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parenting test
« on: November 27, 2009, 03:39:37 PM »

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I wanted to continue this topic, but get away from the morbid nature in which it arose, so thought I'd start a new thread

Gist is this: want to be parents should have to pass a test to have kids, or face a fine or not get the tax credit associated with having kids if they don't pass and still have them.  In extreme cases sterilization works too.  but anyways - the test should be basic enough that an individual of average intelligence can pass, and maybe if you fail the first time, there's a remediation class you can take.

But the idea on this thread are coming up with questions that should be on the test.

For example:

True/False

Both males and females can nurse the child from his/her body.
Babies are born with the natural ability to swim.
A child should be allowed to decide on what clothes to wear by age 1.5

MC questions are good too

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Re: parenting test
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2009, 04:02:09 PM »

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My problem with this is that knowledge about raising kids can be learned.  I don't think the biggest problem is parents who don't know what they are doing.  The problem is parents who are not mature enough to deal with being responsible for another life...and unfortunately, it would be very tough to come up with a test to measure that.

Re: parenting test
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2009, 04:04:58 PM »

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My problem with this is that knowledge about raising kids can be learned.  I don't think the biggest problem is parents who don't know what they are doing.  The problem is parents who are not mature enough to deal with being responsible for another life...and unfortunately, it would be very tough to come up with a test to measure that.

hmm, parenting mentors?

I think it's an extension of your problem - parents not caring enough to learn how to be good parents...
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Re: parenting test
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2009, 04:10:02 PM »

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My problem with this is that knowledge about raising kids can be learned.  I don't think the biggest problem is parents who don't know what they are doing.  The problem is parents who are not mature enough to deal with being responsible for another life...and unfortunately, it would be very tough to come up with a test to measure that.

hmm, parenting mentors?

I think it's an extension of your problem - parents not caring enough to learn how to be good parents...

Right, but the issue is, there are way too many people who would pass that test without a problem, but they will still be leaving their kids in the car for an hour while they get their hair done, or bringing their 2 year old to an 11pm screening of paranormal activity. 

Ultimately, other than certain criminal records, there really is no way to screen bad parents before the fact.  What needs to happen is more emphasis needs to be put on identifying neglectful and abusive parents, and making it easier to take the kids away. 

My fiance works as an early intervention specialist, and you should hear the stories of terrible parenting she has witnessed (even the parents who constantly cancel their appointments, because they need to go shopping), but unfortunately, unless there is physical abuse, or incredibly obvious (and provable) neglect, there is very little that can be done.

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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2009, 04:39:37 PM »

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my wife has always said there is no test to become a parent

some people have kids and keep having them so the state pays for them

add in something; my wife and I went to see a show at mohegan sun where there is also gambling  :-\
12:00 midnight!  young kids there with parents getting dragged around

Re: parenting test
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2009, 04:59:24 PM »

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Re: parenting test
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2009, 05:39:58 PM »

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My 7 year old has been on a serious making obnoxious noises and comments spree of late.  A little here and there is one thing but the constant barrage is too much.  My wife gave the age old threat of washing her mouth out with soap if she made the horrible noise she's been repeatedly making again. 

She, of course, did do it again, and now the specter of carrying out the threat was right in front.  Now, we don't want to wash our child's mouth out with soap for real and she knows this. 

So my wife and I are discussing an alternative solution and our four year comes walking in with a big poop eating grin holding a container of liquid soap  ;D .

Anyhow, we ended up taking away her Webkinz for the weekend (she actually asked if she could get the soap in the mouth instead, so I knew we'd made a good choice).

Point is, there's a whole lot of adjusting and adapting on the fly parenting.  You can't always be a rock, because your kids are equal to the task.

Not sure where that falls under testing...
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Re: parenting test
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2009, 05:50:11 PM »

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I wanted to continue this topic, but get away from the morbid nature in which it arose, so thought I'd start a new thread

Gist is this: want to be parents should have to pass a test to have kids, or face a fine or not get the tax credit associated with having kids if they don't pass and still have them.  In extreme cases sterilization works too.  but anyways - the test should be basic enough that an individual of average intelligence can pass, and maybe if you fail the first time, there's a remediation class you can take.

But the idea on this thread are coming up with questions that should be on the test.

For example:

True/False

Both males and females can nurse the child from his/her body.
Babies are born with the natural ability to swim.
A child should be allowed to decide on what clothes to wear by age 1.5

MC questions are good too

Feel free to add






A test isn't going to do any good. For example, there are teachers all over America, who are extremely intelligent, have taken education classes, have passed the teacher's certification test, and yet they cannot teach their way out of a wet paper bag.

What makes you think because someone can circle C on a test that they will be "fit parents?" Give me a break.

If you are considering having a child, there are only a few simple guidelines you need to follow, which are so easy even a moron can get it right: Love your child, never hit your child, be financially stable, Provide the tools your child needs to succeed in life, Let your child make his own decisions, and, most importantly, instill the thirst for knowledge in a child. If a parent can do those things, he or she is doing it right.

A child is not a math test. A test would be fruitless in determining who will be a good parent and who will be a bad parent.

Re: parenting test
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2009, 05:55:19 PM »

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My 7 year old has been on a serious making obnoxious noises and comments spree of late.  A little here and there is one thing but the constant barrage is too much.  My wife gave the age old threat of washing her mouth out with soap if she made the horrible noise she's been repeatedly making again. 

She, of course, did do it again, and now the specter of carrying out the threat was right in front.  Now, we don't want to wash our child's mouth out with soap for real and she knows this. 

So my wife and I are discussing an alternative solution and our four year comes walking in with a big poop eating grin holding a container of liquid soap  ;D .

Anyhow, we ended up taking away her Webkinz for the weekend (she actually asked if she could get the soap in the mouth instead, so I knew we'd made a good choice).

Point is, there's a whole lot of adjusting and adapting on the fly parenting.  You can't always be a rock, because your kids are equal to the task.

Not sure where that falls under testing...


Instead of punishing or threatening a child (washing your mouth out with soap) for making some silly obnoxious remark, why not play with them and get them involved in an activity (play a board game, play hide and seek, play an instrument, play a sport), because surly all they want is your time.


Oh, and I wasn't criticizing you, just pointing out what I wish I would see with parenting in general off of your anecdote.


Life is short: Obnoxious remarks, swearing, fights, etc. are hardly worth sending a child to his room for. All any parent needs to make sure is that their child knows the difference between right and wrong. Then, you let the child decide and figure things out by themselves. Raising a moral child who knows the difference between right and wrong, and a child who has the thirst for knowledge is very easily accomplished without every "punishing" one. It just takes time and effort. Saying, "go to your room!" is incredibly old fashion and children raised from that school of thought will be easily wiped out intellectually by children raised from more progressive parental thought.
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Re: parenting test
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2009, 07:20:25 PM »

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Parenting is the most difficult thing I've ever done.  Since many of us have only the training that comes from watching our own parents, many of us are woefully inadequately prepared for the task.  Yet, our society does not really encourage people to admit that they are struggling with parenting and thus many do not get support that could help. 

My wife and I have never hit our kids (my children are 19 and 14), but that doesn't mean we have not been very structured and consistent.  It has worked in the sense that we have 2 well-behaved and wonderful children -- but, don't confuse that with easy.  And don't confuse this with thinking that my children are alays happy.  Unfortunately, they are not.  I have learned that temperment and biological differences play a huge role in who children are -- which is why I don't (or try not to) make judgments when I see other children misbehaving.  It's easy to judge when you see a parent do something different than you think you would do, but I have learned that contexts are often much more complex than meet the eye. It continues to be a daily struggle to say and do the right things when you know that children need to test limits and need to feel power and control over their lives.

Sometimes we just guess and can never know for sure whether if we did it differently, would the outcome have been better... And sometimes, we lose it -- we become overwhelmed by the stresses of the day or the moment.
 
Anyway, unless we really want a 'Big Brother' society, we can't literally give a test for parents.  Additionally, making it easy to remove children from their parents' custody is a double-edged sword if there ever was one.  Children, even those with inadequate parents, usually prefer the 'known' to the 'unknown' and they still have an inherent need to know that their own parents truly love them.  In other words, sometimes removal is a must, but rarely does it come without challenges that are often equal in intensity to the initial problems.  It's often a 'Hobson's Choice' at best.

I think the best we can do as a society is to focus on the prevention side.  Prevention means working to establish and reinforce societal norms for parental 'readiness' and emphasizing support for ahieving readiness prior to conceiving.  This means education, birth control, lots of emphasis on what good parenting means and the vital importance of good parenting to our chidren and to society. 

When prevention fails, we then should try to emphasize that support for parents (especially high-risk parents) is a need.  One key here is to address the 'need for attention' issue -- meaning that we should stress attention as a prevention strategy rather than send the message that teenaged girls who get pregnant will get more attention than teenaged girls who don't get pregnant.  We know that many teenagers opt for pregnancy out of a need to gain attention, a need to feel important, feelings of insecurity and/or wishes to get out of (or change) bad family situations.  Until we remedy these issues by addressing the big needs of so many young women, we'll continue to see high rates of teen pregnancy and the continuation of the cycle of inadequate parenting. 

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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2009, 07:50:41 PM »

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My 7 year old has been on a serious making obnoxious noises and comments spree of late.  A little here and there is one thing but the constant barrage is too much.  My wife gave the age old threat of washing her mouth out with soap if she made the horrible noise she's been repeatedly making again. 

She, of course, did do it again, and now the specter of carrying out the threat was right in front.  Now, we don't want to wash our child's mouth out with soap for real and she knows this. 

So my wife and I are discussing an alternative solution and our four year comes walking in with a big poop eating grin holding a container of liquid soap  ;D .

Anyhow, we ended up taking away her Webkinz for the weekend (she actually asked if she could get the soap in the mouth instead, so I knew we'd made a good choice).

Point is, there's a whole lot of adjusting and adapting on the fly parenting.  You can't always be a rock, because your kids are equal to the task.

Not sure where that falls under testing...


Instead of punishing or threatening a child (washing your mouth out with soap) for making some silly obnoxious remark, why not play with them and get them involved in an activity (play a board game, play hide and seek, play an instrument, play a sport), because surly all they want is your time.


Oh, and I wasn't criticizing you, just pointing out what I wish I would see with parenting in general off of your anecdote.


Life is short: Obnoxious remarks, swearing, fights, etc. are hardly worth sending a child to his room for. All any parent needs to make sure is that their child knows the difference between right and wrong. Then, you let the child decide and figure things out by themselves. Raising a moral child who knows the difference between right and wrong, and a child who has the thirst for knowledge is very easily accomplished without every "punishing" one. It just takes time and effort. Saying, "go to your room!" is incredibly old fashion and children raised from that school of thought will be easily wiped out intellectually by children raised from more progressive parental thought.

Yeh, I understand that Kung Powe (and I encourage a lot of the silliness and have taken great pride in having her reading at a 4th or 5th grade level in 1st grade).

She's an incredibly smart and willful girl. We're in no way squelching her individuality, she just needs to know when enough is enough and when she's given a reminder of when to stop, she ignores it and carries on.  A lot of the obnoxious behavior is also being aimed in derogatory manner towards her sister.

I spend a lot of time engaged with my kids.   While I see what you're saying, I do believe there is a line a kid needs to know not to cross - be it old fashioned or not.  I've seen too many parents go the extreme direction of the way you mentioned and the kids end up being manipulative whiners.

There's a happy medium.
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Re: parenting test
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2009, 08:08:20 PM »

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"Parenting 101" - by Kung Powe Chicken.

Oh, shoot.  Sorry, this isnt the "Books that have trouble selling" thread.

My bad.

Re: parenting test
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2009, 11:42:35 AM »

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My 7 year old has been on a serious making obnoxious noises and comments spree of late.  A little here and there is one thing but the constant barrage is too much.  My wife gave the age old threat of washing her mouth out with soap if she made the horrible noise she's been repeatedly making again. 

She, of course, did do it again, and now the specter of carrying out the threat was right in front.  Now, we don't want to wash our child's mouth out with soap for real and she knows this. 

So my wife and I are discussing an alternative solution and our four year comes walking in with a big poop eating grin holding a container of liquid soap  ;D .

Anyhow, we ended up taking away her Webkinz for the weekend (she actually asked if she could get the soap in the mouth instead, so I knew we'd made a good choice).

Point is, there's a whole lot of adjusting and adapting on the fly parenting.  You can't always be a rock, because your kids are equal to the task.

Not sure where that falls under testing...


Instead of punishing or threatening a child (washing your mouth out with soap) for making some silly obnoxious remark, why not play with them and get them involved in an activity (play a board game, play hide and seek, play an instrument, play a sport), because surly all they want is your time.


Oh, and I wasn't criticizing you, just pointing out what I wish I would see with parenting in general off of your anecdote.


Life is short: Obnoxious remarks, swearing, fights, etc. are hardly worth sending a child to his room for. All any parent needs to make sure is that their child knows the difference between right and wrong. Then, you let the child decide and figure things out by themselves. Raising a moral child who knows the difference between right and wrong, and a child who has the thirst for knowledge is very easily accomplished without every "punishing" one. It just takes time and effort. Saying, "go to your room!" is incredibly old fashion and children raised from that school of thought will be easily wiped out intellectually by children raised from more progressive parental thought.

yes never punish your child for anything.  Let them do what they want.  Do they want to wear their bathing suit in the snow? go for it.  Poop on the walls? Hilarious! Put it on YouTube.  Children need boundaries and need to learn early that behaviors have consequences.  I'm not for corporal punishment, but loss of priviledges is not only reasonable but also realistic for when they enter school/the workforce and realize they can't do everything they want all the time. 

Also as a teacher, many of the kids I have who struggle do so because of permissive parents.  Statements like "I'm just not good at these types of questions" or "This isn't the type of course for me" instead of, "What can I do to be succesful?" or actually listening and responding to constructive criticism.  The best students are the ones who can honestly self-assess but also respond to feedback and failure.  If there is little structure at home, there will be no respect for the educational process. (PS intelligence/intellectual ability has little to do with how one is raised except in extreme cases p.p.s I love that the Baby Einstein has been proven to actually do damage to infants)
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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2009, 11:43:26 AM »

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"Parenting 101" - by Kung Powe Chicken.

Oh, shoot.  Sorry, this isnt the "Books that have trouble selling" thread.

My bad.

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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2009, 11:44:22 AM »

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PS Don't be friends with your kids, that's something else parents need to understand before they have them.  It's perfectly ok for them to like you, but you didn't have kids to expand your social circle
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