Trade idea w NJ

[nickagneta]

My guess is if there is going to be someone moved out of Jersey it's Yi Jianlian because he hasn't panned out to be quite what he projected to be at the time of the draft(yeah, I know he was drafted by someone else, just saying he's been a bit of a disappointment) and because it dumps another $4.5 million in salary for next year when the Nets aren't sure what the salary cap is going to come in at.


Jianlian for Scal and Giddens

I think they get at least a first rounder as well for Yi.  But ultimately, I think that would be an interesting trade for both teams.  I really don't think Yi fits into their future, playing next to Lopez (Ideally, they would have more of a banger in that spot), but he would infuse some talent into this C's team. 

How do you figure?  He's not infusing talent to the Nets.

The move for Courtney Lee I could understand from the C's perspective, less so for the Nets.  Yi would only happen if Danny is still hung up on him but I can't imagine that's still the case after having seen his lack of production for the past 2 years.

Danny can do better than this deal for those expirings without having to toss in a 1st rounder to boot.

This I disagree with. I don't see $4 million in expiring contracts as being able to get you much more than a possible prospect or low level vet. It's not enough cap relief. A big expiring deal that is for a stiff player might net you a good player, but not just $4 million worth of cap relief. I just don't see it.

[moiso]

May as well sign Robert Swift instead of trading for Yi.  He's a similar case and in two years Yi may be looked at similarly.

[Chris]

My guess is if there is going to be someone moved out of Jersey it's Yi Jianlian because he hasn't panned out to be quite what he projected to be at the time of the draft(yeah, I know he was drafted by someone else, just saying he's been a bit of a disappointment) and because it dumps another $4.5 million in salary for next year when the Nets aren't sure what the salary cap is going to come in at.


Jianlian for Scal and Giddens

I think they get at least a first rounder as well for Yi.  But ultimately, I think that would be an interesting trade for both teams.  I really don't think Yi fits into their future, playing next to Lopez (Ideally, they would have more of a banger in that spot), but he would infuse some talent into this C's team. 

How do you figure?  He's not infusing talent to the Nets.

The move for Courtney Lee I could understand from the C's perspective, less so for the Nets.  Yi would only happen if Danny is still hung up on him but I can't imagine that's still the case after having seen his lack of production for the past 2 years.

Danny can do better than this deal for those expirings without having to toss in a 1st rounder to boot.

What I meant to say was infuse YOUNG talent.  For all his faults, Yi would be the most talented young guy the C's have other than Rondo and Perkins (although Yi may have even more talent than Perk...if he could figure out what to do with it).  

Now, it still needs to be cultivated, and that is certainly a risk.  But Yi is still a talented young player with a lot of upside.  They are not given away for expiring contracts without some kind of sweetener.

And you may be right, Danny could do better (at least with improving the team for this year as the goal), but I also think it is not a terrible deal.  

Dumping Yi helps the Nets get down to about $21 million in open cap space after everyone but Harris, Lopez, T.Williams, Lee, CDR, and Boone is renounced and that includes the holds for their two first round picks. Moving Yi would guarantee the Nets the ability to add one max contract free agent and almost(90-95%of max) another max level free agent contract.

Is that worth a first round pick? If you are giving them salary relief, maybe. But if that is the case have them include this year's pick, which lowers there cap another million and give them picks in 2011 and 2013. That gives the C's two first rounders this year that they could use to replace Giddens and Walker as prospects as I think both are probably gone as they haven't panned out.

OK, you are putting too much stock in the whole cap space thing.  They already have plenty of capspace to sign a superstar, and surround them with a couple role players to go along with their excellent young core.  There is no way they give away Yi without getting SOMETHING of value back.  And they sure are not going to give away a lottery pick next year, just to pick late in the first roung in 2011 and 2013.

Yi may be a disappointment based on where he was drafted, but he is averaging 10 points, and 7.5 rebounds per game before he got injured.  Yeah, he is not going to bring back as much as they gave up for him, but there is no way they dump him simply for expiring contracts.  

[moiso]

It's definitely too early to give up on Yi but I see a potential Gerald Green in him.  He definitely won't be helping a championship caliber team for quite some time.

[nickagneta]

My guess is if there is going to be someone moved out of Jersey it's Yi Jianlian because he hasn't panned out to be quite what he projected to be at the time of the draft(yeah, I know he was drafted by someone else, just saying he's been a bit of a disappointment) and because it dumps another $4.5 million in salary for next year when the Nets aren't sure what the salary cap is going to come in at.


Jianlian for Scal and Giddens

I think they get at least a first rounder as well for Yi.  But ultimately, I think that would be an interesting trade for both teams.  I really don't think Yi fits into their future, playing next to Lopez (Ideally, they would have more of a banger in that spot), but he would infuse some talent into this C's team. 

How do you figure?  He's not infusing talent to the Nets.

The move for Courtney Lee I could understand from the C's perspective, less so for the Nets.  Yi would only happen if Danny is still hung up on him but I can't imagine that's still the case after having seen his lack of production for the past 2 years.

Danny can do better than this deal for those expirings without having to toss in a 1st rounder to boot.

What I meant to say was infuse YOUNG talent.  For all his faults, Yi would be the most talented young guy the C's have other than Rondo and Perkins (although Yi may have even more talent than Perk...if he could figure out what to do with it).  

Now, it still needs to be cultivated, and that is certainly a risk.  But Yi is still a talented young player with a lot of upside.  They are not given away for expiring contracts without some kind of sweetener.

And you may be right, Danny could do better (at least with improving the team for this year as the goal), but I also think it is not a terrible deal.  

Dumping Yi helps the Nets get down to about $21 million in open cap space after everyone but Harris, Lopez, T.Williams, Lee, CDR, and Boone is renounced and that includes the holds for their two first round picks. Moving Yi would guarantee the Nets the ability to add one max contract free agent and almost(90-95%of max) another max level free agent contract.

Is that worth a first round pick? If you are giving them salary relief, maybe. But if that is the case have them include this year's pick, which lowers there cap another million and give them picks in 2011 and 2013. That gives the C's two first rounders this year that they could use to replace Giddens and Walker as prospects as I think both are probably gone as they haven't panned out.

OK, you are putting too much stock in the whole cap space thing.  They already have plenty of capspace to sign a superstar, and surround them with a couple role players to go along with their excellent young core.  There is no way they give away Yi without getting SOMETHING of value back.  And they sure are not going to give away a lottery pick next year, just to pick late in the first roung in 2011 and 2013.

Yi may be a disappointment based on where he was drafted, but he is averaging 10 points, and 7.5 rebounds per game before he got injured.  Yeah, he is not going to bring back as much as they gave up for him, but there is no way they dump him simply for expiring contracts.  

I was talking about trading away their second first round pick next year, Dallas' that would be at 20-25 or so not their lottery pick.

Also, if the cap comes in low, getting rid of $5 million in salary for them might mean the difference in signing Lebron and Bosh or Amare or Joe Johnson and signing Lebron and some spare parts.

[Chris]

My guess is if there is going to be someone moved out of Jersey it's Yi Jianlian because he hasn't panned out to be quite what he projected to be at the time of the draft(yeah, I know he was drafted by someone else, just saying he's been a bit of a disappointment) and because it dumps another $4.5 million in salary for next year when the Nets aren't sure what the salary cap is going to come in at.


Jianlian for Scal and Giddens

I think they get at least a first rounder as well for Yi.  But ultimately, I think that would be an interesting trade for both teams.  I really don't think Yi fits into their future, playing next to Lopez (Ideally, they would have more of a banger in that spot), but he would infuse some talent into this C's team. 

How do you figure?  He's not infusing talent to the Nets.

The move for Courtney Lee I could understand from the C's perspective, less so for the Nets.  Yi would only happen if Danny is still hung up on him but I can't imagine that's still the case after having seen his lack of production for the past 2 years.

Danny can do better than this deal for those expirings without having to toss in a 1st rounder to boot.

What I meant to say was infuse YOUNG talent.  For all his faults, Yi would be the most talented young guy the C's have other than Rondo and Perkins (although Yi may have even more talent than Perk...if he could figure out what to do with it).  

Now, it still needs to be cultivated, and that is certainly a risk.  But Yi is still a talented young player with a lot of upside.  They are not given away for expiring contracts without some kind of sweetener.

And you may be right, Danny could do better (at least with improving the team for this year as the goal), but I also think it is not a terrible deal.  

Dumping Yi helps the Nets get down to about $21 million in open cap space after everyone but Harris, Lopez, T.Williams, Lee, CDR, and Boone is renounced and that includes the holds for their two first round picks. Moving Yi would guarantee the Nets the ability to add one max contract free agent and almost(90-95%of max) another max level free agent contract.

Is that worth a first round pick? If you are giving them salary relief, maybe. But if that is the case have them include this year's pick, which lowers there cap another million and give them picks in 2011 and 2013. That gives the C's two first rounders this year that they could use to replace Giddens and Walker as prospects as I think both are probably gone as they haven't panned out.

OK, you are putting too much stock in the whole cap space thing.  They already have plenty of capspace to sign a superstar, and surround them with a couple role players to go along with their excellent young core.  There is no way they give away Yi without getting SOMETHING of value back.  And they sure are not going to give away a lottery pick next year, just to pick late in the first roung in 2011 and 2013.

Yi may be a disappointment based on where he was drafted, but he is averaging 10 points, and 7.5 rebounds per game before he got injured.  Yeah, he is not going to bring back as much as they gave up for him, but there is no way they dump him simply for expiring contracts.  

I was talking about trading away their second first round pick next year, Dallas' that would be at 20-25 or so not their lottery pick.

Also, if the cap comes in low, getting rid of $5 million in salary for them might mean the difference in signing Lebron and Bosh or Amare and signing Lebron and some spare parts.

Ah, OK, that makes more sense.  For a second there, I thought you had gone crazy.  Yes, a deal like that would make some sense.  The C's give up two picks, but get one back.  Although I would hope that the C's would put some protection on those future picks.

As for the cap implications, I just looked at their cap, and even with Yi on the cap, they only are committed to around $21 million.  So that would likely give them enough cap space to sign 2 max guys if they wanted to.  I really don't think they will simply give up Yi for nothing, just to get that extra few million.  His value is still higher than that.

[nickagneta]

The cap holds on the two first round picks, depending on where they pick could be anywhere from $4-$6 million.

[Cman]

They have started CDR (which he hates being called. He prefers "freshy pants")

That is reason enough to not do this trade!

 

I'd do it in a heartbeat.

[Chris]

The cap holds on the two first round picks, depending on where they pick could be anywhere from $4-$6 million.

Ah right, I thought I was missing something. 

[ssspence]

My guess is if there is going to be someone moved out of Jersey it's Yi Jianlian because he hasn't panned out to be quite what he projected to be at the time of the draft(yeah, I know he was drafted by someone else, just saying he's been a bit of a disappointment) and because it dumps another $4.5 million in salary for next year when the Nets aren't sure what the salary cap is going to come in at.


Jianlian for Scal and Giddens

I think they get at least a first rounder as well for Yi.  But ultimately, I think that would be an interesting trade for both teams.  I really don't think Yi fits into their future, playing next to Lopez (Ideally, they would have more of a banger in that spot), but he would infuse some talent into this C's team. 

How do you figure?  He's not infusing talent to the Nets.

The move for Courtney Lee I could understand from the C's perspective, less so for the Nets.  Yi would only happen if Danny is still hung up on him but I can't imagine that's still the case after having seen his lack of production for the past 2 years.

Danny can do better than this deal for those expirings without having to toss in a 1st rounder to boot.

Hilarious. The Cs can do better than Yi for Scal and Giddens? If better means 'someone another team is desparate to stop paying', maybe. Otherwise, very funny.

[snively]

Courtney Lee is a nice player (and NJ definitely isn't moving him for anyone on our bench, cap space or not) but I'm still bewildered at how much NJ overpaid for him.  I like Ryan Anderson just as much as an overall prospect. 

I think Keyon Dooling is the only sensible target for the C's.  He's not doing the Nets much good as is and the C's can save them some money this year and whatever it would cost to cut him next year by giving them Tony Allen and Lester Hudson.

Dooling's got the size to play a little 2-guard and the ball-skills to initiate the offense much better than House and Daniels.  He's also an average shooter from deep, which makes him more of a threat than Tony and Marquis off the ball.

[ssspence]

Courtney Lee is a nice player (and NJ definitely isn't moving him for anyone on our bench, cap space or not) but I'm still bewildered at how much NJ overpaid for him.  I like Ryan Anderson just as much as an overall prospect. 

I think Keyon Dooling is the only sensible target for the C's.  He's not doing the Nets much good as is and the C's can save them some money this year and whatever it would cost to cut him next year by giving them Tony Allen and Lester Hudson.

Dooling's got the size to play a little 2-guard and the ball-skills to initiate the offense much better than House and Daniels.  He's also an average shooter from deep, which makes him more of a threat than Tony and Marquis off the ball.

He's injured.

[snively]

Courtney Lee is a nice player (and NJ definitely isn't moving him for anyone on our bench, cap space or not) but I'm still bewildered at how much NJ overpaid for him.  I like Ryan Anderson just as much as an overall prospect. 

I think Keyon Dooling is the only sensible target for the C's.  He's not doing the Nets much good as is and the C's can save them some money this year and whatever it would cost to cut him next year by giving them Tony Allen and Lester Hudson.

Dooling's got the size to play a little 2-guard and the ball-skills to initiate the offense much better than House and Daniels.  He's also an average shooter from deep, which makes him more of a threat than Tony and Marquis off the ball.

He's injured.

He just came back from whatever hip injury was bothering him for his first action of the season last night.  What do you think of him as a player

[Tai]

I went to the Nets/Bobcats game. Personally, he didn't wow me, but it was his first game back. He did get 3 assists, which is more than even Daniels is averaging (2.1), and in 16 minutes. I have YES, so I can watch him more on TV.

[snively]

I went to the Nets/Bobcats game. Personally, he didn't wow me, but it was his first game back. He did get 3 assists, which is more than even Daniels is averaging (2.1), and in 16 minutes. I have YES, so I can watch him more on TV.

I wonder if he's come up on the C's radar.  He's one of the only semi-realistic targets I can come up with that would potentially improve the C's without costing too much.