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Which New England/Boston Coach Leaves First?

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Re: Which New England/Boston Coach Leaves First?
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2009, 10:11:57 PM »

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I voted for Doc, but I personally don't see any of these fine coaches leaving anytime soon.

I give Doc at least until the end of his contract, and then some. He has been with this team when they were terrible and he is now tasting the fruits of his hard labor. I also see him sticking around for at least a portion of the transition period, IMO.

From an outsider (I'm from VA) looking in, Bostonians are VERY fortunate..the Redsox will contend for the next several years. The Pats will do same, I believe.

As for me, My Redskins...well need I say more? My ATL Braves are looking better, but they are also in a state of transition.

Re: Which New England/Boston Coach Leaves First?
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2009, 10:15:05 PM »

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Just curious but to the people who voted to Belichick: 

Do you really believe that he'll get fired in the near future or just step down? 

I think it would be a bit from both sides ... if this team is really rebuilding, (which it seems to be), then when wholesale changes are being made, the ownership looks for new energy from the top down, and Bill may be feeling a bit stale there now and a bit under-appreciated. I think there's a greater chance of his being replaced than most people think ... unless, like I said earlier, they can pull off a miracle and get to the Super Bowl.
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Re: Which New England/Boston Coach Leaves First?
« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2009, 10:35:09 PM »

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Bill Belichick is going nowhere fast. The fact that he completely re=did over his defense in two year and has not only remained competitive but winning and at times dominant is a testament to his skills.

I really don't think people understand how difficult it is to remain a dominant team in the NFL, year in and year out, under it's current set-up for close to a decade. He is doing a remarkable job of rebuilding a defense basically from scratch while staying in the hunt for a Super Bowl. And it's not just because he has Brady because he went 11-5 last year without Tom Brady.

I think the fact that the Pats have lost two games in a row, something that almost never happens around here but happens year in and year out a couple or more times a year everywhere else, a little too dramatically and need to reexamine how blessed we are to have one of the 2 or 3 greatest coaches in the history of the game coaching our football team.

The coach that leaves first will probably be Francona and it probably will be on his terms. Actually, I kind of think that's the way it will be with all three. I think each of them will leave the team for their own reasons and not because management wants them out. Just a feeling I have.

Re: Which New England/Boston Coach Leaves First?
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2009, 10:48:06 PM »

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There's a number of things I don't agree with in your post.

Just curious but to the people who voted to Belichick: 

Do you really believe that he'll get fired in the near future or just step down? 

I went with Bill for a few reasons.

1. I think he's a victim of his own success. We've been spoiled so bad by him that we're in no mood to put up with mediocrity.
You use the word "we". The thing is, "we", the fans, don't impact Bill's fate. The man who does, Robert Kraft, is much more patient than us, and won't overreact to a down year.

Besides, the Patriots are still less than 2 years removed from the only 16-0 season in league history! Last year, they went 11-5 with their backup quarterback playing the entire year. Furthermore, this season isn't even over yet.

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2. If you're going to be mediocre can you please admit it? Can you just admit you made mistakes? Cmon. Be a man. Admit it. My 2 year old says "sorry" sometimes. It's not that hard. But if you're going to keep losing and acting like am an idiot for asking why then please just leave.

I'm not clear on what you'd like him to do. Hold a press conference tomorrow and announce to the world that his team is mediocre? I bet that would go over well in New England. A big part of what makes Bill so good (what makes NE fans love him and everyone else hate him) is that he is so strong-willed and stubborn. But when you take a look at what it means to say you made a mistake in football, Bill is actually pretty good at it. He's never been afraid cut his mistakes loose even if it makes him look bad.

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4. Kraft is no wimp. He's dealt with personalities and whatnot before from the Tuna to Pete Carroll to Belichek to Pioli.  I think Kraft has enough cajones to think that he is the one that sets the culture here, and not BB.

5. Kraft is an actual fan. He pays a lot of money and wants to win.

6. It's been a good run. Some guys like to move on at some point anyway.

You're acting like the run is over and the Patriots' best chance of winning would be if Kraft fired Belichick. Well I don't know what to say to that besides that I disagree and I hope most other people would too.
Ok. So how much longer do you think this mediocrity can last?  We just saw a near rookie QB beat the Pats and the week before the Saints basically took their manhood, ****ed on it, picked it up, spit on it, turned around and said "I think this may be yours".

How long do you think Kraft will be ok with that and when do you suppose the winning will start again?

I really think you have to take a step back and realize you're missing the point. You're expressing your frustrations about one rough stretch of one season. This question isn't about that. Think about what you're saying:

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...when do you suppose the winning will start again?

Seriously? You're acting like this team is the Oakland freakin' Radiers, when according to the facts, today's loss marks the first time Belichick's team has lost 2 games in a row since 2006! That's a lot a winning. Last time I checked, people don't talk about firing their coach every time their team looses 2 in a row, especially when it only happens once every three years.


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Re: Which New England/Boston Coach Leaves First?
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2009, 11:04:50 PM »

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Ok. So how much longer do you think this mediocrity can last?  We just saw a near rookie QB beat the Pats and the week before the Saints basically took their manhood, ****ed on it, picked it up, spit on it, turned around and said "I think this may be yours".

How long do you think Kraft will be ok with that and when do you suppose the winning will start again?

Now, that's just over-reaction.  This team is on a 2 game losing streak.  They're still 7-5 and leading the AFC East.  They have 4 very winnable games remaining and still control their own playoff hopes.  This team is less than 2 years removed from a 16-0 season and Super Bowl appearance.  They went 11-5 last year without their team leader.  They're very well going to win double digit games again this year. 

Walsh, Noll, Landry, Gibbs, etc.; none of those guys won championships every year.  Its not plausible. They had their "down" years. The great ones keep them in contention year in and year out and Belichick has done that over the course of the decade.  In a league that prides itself on parity, what New England has accomplished over the past 8 years is pretty astounding. 

The only people who would even consider calling for Belichick's head right now are the knee jerk reactors.  There's no way that the idea of replacing Belichick is going through Kraft's head.  If the Pats turn around and beat Carolina, they're 8-5 and one step closer to a playoff appearance and the 2 game losing streak is over.  Are people going to be callling for his head then?  Of course not.

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2000-  Missed playoffs
2001-  Won Super Bowl
2002-  Missed playoffs
2003-  Won Super Bowl
2004-  Won Super Bowl
2005-  Lost Divisional Playoff
2006-  Lost AFC Championship
2007-  Lost Super Bowl
2008-  Missed playoffs

I'd put that track record up against any coach in the league right now.  Its gonna take an extended amount of losing for Belichick to go. 


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Re: Which New England/Boston Coach Leaves First?
« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2009, 11:25:00 PM »

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Bill Belichick is going nowhere fast. The fact that he completely re=did over his defense in two year and has not only remained competitive but winning and at times dominant is a testament to his skills.

I really don't think people understand how difficult it is to remain a dominant team in the NFL, year in and year out, under it's current set-up for close to a decade. He is doing a remarkable job of rebuilding a defense basically from scratch while staying in the hunt for a Super Bowl. And it's not just because he has Brady because he went 11-5 last year without Tom Brady.

I think the fact that the Pats have lost two games in a row, something that almost never happens around here but happens year in and year out a couple or more times a year everywhere else, a little too dramatically and need to reexamine how blessed we are to have one of the 2 or 3 greatest coaches in the history of the game coaching our football team.

The coach that leaves first will probably be Francona and it probably will be on his terms. Actually, I kind of think that's the way it will be with all three. I think each of them will leave the team for their own reasons and not because management wants them out. Just a feeling I have.

TP. Say what you want about Belicheck, he's helped make this team what it is and I fear when he leaves, so does this era. Whether that means we keep winning or not, that's a bridge we cross when we get there, I suppose.

But don't kid yourselves, Belicheck's for real as far as coaches go. Period. If you can't at least appreciate him for what he's done for team, you're probably not a real Pats fan.

Re: Which New England/Boston Coach Leaves First?
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2009, 09:38:21 AM »

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Ok. So how much longer do you think this mediocrity can last?  We just saw a near rookie QB beat the Pats and the week before the Saints basically took their manhood, ****ed on it, picked it up, spit on it, turned around and said "I think this may be yours".

How long do you think Kraft will be ok with that and when do you suppose the winning will start again?

Now, that's just over-reaction.  This team is on a 2 game losing streak.  They're still 7-5 and leading the AFC East.  They have 4 very winnable games remaining and still control their own playoff hopes.  This team is less than 2 years removed from a 16-0 season and Super Bowl appearance.  They went 11-5 last year without their team leader.  They're very well going to win double digit games again this year. 

Walsh, Noll, Landry, Gibbs, etc.; none of those guys won championships every year.  Its not plausible. They had their "down" years. The great ones keep them in contention year in and year out and Belichick has done that over the course of the decade.  In a league that prides itself on parity, what New England has accomplished over the past 8 years is pretty astounding. 

The only people who would even consider calling for Belichick's head right now are the knee jerk reactors.  There's no way that the idea of replacing Belichick is going through Kraft's head.  If the Pats turn around and beat Carolina, they're 8-5 and one step closer to a playoff appearance and the 2 game losing streak is over.  Are people going to be callling for his head then?  Of course not.

Belichick since '00.

2000-  Missed playoffs
2001-  Won Super Bowl
2002-  Missed playoffs
2003-  Won Super Bowl
2004-  Won Super Bowl
2005-  Lost Divisional Playoff
2006-  Lost AFC Championship
2007-  Lost Super Bowl
2008-  Missed playoffs

I'd put that track record up against any coach in the league right now.  Its gonna take an extended amount of losing for Belichick to go. 

Ok. hold on here.

Let me clarify just a weeee bit.

I don't think almost anybody is calling for his head. I don't think Kraft is thinking of firing BB. I do think he's thinking of replacing him, because he has to. He won't be here forever.

I just think he's the most likely guy to go first because I think all leagues are "What have you done for me lately" and 2004 is not "lately". In fact I'd have to say we're a loooonnnnggg ways removed (like an entire ACL injury and several good players and coaches) removed from 2007 even.

I just don't think coaches leave one way or the other when their team is a top 3ish team. Francona and Doc have that. BB has a very ho hum middle of the pack team right now.  On a good day right now his team is maybe better than the Dolphins and a light year worse than the Saints.

That would make me think he is closest. Closest as in you live in New York.  Doc and Francona live in LA.  BB lives in St Louis. You gotta get to Pittsburgh before it become a realistic issue. But he's driving in that direction. Now maybe next week they beat a team they're supposed to beat and he drives back to St Louis.  But he's not out to Denver again till he beats a team he's not supposed to beat.

You say BB needs to have an extended losing situation to get fired. Well I live in New England. To me the 2007 Super Bowl till now is an extended losing period. I don't consider a first round playoff loss even borderline a successful season.  That goes same for any pro team here.

Now BC football. A good 8-9 win season with a bowl win against a good team and decent recruits where the coach doesn't leave. Successful season.  But that's different.

Re: Which New England/Boston Coach Leaves First?
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2009, 10:08:50 AM »

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Ok. So how much longer do you think this mediocrity can last?  We just saw a near rookie QB beat the Pats and the week before the Saints basically took their manhood, ****ed on it, picked it up, spit on it, turned around and said "I think this may be yours".

How long do you think Kraft will be ok with that and when do you suppose the winning will start again?

Ummm, they went undefeated two years ago, won 11 games last year with a QB who hadn't started since high school, and are on track for a home playoff game this year.  Not to mention, he has been training their new Offensive coordinator this season, because the last one was given a head coaching job, and their defense really does not have a lot of talent to work with (OK, you can blame BB the GM for that, but not the coach).

Sure, this team has been mediocre if your standards are winning the Superbowl every single year.  However, by realistic standards, this team has continued to be immensely successful. 

Re: Which New England/Boston Coach Leaves First?
« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2009, 10:12:46 AM »

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Francona. 

He'll quit do to health issues long before Belicheck or Doc leaves

Re: Which New England/Boston Coach Leaves First?
« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2009, 10:25:12 AM »

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Ok. So how much longer do you think this mediocrity can last?  We just saw a near rookie QB beat the Pats and the week before the Saints basically took their manhood, ****ed on it, picked it up, spit on it, turned around and said "I think this may be yours".

How long do you think Kraft will be ok with that and when do you suppose the winning will start again?

Ummm, they went undefeated two years ago, won 11 games last year with a QB who hadn't started since high school, and are on track for a home playoff game this year.  Not to mention, he has been training their new Offensive coordinator this season, because the last one was given a head coaching job, and their defense really does not have a lot of talent to work with (OK, you can blame BB the GM for that, but not the coach).

Sure, this team has been mediocre if your standards are winning the Superbowl every single year.  However, by realistic standards, this team has continued to be immensely successful. 
Well when you're some typical team out there competing for the Super Bowl every year probably isn't realistic.

But when your team has Brady, two pro bowl wide recievers, three OLs just a year and a half removed from the Pro Bowl, and a coach named Belichek competing for the Super bowl every year should probably be a realistic goal. Instead I'm just hoping we don't get beat by the Dolphins and Panthers of the league

I'm sorry but when they won 18 games in a row I wasn't thinking "This isn't realistic. They'll probably lose 6 games in a couple years with a lot of the same players and coaches"

Re: Which New England/Boston Coach Leaves First?
« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2009, 11:02:49 AM »

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Ok. So how much longer do you think this mediocrity can last?  We just saw a near rookie QB beat the Pats and the week before the Saints basically took their manhood, ****ed on it, picked it up, spit on it, turned around and said "I think this may be yours".

How long do you think Kraft will be ok with that and when do you suppose the winning will start again?

Ummm, they went undefeated two years ago, won 11 games last year with a QB who hadn't started since high school, and are on track for a home playoff game this year.  Not to mention, he has been training their new Offensive coordinator this season, because the last one was given a head coaching job, and their defense really does not have a lot of talent to work with (OK, you can blame BB the GM for that, but not the coach).

Sure, this team has been mediocre if your standards are winning the Superbowl every single year.  However, by realistic standards, this team has continued to be immensely successful. 
Well when you're some typical team out there competing for the Super Bowl every year probably isn't realistic.

But when your team has Brady, two pro bowl wide recievers, three OLs just a year and a half removed from the Pro Bowl, and a coach named Belichek competing for the Super bowl every year should probably be a realistic goal. Instead I'm just hoping we don't get beat by the Dolphins and Panthers of the league

I'm sorry but when they won 18 games in a row I wasn't thinking "This isn't realistic. They'll probably lose 6 games in a couple years with a lot of the same players and coaches"
And if this is the case you just are paying attention to what happens in the NFL on a year in year out basis for the last 30 years.

Losing in the Superbowl and then not even making the playoff the very next year is a very common trait. So is losing 6 or more times in a season 3-4 times a decade. The average career in the NFL is 3.5 years long. Teams going to the Superbowl and being downright bad three years after happens a lot!!! That it hasn't happened to this team is near miraculous.

And in your analogy. Belichick is closer to Sacramento than St. Louis and when he loses two whole games in a row, he travels all the way east to Rosemont, California. You know that little city about 5 miles east of Sacramento.

Re: Which New England/Boston Coach Leaves First?
« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2009, 11:12:10 AM »

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Ok. So how much longer do you think this mediocrity can last?  We just saw a near rookie QB beat the Pats and the week before the Saints basically took their manhood, ****ed on it, picked it up, spit on it, turned around and said "I think this may be yours".

How long do you think Kraft will be ok with that and when do you suppose the winning will start again?

Ummm, they went undefeated two years ago, won 11 games last year with a QB who hadn't started since high school, and are on track for a home playoff game this year.  Not to mention, he has been training their new Offensive coordinator this season, because the last one was given a head coaching job, and their defense really does not have a lot of talent to work with (OK, you can blame BB the GM for that, but not the coach).

Sure, this team has been mediocre if your standards are winning the Superbowl every single year.  However, by realistic standards, this team has continued to be immensely successful. 
Well when you're some typical team out there competing for the Super Bowl every year probably isn't realistic.

But when your team has Brady, two pro bowl wide recievers, three OLs just a year and a half removed from the Pro Bowl, and a coach named Belichek competing for the Super bowl every year should probably be a realistic goal. Instead I'm just hoping we don't get beat by the Dolphins and Panthers of the league

I'm sorry but when they won 18 games in a row I wasn't thinking "This isn't realistic. They'll probably lose 6 games in a couple years with a lot of the same players and coaches"
And if this is the case you just are paying attention to what happens in the NFL on a year in year out basis for the last 30 years.

Losing in the Superbowl and then not even making the playoff the very next year is a very common trait. So is losing 6 or more times in a season 3-4 times a decade. The average career in the NFL is 3.5 years long. Teams going to the Superbowl and being downright bad three years after happens a lot!!! That it hasn't happened to this team is near miraculous.

And in your analogy. Belichick is closer to Sacramento than St. Louis and when he loses two whole games in a row, he travels all the way east to Rosemont, California. You know that little city about 5 miles east of Sacramento.
Ok maybe the geography stuff is somewhere inbetween.  But there's a lot of ways a coach can end up not a coach

But I do think it's fairly unusual for a team that wins a Super Bowl to be a bad or mediocre team in a year and a half with the same players and coaches.

Re: Which New England/Boston Coach Leaves First?
« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2009, 11:14:29 AM »

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Ok. So how much longer do you think this mediocrity can last?  We just saw a near rookie QB beat the Pats and the week before the Saints basically took their manhood, ****ed on it, picked it up, spit on it, turned around and said "I think this may be yours".

How long do you think Kraft will be ok with that and when do you suppose the winning will start again?

Ummm, they went undefeated two years ago, won 11 games last year with a QB who hadn't started since high school, and are on track for a home playoff game this year.  Not to mention, he has been training their new Offensive coordinator this season, because the last one was given a head coaching job, and their defense really does not have a lot of talent to work with (OK, you can blame BB the GM for that, but not the coach).

Sure, this team has been mediocre if your standards are winning the Superbowl every single year.  However, by realistic standards, this team has continued to be immensely successful. 
Well when you're some typical team out there competing for the Super Bowl every year probably isn't realistic.

But when your team has Brady, two pro bowl wide recievers, three OLs just a year and a half removed from the Pro Bowl, and a coach named Belichek competing for the Super bowl every year should probably be a realistic goal. Instead I'm just hoping we don't get beat by the Dolphins and Panthers of the league

I'm sorry but when they won 18 games in a row I wasn't thinking "This isn't realistic. They'll probably lose 6 games in a couple years with a lot of the same players and coaches"

that's such a spoiled NE patriots argument that i physically cringe.

It speaks of this gross sense of entitlement that patriot fans have, that we should win the superbowl every year regardless of what the rest of the league does. This is a team who has rebuilt it it's entire defense and is, most likely STILL going to win the AFC east.

IT also blatantly makes a wrong assumption that we are "basically the same personal" as the 2007 team, and thus should be still rolling along.

 Take alook at our defense and tell me how many key veterans you see left from that team.

Meanwhile, the Pittsburgh steelers, who are substantially the same team on both sides of the ball from the superbowl season, are going to be lucky to finish 8-8 the way they are playing.

This is the same team that in 2008 went 11-5 with tom brady out for the year, somehow producing a great season when everyone expected them to fail. yet that wasn't good enough for patriot fans either, and the season was widely labeled a failure.

It's just ridiculous at this point, nick is right. this attitude that we are entitled to be better than everyone else and that we should be far and away the best team in the league as long as 12 is under center isn't based in reality.

You need to be good on offense and defense in this league, and right now we have made a conscious (and correct, though painful) choice to rebuild a defense that proved it didn't have the chops and was to long in the tooth to win anything the last 2 years.

and, with that rebuilt defense, which is far to young and inexperienced to be anywhere near a superbowl discussion, we are still going to make the tournament and have a shot, albiet a long one. most teams that disemboweled themselves on one side of the ball would be ecstatic to simply make the playoffs the following year.

lord forbid we have to deal with a playoff season that may not result in a superbowl championship during a rebuilding phase though, this is the post 2003 patriots.
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Re: Which New England/Boston Coach Leaves First?
« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2009, 11:18:57 AM »

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Ok. So how much longer do you think this mediocrity can last?  We just saw a near rookie QB beat the Pats and the week before the Saints basically took their manhood, ****ed on it, picked it up, spit on it, turned around and said "I think this may be yours".

How long do you think Kraft will be ok with that and when do you suppose the winning will start again?

Ummm, they went undefeated two years ago, won 11 games last year with a QB who hadn't started since high school, and are on track for a home playoff game this year.  Not to mention, he has been training their new Offensive coordinator this season, because the last one was given a head coaching job, and their defense really does not have a lot of talent to work with (OK, you can blame BB the GM for that, but not the coach).

Sure, this team has been mediocre if your standards are winning the Superbowl every single year.  However, by realistic standards, this team has continued to be immensely successful. 
Well when you're some typical team out there competing for the Super Bowl every year probably isn't realistic.

But when your team has Brady, two pro bowl wide recievers, three OLs just a year and a half removed from the Pro Bowl, and a coach named Belichek competing for the Super bowl every year should probably be a realistic goal. Instead I'm just hoping we don't get beat by the Dolphins and Panthers of the league

I'm sorry but when they won 18 games in a row I wasn't thinking "This isn't realistic. They'll probably lose 6 games in a couple years with a lot of the same players and coaches"
And if this is the case you just are paying attention to what happens in the NFL on a year in year out basis for the last 30 years.

Losing in the Superbowl and then not even making the playoff the very next year is a very common trait. So is losing 6 or more times in a season 3-4 times a decade. The average career in the NFL is 3.5 years long. Teams going to the Superbowl and being downright bad three years after happens a lot!!! That it hasn't happened to this team is near miraculous.

And in your analogy. Belichick is closer to Sacramento than St. Louis and when he loses two whole games in a row, he travels all the way east to Rosemont, California. You know that little city about 5 miles east of Sacramento.
Ok maybe the geography stuff is somewhere inbetween.  But there's a lot of ways a coach can end up not a coach

But I do think it's fairly unusual for a team that wins a Super Bowl to be a bad or mediocre team in a year and a half with the same players and coaches.

But this team is not the '07 team.  Sure, many of the core guys (Brady, Moss, Welker, Wilfork, Mankins, Koppen, etc. ) remain but their has been a lot of turnover too.  Especially on the defensive side of things.  Seymour, Bruschi, Vrabel, Samuel, Hobbs, Harrison all gone.  McDaniels has been replaced at the offensive coordinator position with O'Brien.

This isn't the same team.  Lot of growing pains on the defensive side of things plus you have a quarterback who missed an entire season (save for 7.5 minutes or so) trying to bounce back and get in sync with the offense.  Add in the variables such as injuries and the '09 Patriots are a much different team than '07.


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Re: Which New England/Boston Coach Leaves First?
« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2009, 11:24:29 AM »

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I am going to throw my hat in for Doc being the 1st to leave.

He's talked about family a lot in recent past (when we were losing a ton of games).

I doubt Doc will be on board for another rebuilding era so once the Big 3 is broken up in about 2 or 3 years, Doc will step down.