Bucks trade idea?

[jdub1660]

Ersan Ilyasova & Francisco Elson for BBD and 1 of either Tony/Giddens/Walker/Hudson

The focal point of this trade is Ilyasova. I watched a few Bucks games this season and love his game. He can guard SFs and PFs, get hot from range, and can put the ball on the floor to slash.

The Bucks are going nowhere near the playoffs this year, and I can't see any player there being part of the future outside of Jennings and Warrick. BBD would get same minutes there as he did here last year, being the main backup big behind Bogut and Warrick. 1 of our 4 young throw ins would get minutes will Redd continues to sit. Elson makes salaries work but also gets us a big back that fits into our system, and allows Sheed to work into the PF spot as he gets into better shape.

[Atzar]

Ilyasova looks like a chucker to me, from what I've seen.  I like his rebounding, especially if he plays SF, but I don't like his shot selection and I don't like his defense.

I'd rather keep BBD.

[scoop]

The Bucks would never do this. Ilyasova has quality to start and he's in an extremely cheap contract. Of course he's part of their future - him, Jennings, Bogut and Mbah-a-Moute. Warrick not so much.

But yeah, I'd love to have Ilyasova or a player like him here.

[Neurotic Guy]

I have no problem with this or any other well thought out trade idea.  However, it seems that every reasonable trade proposal is now including BBD since he represents the only available (or willing to part with) Celtic player who has trade value for his talent.   Unless a team is desperately seeking cap relief, Davis becomes the logical enticement.  Yet, I am not sure Glen Davis is not the perfect compliment for the C's right now.  He brings a very different look to the team and really broadens the options within a solid big man rotation.  He does things that none of our other bigs do.  I really want to see him back in green and haven't yet seen a trade idea that would bring anything more to the table than Glen does (and I'm not talking to the dinner table). 

[Fan from VT]

I don't think the bucs do this. Ilyasova is a better player, a real bargain find for them. The only way i see them doing this is if the Celtics expand the deal to take back Gadzuric so they can save his 6-7 mil next year.

[snively]

I don't think the bucs do this. Ilyasova is a better player, a real bargain find for them. The only way i see them doing this is if the Celtics expand the deal to take back Gadzuric so they can save his 6-7 mil next year.

Spot on.  Ilyasova's very young (22) and thus far has shown more than Baby ever has.  He can actually rebound (pulling down 11 boards per 36 minutes) and he shoots better than Baby (including a nice rate from downtown).

[PosImpos]

I'd rather trade BBD and expirings for Kurt Thomas and Hakim Warrick, but Warrick's been pretty good for them so they wouldn't do it.

Warrick's a PF but he can play SF too. 

[scoop]

Ilyasova is a vastly superior player to Davis and Warrick, IMO. It's not even close. I strongly suspect the Bucks think the same way.

If the Bucks aren't playoff contenders by the trade deadline (I doubt it), then I can see Warrick being available for a relatively cheap price. But Warrick doesn't do anything else besides scoring and his defence is particularly bad, so I don't see much reasons to go after him (the Celtics have plenty of scorers, I think).

[PosImpos]

Ilyasova is a vastly superior player to Davis and Warrick, IMO. It's not even close. I strongly suspect the Bucks think the same way.

If the Bucks aren't playoff contenders by the trade deadline (I doubt it), then I can see Warrick being available for a relatively cheap price. But Warrick doesn't do anything else besides scoring and his defence is particularly bad, so I don't see much reasons to go after him (the Celtics have plenty of scorers, I think).

Warrick also rebounds pretty well (better than BBD).  His ability to play both SF and PF positions would give us a lot more flexibility. 

I point him out mainly because he and KT are the only guys on the Bucks I'd bother trading for.  I think Danny would definitely look elsewhere though; nobody on the Bucks really fits are needs (except for Delfino, and we aren't going to get him).

[Change]

What the hell? Ersan Ilyasova was drafted in 2005 2nd round. I thought he was a rookie. He played 66games in 2006-07 season. He left the Bucks after the 2006-07 season to play in the Euroleague. So this is his second season. Bucks stole another one in the 2nd round.

[scoop]

Ilyasova is a vastly superior player to Davis and Warrick, IMO. It's not even close. I strongly suspect the Bucks think the same way.

If the Bucks aren't playoff contenders by the trade deadline (I doubt it), then I can see Warrick being available for a relatively cheap price. But Warrick doesn't do anything else besides scoring and his defence is particularly bad, so I don't see much reasons to go after him (the Celtics have plenty of scorers, I think).

Warrick also rebounds pretty well (better than BBD).  His ability to play both SF and PF positions would give us a lot more flexibility. 

I point him out mainly because he and KT are the only guys on the Bucks I'd bother trading for.  I think Danny would definitely look elsewhere though; nobody on the Bucks really fits are needs (except for Delfino, and we aren't going to get him).

When was the last time Warrick played SF? In his rookie season? He's a massive defensive liability at that position, that's why coaches don't play him there. 

He's a 12% career rebounder. He's sharing minutes with Ilyasova who's rebounding at a 17% rebounding rate. He's a bad rebounder for his position.

Thomas... I just don't see how could he break the rotation. He's strictly a backup C at this point of his career, too slow to guard PFs. We already have Wallace, Williams and Davis to defend the post.

[PosImpos]

Ilyasova is a vastly superior player to Davis and Warrick, IMO. It's not even close. I strongly suspect the Bucks think the same way.

If the Bucks aren't playoff contenders by the trade deadline (I doubt it), then I can see Warrick being available for a relatively cheap price. But Warrick doesn't do anything else besides scoring and his defence is particularly bad, so I don't see much reasons to go after him (the Celtics have plenty of scorers, I think).

Warrick also rebounds pretty well (better than BBD).  His ability to play both SF and PF positions would give us a lot more flexibility. 

I point him out mainly because he and KT are the only guys on the Bucks I'd bother trading for.  I think Danny would definitely look elsewhere though; nobody on the Bucks really fits are needs (except for Delfino, and we aren't going to get him).

When was the last time Warrick played SF? In his rookie season? He's a massive defensive liability at that position, that's why coaches don't play him there. 

He's a 12% career rebounder. He's sharing minutes with Ilyasova who's rebounding at a 17% rebounding rate. He's a bad rebounder for his position.

Thomas... I just don't see how could he break the rotation. He's strictly a backup C at this point of his career, too slow to guard PFs. We already have Wallace, Williams and Davis to defend the post.

My point was those are the only guys I see us going for that we'd have any chance of getting.

Your points summed up why it wouldn't be worth it.

[GreenFaith1819]

I'd rather keep Glen Davis, myself. From what I've read and seen, he appears to be in the best shape of his career so far, even with the injury.

His rebounding has been a challenge, but IMO that will improve with him being in better shape.

I'd say give Glen a shot at showing what he can do this season, IMO. The guy can certainly score. And believe it or not, he is the most experienced Celtics Big bench player.

Good Discussion, though. Warrick has always intrigued me.

[2short]

I'd rather trade BBD and expirings for Kurt Thomas and Hakim Warrick, but Warrick's been pretty good for them so they wouldn't do it.

Warrick's a PF but he can play SF too. 

yep poor mans battier, might be a guy we could get

[Kiorrik]

Francisco Elson is Dutch, so I'd say yes... if it wasn't for BBD being traded in that scenario. I can't live without BBD. It's like trading Posey, or Power, something we should never do.

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