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Re: Iverson to retire? (merged)
« Reply #30 on: November 26, 2009, 12:31:57 AM »

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Re: Iverson to retire? (merged)
« Reply #31 on: November 26, 2009, 12:36:59 AM »

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Pity he had to leave on a somewhat sour note.
Whichever playoff team plans to pick him up better try sooner than later. I can't noticing lately how much rust affects older players when they get back to playing.
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Re: Iverson to retire? (merged)
« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2009, 12:52:13 AM »

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Pity he had to leave on a somewhat sour note.
Whichever playoff team plans to pick him up better try sooner than later. I can't noticing lately how much rust affects older players when they get back to playing.

I agree, (TP) ... this is a guy who deserves far more credit and respect than he's been given lately. I mean, over 24,000 career points, a career average of 27 PPG, 6.2 assists, 3.5 rebounds, 41.4 MPG, and 2.2 steals ... he is easily going to the HOF, and one of the greats, without a doubt. It's sad to watch how he's being shunned, whether you like him or not.
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Re: Iverson to retire? (merged)
« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2009, 01:05:28 AM »

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I would be very surprised if we have seen the last of AI.

God forbid we have an injury to Ray or Eddie. In that unfortunate event I see no reason why he couldn't come onboard with us. I believe he would be willing to fit in for a Championship run if we could incorporate him into our offense. I know there was discussion about him needing a lot of touches from Danny, but if either of those two went down he could get anywhere from 5 to 13 or so touches I believe.

If we have indeed seen the last of him I wish The Warrior the best.

Re: Iverson to retire? (merged)
« Reply #34 on: November 26, 2009, 06:36:52 AM »

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i hope the C's take a chance on him. sucks seeing one of ur favorite players retire early.

also, we can't compare him to Sam and Marbury. AI is 10X better than these guys. i think he can really help us if he does some thinking on his part and accept a role of the bench.

the only thing that this guy needs is a championship, needs to get his head together to complete an incredible career.

i also agree with kenny, it was unnecessary for the Knicks to say they won't take him. either sign him or shut up.


Re: Iverson to retire? (merged)
« Reply #35 on: November 26, 2009, 06:51:00 AM »

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I really think we should pick him up. Talent wise he's better than Marbury, he's also a less of a liablity than Marbury.. Barely  ;)

Pick him up!

Re: Iverson to retire? (merged)
« Reply #36 on: November 26, 2009, 07:16:02 AM »

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I really think we should pick him up. Talent wise he's better than Marbury, he's also a less of a liablity than Marbury.. Barely  ;)

Pick him up!
At least Starb' didn't quit on us during the season. AI just might.

Re: Iverson to retire? (merged)
« Reply #37 on: November 26, 2009, 10:04:20 AM »

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpqK7UgxWTg&feature=sub

feel the same way.
I disagree with Kenny's take.  To me, any also ran team that would sign him, like a Memphis or New York, does so as a marketing gimmick only.  He doesn't make them a contender, he's not part of any long term solution of moving toward contention.  He's a one year marketing gimmick only.

He only makes sense as a potential final piece to a championship puzzle for a contender that needs a spark off the bench.  But obviously there's tremendous baggage to be considered.  He's quit on a couple of teams already.

I was really suprised to find myself agreeing with Stephen A. Smith's take on Iverson, but he was spot on in this article:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/10431194/Answer-me-this:-How-bad-does-Iverson-want-it

Re: Iverson to retire? (merged)
« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2009, 10:51:09 AM »

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Mencius, if any also ran team signs Iverson for marketing purposes, why would they not play him 40 minutes per night?

Wouldn't they want to showcase their gimmick on the floor so fans can go to the games?

Having Iverson come off the bench isn't really helpful as a marketing ploy.

Saying you want to develop a team and Iverson gets in the way of that strategy, that's not a marketing ploy excuse or reason.

I actually believe a bad team is the perfect fit for Allen Iverson, so he can go out there and do A.I.'s thing.

Allen Iverson believed the same thing, which is why he talked with the Clippers, Bobcats and the Grizzlies.

Why else did Iverson sign with the Grizzlies? He was going to go there for 1 year, play as a starter, play big minutes and show the league he still had game left....which would hopefully lead to a bigger contract the following offseason with a higher caliber team.

A championship team, or a team looking for the "missing piece" is the team totally not the right fit for A.I.

Remember, Iverson is "The Answer", not "The Hint".

 

Re: Iverson to retire? (merged)
« Reply #39 on: November 26, 2009, 11:00:44 AM »

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I really think we should pick him up. Talent wise he's better than Marbury, he's also a less of a liablity than Marbury.. Barely  ;)

Pick him up!
At least Starb' didn't quit on us during the season. AI just might.


But the whole thing with Marb was it was ultra low risk because if it went bad we could just release him. The same situation would be there for Iverson on the Cs. We can only sign him for a minimum salary, so i don't see the risk.

The only risk is if we waited too long to pick him up because if it didn't work out you'd rather it happen nowish and then have time to readjust. If there is any thought of bringing AI in I would do it  now. See if it works. If not you can move on and still have time to make a move before the trading deadline. If it does work out, then you just have more time for all the guys to really figure out how to best play together.

I have definitely warmed to the idea.

Re: Iverson to retire? (merged)
« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2009, 11:27:30 AM »

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Mencius, if any also ran team signs Iverson for marketing purposes, why would they not play him 40 minutes per night?

This I agree with.  Makes no sense for an also ran to sign him and then not play him.  Perhaps Memphis plan was to play him a lot, but then he didn't play at all the entire preseason, and then immediately complained about minutes in his first game back from injury.  Two games later, he quit.  Not enough data to determine what, exactly, Memphis had intended with him.  To me, when you're a young developing team, the kind of vets you want to have around are solid professionials after whom the young guys can pattern themselves.  Not me first guys who only look to get their own.  At best, Iverson might have had a hot hand a few games over the season and won the team a couple extra games, which might be just enough to drop them a couple of lotto positions.

A guy like that is not a good professional for the youngins to pattern themselves after, but casual fans might be attracted to come to games just because of the name recognition.  And, him playing a lot of minutes on a young developing team just takes away development minutes from your young guys.  He really doesn't move your team any closer to a goal of becoming a championship contender.  He actually moves you slightly away from it, even if he actually wins you an extra game or two.  Hence, marketing gimmick.

On the other hand, on a true contender, with strong veteran leadership, he might, MIGHT, be inclined to accept a role, and be quite effective at it.  It's doubtful that he'd do that, as everybody has seen what he's about from day one... but only a team with a legit shot at a title now ought to even entertain the idea of bringing him in, and they'd have to have very clear signals from him that he knows what his role will be, embraces the notion fully, AND you have the backing of the move by your vet stars, coaches, GM, and ownership.  Those are long odds, so it's not likely to happen, but I still think that only for a contender does he make any sense in terms of actual basketball contributions. His window, like many old vets, is right now.  Going anywhere other than a team that has a possibility to win a championship this year does not contribute to that team moving closer to a championship.


Re: Iverson to retire? (merged)
« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2009, 12:26:34 PM »

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True, Iverson's hamstring injury did indeed set him back. Allen had to play catchup.

But the minutes problem was a two way street when the head coach and player don't communicate that blows up the frustration even more. I think this ultimately led to Iverson quitting, more so than the not playing a lot of minutes.

But we can only speculate what Memphis is trying to do. But based on recent events, there just really is no rhyme or reason as to what the Grizzlies are doing, if you ask me.

They sign Iverson and don't play him. They don't sign Rudy Gay to an extension. They cut Iverson, then sign Jamal Tinsley???

OK so part of your young core isn't signed for the future. You then say a problematic veteran has no place on our young team because he will hinder the growth of our youngsters, but then you go out and sign Jamal Tinsley??

Makes no sense.

Conley also seems to have regressed, and his play hasn't improved since Iverson left.

I guess, from the current standpoint, the Grizzlies are going to build around Marc Gasol and OJ Mayo.