and Paul will get 6-7 minutes more per game than we want. Scal can also absorb a few of those minutes at the 3 in the same "easy game" scenario.

I think Rondo is the answer more than anything. Either PP or Ray is already out there at almost ALL times.

My sub patterns would look something like this...

Starting:
Rondo
Ray
PP

First Subs:
House
Ray
PP

Start of 2nd:
Rondo
House
TA (although I'd rather Walker)

End of 1st Half:
Rondo
Ray
PP

Rondo helps make every unit run smoother. I think more of him is the answer.

[Evantime34]

Some have mentioned that we need to play Rondo, Pierce or Ray more. This is absolutely unequivocally not the answer. The goal of this team is a championship and to do this we need to be healthy.
Give TA a try, if he doesn't work give Walker the minutes, if he doesn't work give Scal the minutes, if he doesn't work give Giddens the minutes, if that doesn't work give Hudson the minutes. If none of those players play well you stick with the player who is playing the least poorly until Daniels comes back.

I think TA is the answer, however if that doesn't work I think when Baby comes back you play Scals at the 3 and Baby at the 4. House at the 1 or 2. Then Sheeed at the 5.

[hardlyyardley]

TA showed his complete lack of basketball IQ the first minute he entered the game .....passing while in the lane with two seconds left on the shot clock

too dumb to trust

[gustusias]

A lot of you guys are all over me for writing 'I told you so.'
I wrote in the wrong tone.
My support is sad.
I consider Ty Lue a good backup.

Well, I do not consider Lue a good back up and never said he was. I was asking if Ainge and Doc are thinking along those lines. Who is a good backup? Orlando signed Jason Williams. I would have taken a chance on him if he'd sign here. There were others as well.
My support is now in it's 55th year beginning in 1954.
The tone of my writing is what it is. I am not trying to prove anything or be smart. I just was lukewarm with Daniels's signing right from the beginning. I remembered how good he was with Dallas but I admit I had no idea after that how he had played. So, I looked up his profile and saw he was injured every single year and out chunks of times and games. He also was a very terrible 3 pt. shooter who still insisted on shooting them. An excellent ballhandler,
 Daniels to me seemed lacking the dribble, speed, and mentality of a true back up point guard, which I consider to be our main need still. Healthy he gives me concerns, and I am still not very keen on House and him together as a tandem. It seems Doc isn't either. Lately he's subbing Rajon to also run the 2nd unit 'cause Daniels and house just aren't effective, enter Rajon.
I told you so might sound like having an attitude, and I apologize if it came across that way. I wrote it though because of my support for the team and my fears that his injury history in the end might bite back at Danny.  
I am disappointed as well with Tony Allen, but not ready to give up on him. I hope he plays well enough for Doc to begin to increase his minutes.He still has a load of talent from what I saw last night but yeah, he does make mistakes.

Lastly, my concerns with the point guard position are about playoff time and what good teams can do defensively to a pg who has a weakness of ballhandling or dribble or playmaking. As seen with the first unit it is Rondo really who drives this team. Without Rajon they are dead. If he goes down, Ainge has nobody, that is nobody again so it is clear, who can even remotely begin to run the team. Daniels to me is not the right guy.

[Greenbean]

A lot of you guys are all over me for writing 'I told you so.'
I wrote in the wrong tone.
My support is sad.
I consider Ty Lue a good backup.

Well, I do not consider Lue a good back up and never said he was. I was asking if Ainge and Doc are thinking along those lines. Who is a good backup? Orlando signed Jason Williams. I would have taken a chance on him if he'd sign here. There were others as well.
My support is now in it's 55th year beginning in 1954.
The tone of my writing is what it is. I am not trying to prove anything or be smart. I just was lukewarm with Daniels's signing right from the beginning. I remembered how good he was with Dallas but I admit I had no idea after that how he had played. So, I looked up his profile and saw he was injured every single year and out chunks of times and games. He also was a very terrible 3 pt. shooter who still insisted on shooting them. An excellent ballhandler,
 Daniels to me seemed lacking the dribble, speed, and mentality of a true back up point guard, which I consider to be our main need still. Healthy he gives me concerns, and I am still not very keen on House and him together as a tandem. It seems Doc isn't either. Lately he's subbing Rajon to also run the 2nd unit 'cause Daniels and house just aren't effective, enter Rajon.
I told you so might sound like having an attitude, and I apologize if it came across that way. I wrote it though because of my support for the team and my fears that his injury history in the end might bite back at Danny.  
I am disappointed as well with Tony Allen, but not ready to give up on him. I hope he plays well enough for Doc to begin to increase his minutes.He still has a load of talent from what I saw last night but yeah, he does make mistakes.

Lastly, my concerns with the point guard position are about playoff time and what good teams can do defensively to a pg who has a weakness of ballhandling or dribble or playmaking. As seen with the first unit it is Rondo really who drives this team. Without Rajon they are dead. If he goes down, Ainge has nobody, that is nobody again so it is clear, who can even remotely begin to run the team. Daniels to me is not the right guy.

I figured the tone was misconstrued a bit. There definitely is the question of whether this team needs a backup PG or not, but it matters less in the playoffs, not more as is evident by our 2008 championship. We still have the same guy who was our backup on a championship team. How many backup PGs can you name from the past 5-10 champions?

And to your other point, how many teams have insurance for their star players? Looking at it now Williams seems like a good fit, but over the summer he was a PG who has been out of the league for a year and was last seen playing hobbling around on bad knees. To me Daniels was less of a risk than Williams was. Bottom line, if Rondo goes down, we are probably screwed. That is when we would make a push for Andre Miller or someone in a similar situation. Orlando lost Nelson and traded for Alston. This is what we would be looking at if Rondo went down, a deal like that.