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Big Baby's role?
« on: December 04, 2009, 12:27:25 PM »

Offline ScoobyDoo

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Big Baby played alot of small forward last year. You'd see him chasing around Nick Young or Rashard Lewis often times, etc. This year he's trimmed down alot apparently. What do you think of this lineup when he comes back?

Rasheed
Shelden
Baby
Marquis
House

and two, if it worked, shoudl we maybe package TA and Scal plus change for a an off guard behind Ray, someone like a Raja bell maybe?

Then you could have lots of Flex.

Baby: SF, PF and Center
Marquis: Point, Off and SF

etc...you could go big with baby at SF or small with Quis at SF and not lose anthing having Raja or similar at off.

Or Quis at point, with Ray and Paul?

I mean just alot of Flexibility.

Trading for an off guard might be a better move than trading for a true small forward at the deadline with TA and Scal's expiring and Giddens

Perkins / Wallace / < Baby >
Garnett / Shelden / Scal
Pierce / Baby / Walker
Ray / Raja / Quisy
Rondo / House / Hudson

Thoughts?     
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Re: Big Baby's role?
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2009, 12:30:15 PM »

Offline wdleehi

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When did he play SF?

http://www.82games.com/0809/08BOS13.HTM



He is a PF/C.   He will be in the mix with Scali and Williams picking up the scrap minutes from KG/Perk/Wallace depending on matchups.
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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2009, 12:33:52 PM »

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He would only be a situational SF - he wouldn't be able to guard quick ones.  I like that for certain matchups, but not as a regular rotation.  

I'd still much rather have a bigger wing than anything.  We don't need another off-guard, have too many already in my opinion - Ray, Eddie, Quis, TA, and JR are all natural 2's.  Paul, Walker and Lester can play there as well.  Definitely don't need another SG.  
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Re: Big Baby's role?
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2009, 12:41:45 PM »

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Ummm, Davis NEVER played SF last year.  I can't think of one time.  I am really not sure where you got that.  Are you just thinking of him switching onto perimeter guys on pick and rolls? 

Davis' role is as another part of the big man rotation.  He is going to be fighting for minutes with Williams and Scal (and perhaps Sheed).  It is tough to say for sure how that will shake out, but I would put my money on Doc using a 9th man by committee thing, where he plays Davis, Williams or Scal, based on matchups.  Basically, it will be the same as it was two years ago with Powe, Davis and Scal.

If any big man will be seeing minutes at SF, it is Scal...but even that will be VERY limited.
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2009, 09:12:46 AM »

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Baby's role will be to box out and hit jumpers.  And I think he'll get lots of minutes after he's back in playing form.
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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2009, 10:01:24 AM »

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Rashard Lewis and "Thaddeus" Young often play PF he may have covered them, but not because he was playing SF.
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2009, 10:37:19 AM »

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Energy off the bench. Hustle. That's what Baby brings, more than any other player we have.
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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2009, 10:54:41 AM »

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His role???   Isn't it obvious from the team stats without him?

REBOUND!!!!!!
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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2009, 11:00:07 AM »

Offline Fafnir

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Quote from: DivingCowens on December 05, 2009, 10:54:41 AM
His role???   Isn't it obvious from the team stats without him?

REBOUND!!!!!!
He's not a good rebounder, but hopefully he'll improve our benches overall rebounding. I have my doubts on this though.
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« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2009, 11:05:51 AM »

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He's certainly not Rodman or anything, but the guy creates space in the lane and uses that huge frame of his to keep anyone off the block.  His rebounding numbers per 48 are up there with anyone and the bottom line is that our present guys at the 4 just don't do it.  KG plays up top quite a bit, and Sheed spends too much time behind the 3 line to focus on the boards.  If we could play BB with Sheed, we would make matchup nightmares for other teams.
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« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2009, 11:10:35 AM »

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« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2009, 11:15:56 AM »

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Quote from: DivingCowens on December 05, 2009, 11:05:51 AM
He's certainly not Rodman or anything, but the guy creates space in the lane and uses that huge frame of his to keep anyone off the block.  His rebounding numbers per 48 are up there with anyone and the bottom line is that our present guys at the 4 just don't do it.  KG plays up top quite a bit, and Sheed spends too much time behind the 3 line to focus on the boards.  If we could play BB with Sheed, we would make matchup nightmares for other teams.

This is an absolute false statement. Last year we had thread after thread about this and his per 48 rebounding numbers are towards the bottom of the league for both centers and PF's. He is a POOR rebounder due to his short stature and inability to jump. He is an atrocious defensive rebounder and a mediocre at best offensive rebounder. The numbers don't support your blanket statement at all. BBD does some things well, but this isn't one of them.
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« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2009, 12:27:57 PM »

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Two things to keep in mind:

1) Throwing out the whole, should he play the 3 or not, for a minute, the bigger issue is that I don't think Doc is going to go with a whole second unit, nor do I think he should.  Right now one of the Big Three (if not another starter as well) is on the court with the "second unit."  This really makes the team more dangerous, as even when things break down, Paul/Ray can still get off a shot no problem. 

So the bigger problem with Davis isn't so much if he can play the 3, it's that in order for him to break the rotation, he's going to have to knock someone else out of it.

2) That said, I think his role when he comes back is water boy and cheerleader until he proves otherwise.  If he can knock Williams/Scal out of the rotation, great.  But I wouldn't hand it to him.  There's no need to mess with what we have when what we have is working. 
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« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2009, 12:28:46 PM »

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Shelden's Role except BBD knows how catch the ball, and he can score MUCH easier.
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Re: Big Baby's role?
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2009, 12:34:39 PM »

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Tommy point Manup for the correction and that is exactly what I meant...Thaddeus Young and Rashard Lewis.

And my point about that was; if Baby sometimes guarded these guys who are "very quick" PF's when they play that position isn a small ball lineup and who are just average speed larger sized small forwards when they're playing the SF position in a different rotation...

A) If Baby has trimmed down a bit from last year and he did at least a resonable job on those guys defensively, does it give us the option to play a lineup of Sheed, Shelden and Baby in a situational manner as Atzar meantions?

B) If Baby can play some small it the right situations and we also have Marquis and Scal and Walker who can also play spot minutes at the small...

Which means we'd have a decent rotation behind Pierce to keep him fresh; primarily Daniels, with spots of Baby and Walker...

C) Would it be a better idea to trade TA and Scal plus Giddens for a good back up off guard like a Raja Bell or similar at the deadline...rather than what everyone assumes might be the more obvious move of going after another small forward?

Perkins / Sheed / Baby
Garnett / Shelden  / Baby
Pierce / Daniels / Baby / Walker
Ray / Raja or similar /
Rondo / House / Hudson

Or does everyone think we'd be better off, if we in fact make a trade at the deadline, in going after a samll forward?

No one has responded to that question, thoughts?
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