2nd Unit Needs Pushy PG

[CelticG1]

Who can we realistically get either through a trade or as a FA? I couldn't agree more that we need one, but who are we going to give up in a trade to get one? At this point I would not want to give Tony up (at this point). I think he has shown decent value since he's been back and he really has only been back for a few games so I think thats saying something. With Pierce  and Quis (who has never ever been able to stay on the floor) injured, along with Ray's minute increase and age, I think this is absolutely necessary for insurance. I just think that TA at the very least if those guys come back healthy than he will be able to spell either Pierce or Ray in moments in the game, also while/ if Quis plays the point. I think that we are just going to end up waiting until the deadline unless it becomes an absolute necessity now (like rondo getting injured for while).

Anyway bottom line who can we get and how can we get him?

[vinnie]

Never fails ... we lose a game and the trade threads erupt ... I'm almost as tired of trade ideas as I am Sheed's 3-point bricks. 

How or where is this a trade thread. I am simply saying the Celtics need a backup point guard. If we have to wait until Marquis comes back, we have to wait. However, it is painful watching Eddie House trying to run the offense.

[RJ87]

Okay. Maybe Marquis will solve the problem when he comes back. I guess my biggest issue is the team just completely breaks down any time that House is running the point. He simply cannot do it.

Problem there is Marquis won't be back until February. We've got a strong 2nd unit on paper, but no one to really run the offense so everything just seems so stagnant. I think we need to ship some expirings out and bring in a solid back-up PG. Maybe its a pipe dream, but I hear Ramon Sessions is on the block.

[RJ87]

Never fails ... we lose a game and the trade threads erupt ... I'm almost as tired of trade ideas as I am Sheed's 3-point bricks. 

I'm as anti-trade thread as they come, but I've been saying since the offseason that we need a legit backup PG.

Now, Rondo has a tweaked hamstring. What happens if he needs to miss a game or two? Really?

Idk about anyone else, but Eddie trying to run the offense in the 2nd unit is frustrating to watch and the idea of him having to run the offense for the starters just makes me cringe.

[Tai]

Daniels runs the point better than a gunner like Nate Robinson.

The idea that the Cs lost the game in the 2 minutes Rondo was off the floor is crazy.

That's not what I am saying. Bottom line is, Rondo is getting the crap beaten out of him and he is a fairly small guy. He can't play 46 minutes a game or he will get killed. He should be playing 35-38 minutes a game. The Celtics need someone who can run the team for 10-12 minutes per game. Daniels is okay, but is not really a point guard. Why does every other team in the NBA have a backup point guard? A real one, that is.

Well, because most teams don't have the playmaking from the wings that the Cs have. Anyway, it's your assumption true? The Cavs don't have a real point-guard, not even in the starting line-up. The Lakers have only one and he's on the bench. The Spurs march out there with Hill and Mason, none of them is a real point-guard either. And so on.

This concept that you need a real point-guard that dominates the ball and runs the offence like a quarter-back is a little outdated anyway.

Gimme a freaking break on the Cavs not having a real PG. You mean you wouldn't take him, but Mo Williams is a realer PG than anyone on our roster not named Rondo. His 4.8 assist average definitely supports that! And that's with having to play alongside Lebron, who averages around 3 more assists per game, basically supporting the notion the Lebron loves to ballhog.

Anyways, if we had a guy off our bench that could average 5 assists per game, you're either drooling or you're simply dead.

[Bahku]

Never fails ... we lose a game and the trade threads erupt ... I'm almost as tired of trade ideas as I am Sheed's 3-point bricks. 

How or where is this a trade thread. I am simply saying the Celtics need a backup point guard. If we have to wait until Marquis comes back, we have to wait. However, it is painful watching Eddie House trying to run the offense.

So "2nd unit needs a pushy PG" isn't an inference for a trade? Sorry, my fault ... guess I misunderstood.

[Tai]

Never fails ... we lose a game and the trade threads erupt ... I'm almost as tired of trade ideas as I am Sheed's 3-point bricks. 

How or where is this a trade thread. I am simply saying the Celtics need a backup point guard. If we have to wait until Marquis comes back, we have to wait. However, it is painful watching Eddie House trying to run the offense.

So "2nd unit needs a pushy PG" isn't an inference for a trade? Sorry, my fault ... guess I misunderstood.

That's what I thought too. I mean, we COULD try signing Marbury again.....

Haha, made you look. 

[Change]

Never fails ... we lose a game and the trade threads erupt ... I'm almost as tired of trade ideas as I am Sheed's 3-point bricks. 

How or where is this a trade thread. I am simply saying the Celtics need a backup point guard. If we have to wait until Marquis comes back, we have to wait. However, it is painful watching Eddie House trying to run the offense.

So "2nd unit needs a pushy PG" isn't an inference for a trade? Sorry, my fault ... guess I misunderstood.

2nd unit does need a PG. But not really because he's injured. How long before Marquis comes back?

[vinnie]

Never fails ... we lose a game and the trade threads erupt ... I'm almost as tired of trade ideas as I am Sheed's 3-point bricks. 

How or where is this a trade thread. I am simply saying the Celtics need a backup point guard. If we have to wait until Marquis comes back, we have to wait. However, it is painful watching Eddie House trying to run the offense.

So "2nd unit needs a pushy PG" isn't an inference for a trade? Sorry, my fault ... guess I misunderstood.

Trade, free agent, Tyron Lue, whatever 

[CelticG1]

I think I'd rather have Tony run the point than eddie. Yeah i said it

[fanofgreen]

I've been saying for the longest, to trade for Acie Law.

But all i got was, a bunch, of: "he's horrible!, he cant do this , he cant do that, he's a bust, look at his stats! blah, blah, blah,.

One thing i know he can do is, be a NATURAL POINT GUARD, he can handle the ball. for a 2nd unit, I dont care if the guy was a bust, cant crack the rotation(which is another complaint i got)(he was a rookie stuck behind mike bibby and flip murray, why would woodsen play him?). But I'm not trying to build the future of the Boston Celtics around AAcie Law, I just want the Boston Celtics to have a 2nd unit NATURAL POINT GUARD.

I think it's completely absurd, that our 3 options at backup or 2nd unit point guard, aren't natural point guards at all.
Marquis Daniels
Eddie House
Tony Allen
those are out options behind Rondo at point guard. Really, just look at that list of names. Not one of those guys, has ever started more than 5 games at point guard at any time in their careers, for any team. (and no Marquis did not start at pg for the pacers, I live in Indiana, he would play point, when the matchups were a certain way, during the middle of the game, but the startes were TJ Ford and Jarret Jack)

I think Acie Law would be perfect, because he is not a shoot first type of point guard, he's got the size to play alongside eddie, He is only 1" shorter than TA. He wont be coming in expecting starters minutes, he has an expiring contract, he can knock down the three, and as far as value, I think its pretty even or close: Scal for Law, TA for Law, Scal and JR for Law,

But most importantly Acie Law would be perfect because he is a NATURAL POINT GUARD.

[Tai]

The main problem is that the Celtics don't want to win these games bad enough. We don't need no freaking Acie Law to beat hapless, defenseless (in more ways than one) teams like the Clippers or Warriors. Are you KIDDING ME? We lost these games cause we didn't have this "natural backup PG" off the bench?

 The Celtics problem this year is that they don't have the killer instinct of yester year. We sure didn't need a backup PG OR a bench for that matter to start 27-2 last year, did we? How about that 12 game winning streak when we finally found ourselves again? Where was our backup PG then? This was without Marbury OR Moore btw. Even this year....we're STILL the best in the East without this backup PG you say we so desperately need. All season we've been without BBD, Daniels won't be back for a while, and Pierce didn't play against the Clippers or Warriors, but he played against the Sixers and we still lost to them anyways after having a 10+ point lead.

Your short term memory is showing in this regard and it's not even close, but the bottom line is that at best, we squeak through the games we lost with an Acie Law running the 2nd unit, and hey, it'd be fine with me, so I won't argue with you if it's fine for you.

The thing is, though, I can only say that because despite our pathetic effort against the Sixers, Clippers, and Warriors, we lost all of them by a combined 7 points; 1, 2, and 4 respectively. And we had a 10+ point lead against ALL OF THEM.

So in the end, until WE CARE ENOUGH TO DO SO, we will not beat down hapless teams like the Warriors, Clippers, or Sixers like we are supposed to even with a "true blue backup PG". PERIOD.

If this 2nd unit PG can't give us this killer instinct, then I'm not sure he's helpful. Otherwise, I feel like he's already on the way when the time is right, regardless. But that's all. If Rondo himself alongside Ray (since they both played 40+ minutes in the last two games) can't help the 2nd unit flow like it should in our state of lackadaisical, what's a backup PG who's clearly inferior to Rondo gonna do when we're not willing to put forth the effort to win games we easily should?

...I rest my case.

[soap07]

"...I rest my case. "


I would suggest that you do not enter the law profession.

[greenhead85]

Why not convince Bobby Jackson to play again after retiring last October? He really is one very good back up PG.

The guy oozes with talent, skill and enthusiasm.

[slamtheking]

The main problem is that the Celtics don't want to win these games bad enough. We don't need no freaking Acie Law to beat hapless, defenseless (in more ways than one) teams like the Clippers or Warriors. Are you KIDDING ME? We lost these games cause we didn't have this "natural backup PG" off the bench?

 The Celtics problem this year is that they don't have the killer instinct of yester year. We sure didn't need a backup PG OR a bench for that matter to start 27-2 last year, did we? How about that 12 game winning streak when we finally found ourselves again? Where was our backup PG then? This was without Marbury OR Moore btw. Even this year....we're STILL the best in the East without this backup PG you say we so desperately need. All season we've been without BBD, Daniels won't be back for a while, and Pierce didn't play against the Clippers or Warriors, but he played against the Sixers and we still lost to them anyways after having a 10+ point lead.

Your short term memory is showing in this regard and it's not even close, but the bottom line is that at best, we squeak through the games we lost with an Acie Law running the 2nd unit, and hey, it'd be fine with me, so I won't argue with you if it's fine for you.

The thing is, though, I can only say that because despite our pathetic effort against the Sixers, Clippers, and Warriors, we lost all of them by a combined 7 points; 1, 2, and 4 respectively. And we had a 10+ point lead against ALL OF THEM.

So in the end, until WE CARE ENOUGH TO DO SO, we will not beat down hapless teams like the Warriors, Clippers, or Sixers like we are supposed to even with a "true blue backup PG". PERIOD.

If this 2nd unit PG can't give us this killer instinct, then I'm not sure he's helpful. Otherwise, I feel like he's already on the way when the time is right, regardless. But that's all. If Rondo himself alongside Ray (since they both played 40+ minutes in the last two games) can't help the 2nd unit flow like it should in our state of lackadaisical, what's a backup PG who's clearly inferior to Rondo gonna do when we're not willing to put forth the effort to win games we easily should?

...I rest my case.

TP to you for stating the obvious.  The team's lack of a killer instinct is what's causing the losses, not a backup PG.  This was supposed to be the one advantage a veteran team has over young teams---the knowledge and ability to put away an inferior or less-experienced teams.  It's certainly not showing with this collection of veterans.