Moments to Iverson's return: wish we'd have taken a chance

[Mencius]

Really wish we'd have given AI a shot.  For vet minimum seems like it was practically risk free.  Sixers even have an option to drop him in January.  Oh well.

I know this is a dead issue, but just having him return tonight made me think this again.

[scoop]

I don't. And I doubt Iverson would have signed with the Celtics.

[Fafnir]

His last two stops have made it clear he's not comfortable coming off the bench.

That's all we could have offered him, better for both parties that he went to Philly.

[Mencius]

His last two stops have made it clear he's not comfortable coming off the bench.

That's all we could have offered him, better for both parties that he went to Philly.

He said he'd come off the bench for a contender.  Contender is what we are.  Moot point, but I still wish we'd have given it a shot.

[Fafnir]

His last two stops have made it clear he's not comfortable coming off the bench.

That's all we could have offered him, better for both parties that he went to Philly.

He said he'd come off the bench for a contender.  Contender is what we are.  Moot point, but I still wish we'd have given it a shot.

He also said he'd do what's best for the team in Detroit.

He also smiled and said he was grateful for the opportunity in Memphis.

What he says publically when he's looking for a job is much different than what he'd accept once he got there.

[Mencius]

His last two stops have made it clear he's not comfortable coming off the bench.

That's all we could have offered him, better for both parties that he went to Philly.

He said he'd come off the bench for a contender.  Contender is what we are.  Moot point, but I still wish we'd have given it a shot.

He also said he'd do what's best for the team in Detroit.

He also smiled and said he was grateful for the opportunity in Memphis.

What he says publically when he's looking for a job is much different than what he'd accept once he got there.

Being discontented with coming off the bench for pathetic Memphis and accepting that role on the Celtics are two different matters entirely.  We'll never know what the expectations were or whether they were communicated properly to him in Memphis.

I know he's been an arsehat at previous stops.  I'm saying I'd have taken the practically no-risk chance that he'd behave differently with the veteran future hall of famers we have, and that he'd make a better backup PG and SG than we'd otherwise get.

We'll never know.

[CelticG1]

His last two stops have made it clear he's not comfortable coming off the bench.

That's all we could have offered him, better for both parties that he went to Philly.

He said he'd come off the bench for a contender.  Contender is what we are.  Moot point, but I still wish we'd have given it a shot.

He also said he'd do what's best for the team in Detroit.

He also smiled and said he was grateful for the opportunity in Memphis.

What he says publically when he's looking for a job is much different than what he'd accept once he got there.

Being discontented with coming off the bench for pathetic Memphis and accepting that role on the Celtics are two different matters entirely.  We'll never know what the expectations were or whether they were communicated properly to him in Memphis.

I know he's been an arsehat at previous stops.  I'm saying I'd have taken the practically no-risk chance that he'd behave differently with the veteran future hall of famers we have, and that he'd make a better backup PG and SG than we'd otherwise get.

We'll never know.

I wish we took a chance on him too.  We'll never know if he would have been great for us or if he would have been terrible. If he was terrible though we could have got rid of him for virtually nothing. It still seems kind of stupid to not take the chance. It will be interesting towards the deadline when we are looking at scraps to pick up and people will be building those players up to be decent when we could have taken a chance on a AI.

[Jon]

While I'll admit that I was mildly intrigued by the prospect, I seriously doubt that it would've worked out.  First, under what circumstances would he play?  He'd get 15 mpg as Rondo's backup, but where would the rest come from?  Would anyone seriously suggest that we play him at the 2?  His size would hurt us defensively and his inability to consistently hit the three would pair horribly with Rondo. 

I think Iverson's got game left, but he needs to go to a team where he can get minutes and dominate the ball at least some.  That wouldn't happen here and it will happen in Philly. 

[greg683x]

His last two stops have made it clear he's not comfortable coming off the bench.

That's all we could have offered him, better for both parties that he went to Philly.

He said he'd come off the bench for a contender.  Contender is what we are.  Moot point, but I still wish we'd have given it a shot.

He also said he'd do what's best for the team in Detroit.

He also smiled and said he was grateful for the opportunity in Memphis.

What he says publically when he's looking for a job is much different than what he'd accept once he got there.

+1....He tells people what they want to hear.  I dont care how low the risk is, all the unwanted media attention, all the distractions it could cause can still ruin chemistry and focus even after hes gone.  Whos to say everything would just go right back to normal if we would have had to release Iverson if he started throwing tantrums.   You never know, thats why sometimes, just like in Poker, it's safer to just not play the hand.

[nickagneta]

His last two stops have made it clear he's not comfortable coming off the bench.

That's all we could have offered him, better for both parties that he went to Philly.

He said he'd come off the bench for a contender.  Contender is what we are.  Moot point, but I still wish we'd have given it a shot.

He also said he'd do what's best for the team in Detroit.

He also smiled and said he was grateful for the opportunity in Memphis.

What he says publically when he's looking for a job is much different than what he'd accept once he got there.

Being discontented with coming off the bench for pathetic Memphis and accepting that role on the Celtics are two different matters entirely.  We'll never know what the expectations were or whether they were communicated properly to him in Memphis.

I know he's been an arsehat at previous stops.  I'm saying I'd have taken the practically no-risk chance that he'd behave differently with the veteran future hall of famers we have, and that he'd make a better backup PG and SG than we'd otherwise get.

We'll never know.

Why does everyone say it would be no risk. It would be a huge risk.

What happens when it doesn't turn out okay and you've cut and paid a player, cut and paid AI, paid the luxury tax on both and now have to go out to sign another guy and pay another tax? The C's could be looking at an additional payroll hit of somewhere between $2-$3.5 million. Do you think the C's ownership considers that a non risky amount of money?

What happens if Rasheed Wallace has some bad feelings about AI and doesn't want him here and then decides to give up on the team for signing him? Is that a risk management would want to take?

What happens if Rondo feels threaten by AI and starts causing problems? Are those risks that Doc would be okay with?

What happens if AI starts causing situations with the Big Three or poorly influencing the work habits and attitudes of the young players the Celtics have? Are those risks anyone in the organization would want to risk?

These are big risks in may book.

AI ended up in a situation that is best for the Sixers, best for AI and best for the Celtics. Good luck to him where he is.

[blueygreen]

While I'll admit that I was mildly intrigued by the prospect, I seriously doubt that it would've worked out.  First, under what circumstances would he play?  He'd get 15 mpg as Rondo's backup, but where would the rest come from?  Would anyone seriously suggest that we play him at the 2?  His size would hurt us defensively and his inability to consistently hit the three would pair horribly with Rondo. 

I think Iverson's got game left, but he needs to go to a team where he can get minutes and dominate the ball at least some.  That wouldn't happen here and it will happen in Philly. 

This is very true. An Iverson/House backcourt may be one of the shortest/most inept in history

edit: defensively that is

[Brickowski]

Really wish we'd have given AI a shot.  For vet minimum seems like it was practically risk free.  Sixers even have an option to drop him in January.  Oh well.

I know this is a dead issue, but just having him return tonight made me think this again.

Why, so we could lose to Denver too?

You're living in the past, my friend.  I used to to that when I was younger, but now I don't have time for it.

[CelticG1]

His last two stops have made it clear he's not comfortable coming off the bench.

That's all we could have offered him, better for both parties that he went to Philly.

He said he'd come off the bench for a contender.  Contender is what we are.  Moot point, but I still wish we'd have given it a shot.

He also said he'd do what's best for the team in Detroit.

He also smiled and said he was grateful for the opportunity in Memphis.

What he says publically when he's looking for a job is much different than what he'd accept once he got there.

Being discontented with coming off the bench for pathetic Memphis and accepting that role on the Celtics are two different matters entirely.  We'll never know what the expectations were or whether they were communicated properly to him in Memphis.

I know he's been an arsehat at previous stops.  I'm saying I'd have taken the practically no-risk chance that he'd behave differently with the veteran future hall of famers we have, and that he'd make a better backup PG and SG than we'd otherwise get.

We'll never know.

Why does everyone say it would be no risk. It would be a huge risk.

What happens when it doesn't turn out okay and you've cut and paid a player, cut and paid AI, paid the luxury tax on both and now have to go out to sign another guy and pay another tax? The C's could be looking at an additional payroll hit of somewhere between $2-$3.5 million. Do you think the C's ownership considers that a non risky amount of money?

What happens if Rasheed Wallace has some bad feelings about AI and doesn't want him here and then decides to give up on the team for signing him? Is that a risk management would want to take?

What happens if Rondo feels threaten by AI and starts causing problems? Are those risks that Doc would be okay with?

What happens if AI starts causing situations with the Big Three or poorly influencing the work habits and attitudes of the young players the Celtics have? Are those risks anyone in the organization would want to risk?

These are big risks in may book.

AI ended up in a situation that is best for the Sixers, best for AI and best for the Celtics. Good luck to him where he is.

I really don't think you are giving any credit to Sheed or Rondo. If Rondo and Sheed are that pathetic i would not want them on my team at all. We talked about Rondo maybe having some doubts his second year in when we picked up Cassel and then he didn't at all. At this point it would be laughable if Rondo felt threatened by AI. Same with Sheed. If Sheed is going to give up on our team because the Celtics decided to sign someone that he didn't really like then I would like to cut Sheed right now. I'm pretty sure signing AI to a non-guaranteed contract really wouldn't have "threatened" Rondo and pretty sure Sheed wouldn't "give up on the team". I guess thats me though...

[BASS_THUMPER]

His last two stops have made it clear he's not comfortable coming off the bench.

That's all we could have offered him, better for both parties that he went to Philly.

iverson not over rondo...


i would start kenny anderson..in his prime...over rondo...iverson over rondo is tuff...


we seem to have loyalty for only certain players.....i think right now scalabrine over sheed would be that thing...scal has show he can step up..sheed has stepped down from starter to benc and sheed knows his role is diffrent..

i know nada..jus thinkin aloud

*sippin*

[LB3533]

Really wish we'd have given AI a shot.  For vet minimum seems like it was practically risk free.  Sixers even have an option to drop him in January.  Oh well.

I know this is a dead issue, but just having him return tonight made me think this again.

Why, so we could lose to Denver too?

You're living in the past, my friend.  I used to to that when I was younger, but now I don't have time for it.

That's what happens when AI tries to play team ball on a bad team....they end up losing.