Idea for Red Sox Trade for Mauer

[Vermont Green]

Off topic and off season, I know but I had this idea for a trade.

Victor Martinez and Clay Buchholz plus Prospect

for

Joe Mauer

Contingent on Mauer signing an extension with the Sox.  Then the Sox go out and buy a couple of pitchers this off season to replace Buchholz like for example Ben Sheets, Harden, Hudson, Pavano, (name your potential middle of the rotation pitcher).

I know the Twins only do this if they are sure they can't resign him which is probably a big "if".  It seems like a good deal for them still.  They lose their MVP catcher for an All-Star caliber catcher (with a good contract), a very solid young major league proven starter, and a reasonable prospect at a position they need (which I don't know but I am sure they could figure out).

[lon3lytoaster]

Changing the thread title would be a good idea..

[Vermont Green]

Changing the thread title would be a good idea..

I agree, my bad.

[lon3lytoaster]

Changing the thread title would be a good idea..

I agree, my bad.

It's all good, I just got extremely excited for a minute haha

[jambr380]

I guess we would go ahead and do it, but Minny would really have to be 100% sure they can't re-sign him.

The other thing is that I really like Victor Martinez and am not sure we really need to upgrade at the catcher position. My only question is, could we use Bucholz as the feature player in a trade for someone like A. Gonzalez or F. Hernandez? If so, I guess we remain where we are this year and if we really wanted Mauer, we go for him next year and attempt to beat out the Yankees (although this never seems to happen).

On a totally unrelated subject, does anyone else feel we should try to sign Holliday over Bay? Since Bay rejected the 4yr/60mill, I say good riddance. That is already too high for a questionable outfielder and a below average batting average.

[nickagneta]

To trade for Mauer the Sox would have to empty the farm system. There is zero chance that a Martinez, Buchholz and one other prospect package is going to land you the home boy, face of the Twins franchise, best catcher in baseball, AL MVP. Not gonna happen.

[yall hate]

To trade for Mauer the Sox would have to empty the farm system. There is zero chance that a Martinez, Buchholz and one other prospect package is going to land you the home boy, face of the Twins franchise, best catcher in baseball, AL MVP. Not gonna happen.

exactly.

no chance

[jambr380]

To trade for Mauer the Sox would have to empty the farm system. There is zero chance that a Martinez, Buchholz and one other prospect package is going to land you the home boy, face of the Twins franchise, best catcher in baseball, AL MVP. Not gonna happen.

exactly.

no chance

Well, they got rid of multiple Cy Young winner Johan Santana, so I would never say never- especially since Mauer's contract is almost over and they risk losing him for nothing.

I personally think that the Twins should definitely jump at this deal if offered to them (depending on the prospect). As a Red Sox fan, knowing we can offer Mauer almost anything next year, I am not so sure I go for it and use my resources elsewhere. Martinez is a very good catcher. He is not our problem right now...

[nickagneta]

To trade for Mauer the Sox would have to empty the farm system. There is zero chance that a Martinez, Buchholz and one other prospect package is going to land you the home boy, face of the Twins franchise, best catcher in baseball, AL MVP. Not gonna happen.

exactly.

no chance

Well, they got rid of multiple Cy Young winner Johan Santana, so I would never say never- especially since Mauer's contract is almost over and they risk losing him for nothing.

I personally think that the Twins should definitely jump at this deal if offered to them (depending on the prospect). As a Red Sox fan, knowing we can offer Mauer almost anything next year, I am not so sure I go for it and use my resources elsewhere. Martinez is a very good catcher. He is not our problem right now...

Minnesota is opening a new park in 2011 and will need a major draw. What better draw than the AL MVP hero, best catcher in the game that just so happens to be from Minnesota. They are not going to let him go and if they do it would probably have to cost the Red Sox Buchholz, Bard, Lars Anderson, Josh Reddick and Junichi Tazawa. Minimum.

That's basically the entire future for the next 4-8 years for Mauer. Not sure the Sox would do it and I'm not sure the Twins would take that package. But what I am sure of is that the package in the OP would be instantly rejected.

[winsomme]

To trade for Mauer the Sox would have to empty the farm system. There is zero chance that a Martinez, Buchholz and one other prospect package is going to land you the home boy, face of the Twins franchise, best catcher in baseball, AL MVP. Not gonna happen.

exactly.

no chance

Well, they got rid of multiple Cy Young winner Johan Santana, so I would never say never- especially since Mauer's contract is almost over and they risk losing him for nothing.

I personally think that the Twins should definitely jump at this deal if offered to them (depending on the prospect). As a Red Sox fan, knowing we can offer Mauer almost anything next year, I am not so sure I go for it and use my resources elsewhere. Martinez is a very good catcher. He is not our problem right now...

Minnesota is opening a new park in 2011 and will need a major draw. What better draw than the AL MVP hero, best catcher in the game that just so happens to be from Minnesota. They are not going to let him go and if they do it would probably have to cost the Red Sox Buchholz, Bard, Lars Anderson, Josh Reddick and Junichi Tazawa. Minimum.

That's basically the entire future for the next 4-8 years for Mauer. Not sure the Sox would do it and I'm not sure the Twins would take that package. But what I am sure of is that the package in the OP would be instantly rejected.

the only sustainable draw is a winning team. just look at the struggling Padres with their new stadium and their 4th and 5th place finishes.

If Mauer takes a huge hometown discount, then it could work, but if not, then how does Minny sustain a roster that is top heavy with big salaries to Morneau (14 mil), Nathan (11 mil), and now Mauer (20 mil)...

that's 45 mil to three players on a team that had a total payroll of 65 million.

I agree that the last thing Minny wants to do is lose Mauer, however. but I think they have some tricky manuvering ahead of them.

One player discussed on The Hub today was Cabrerra. What does everybody think of trading for him....?

[winsomme]

what's the deal with Liriano? Is he a FA?

[Chris]

Get compromising pictures of the Minnesota GM.  That probably won't even do it, but it really is the only chance they have.

[Vermont Green]

The idea of trading Mauer comes down to one simple thing for the Twins; can they resign him.  Mega stars are getting traded these days under these types of situations; Teixeira, Santana, Sabathia, Lee, and even A-Rod, just to name a few.  I am not sure where the certainty that he won't be traded is coming from.

I can understand the point that we don't need a catcher so why trade for Mauer.  I just feel this is a worthwhile upgrade.  Buchholz and a prospect or even 2 can be replaced.  Mauer can anchor the Sox for years.  In a way, I actually hope the Twins find a way to keep him but my fear is he is headed to the Yankees after this year.

I still say this is good value for the Twins and keeps them competitive, maybe even more competitive, and they are all players the Twins can actually afford to keep around for a few years.

[nickagneta]

The idea of trading Mauer comes down to one simple thing for the Twins; can they resign him.  Mega stars are getting traded these days under these types of situations; Teixeira, Santana, Sabathia, Lee, and even A-Rod, just to name a few.  I am not sure where the certainty that he won't be traded is coming from.

I can understand the point that we don't need a catcher so why trade for Mauer.  I just feel this is a worthwhile upgrade.  Buchholz and a prospect or even 2 can be replaced.  Mauer can anchor the Sox for years.  In a way, I actually hope the Twins find a way to keep him but my fear is he is headed to the Yankees after this year.

I still say this is good value for the Twins and keeps them competitive, maybe even more competitive, and they are all players the Twins can actually afford to keep around for a few years.

Sorry, but it's not good value. It's not even close to good value. It isn't even in the same zip code as good value.

If the Twins decide they can't afford Mauer, which will not happen, they WILL over spend for him even if it means trading Morneau, when they put out feelers for what they want for him, you are going to be looking at 4-5 top of the line prospects or young major leaguers under financial control for years. Martinex, Buchholz and another prospect isn't near enough.

[Vermont Green]

Sorry, but it's not good value. It's not even close to good value. It isn't even in the same zip code as good value.

This is the Teixeira trade:

Rangers sent Teixeira and reliever Ron Mahay to the Braves for catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Minor League shortstop Elvis Andrus and pitchers Matt Harrison, Neftali Feliz and Beau Jones

This is just one example based on the assumption that Tex and Mauer are in the same zip code in terms of MVP calibar talent.  That was in 2007.  No one in that trade going to Texas is in the zip code of Clay or Victor.  Why would Mauer draw dramatically more value than Teixeira (plus Mahay) did?