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Random thought of the day
« on: November 22, 2009, 01:37:32 PM »

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because the super off topic threads intimidate me for some reason.

Do you think Brandon Jennings learned some Italian in Rome last year? I'm going with "probably just enough to go to McDonals, but nowhere near enough to get in a cab, go shopping, or ask a chick out".  It's just my guess and I hope I'm wrong.

Re: Random thought of the day
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2009, 02:23:23 PM »

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He should know some basics, especially since Italy as a whole is a pretty exclusive country.  For example, in the Italian League in soccer, a big percentage of the players are Italian which is different from Spanish, English League.  Something that is pretty random, Kobe Bryant speaks Italian pretty well since he went to school there.
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2009, 03:30:00 PM »

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That's a good question. And who'd he hang out with? Did he have enough money to rent a place and get tickets for his posse? did he make a friend learn italian over the summer to be group interpreter?

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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2009, 03:36:54 PM »

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He learned a few words, mostly swearing and some very basic stuff.

Jennings was in Italy to do a job, at his job English was the language used, so there's not much of a point (or time) to learn the local language. No different than most of the others American basketball player. In Jennings case, the incentives were even less, as he'd be back to the US in a few months, his team was in the EL so they were always travelling and he's a workaholic - not much of a social life outside of the gym.

Why do you think it's that difficult to call a cab in Italy, btw?

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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2009, 03:37:58 PM »

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He should know some basics, especially since Italy as a whole is a pretty exclusive country.  For example, in the Italian League in soccer, a big percentage of the players are Italian which is different from Spanish, English League.  Something that is pretty random, Kobe Bryant speaks Italian pretty well since he went to school there.
Amonkey I was thinking the exact same thing. he may have totally dropped the ball on being able to speak to Kobe in a secret language that only about 40million people understand

Re: Random thought of the day
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2009, 03:38:13 PM »

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He should know some basics, especially since Italy as a whole is a pretty exclusive country.

In what sense?

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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2009, 03:40:11 PM »

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He learned a few words, mostly swearing and some very basic stuff.

Jennings was in Italy to do a job, at his job English was the language used, so there's not much of a point (or time) to learn the local language. No different than most of the others American basketball player. In Jennings case, the incentives were even less, as he'd be back to the US in a few months, his team was in the EL so they were always travelling and he's a workaholic - not much of a social life outside of the gym.

Why do you think it's that difficult to call a cab in Italy, btw?
Not call a cab, but tell them where to go. I have experience with this, and I'm not talking about getting a cab in NYC where the driver often has some name like Osama Bin Laden, whose daughter usually goes to Harvard. Although I've done that too

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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2009, 12:01:14 PM »

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He should know some basics, especially since Italy as a whole is a pretty exclusive country.

In what sense?

As in the example I provided in the next sentence.  From what I've heard, the Italians are proud people.  In their soccer league they consist of a lot of Italians, compared to Spanish and English leagues who are very diverse and they try to get people other countries as long as they have the talent.  Please, correct me if I am wrong, but I think in the Italian League they have a rule that you can only have an X amount of international players in a team.  If you play with a mostly Italian players, you should get some very basic Italian, such as where is the bathroom, how much something cost, what you want to do tonight, pass me the ball, that kind of stuff.
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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2009, 12:53:00 PM »

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He should know some basics, especially since Italy as a whole is a pretty exclusive country.

In what sense?

As in the example I provided in the next sentence.  From what I've heard, the Italians are proud people.  In their soccer league they consist of a lot of Italians, compared to Spanish and English leagues who are very diverse and they try to get people other countries as long as they have the talent.  Please, correct me if I am wrong, but I think in the Italian League they have a rule that you can only have an X amount of international players in a team.  If you play with a mostly Italian players, you should get some very basic Italian, such as where is the bathroom, how much something cost, what you want to do tonight, pass me the ball, that kind of stuff.

I frankly have no idea if Italians are more or less proud than other people. From my experience as someone who speaks very little Italian, it's easier to find English speakers among Italians than in countries like France or Spain, for example (though more difficult than in, say, Scandinavia). I think this is mostly due to sociological/historical reasons than due to national pride.

What you say about soccer was the exact opposite 15 or 20 years ago, when the Italian League was filled with foreign players and imports were a rarity in English football. Check this article, for example:
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-12378451.html

Things changed mostly due to economic factors: Serie A is now less powerful from a financial perspective than Premier League and La Liga. I don't think there are any kind of quotas in the Italian League besides the ones imposed in the UEFA competitions (the 6+4 rule). The difference you see is about money, not national pride whatsoever.

That said, Jennings was playing basketball, not soccer, and there things are completely different. Even though almost every European league has quotas to foreign players - in many cases only applicable to non-European players: the goal is to enforce a limitation to the number of American players, otherwise many teams would fill their rosters with Americans leaving no space to the national talent - you'd be hard pressed to find a top basketball team in Europe (or even a not so top one) where English isn't the language used in the gym 99% of the time - during practices, time-outs, in the locker-room, etc. For example, in Jennings team the coach was Croatian, the developmental coach was Serbian, one of the assistants was Spaniard, Jennings had 3 American teammates, plus Brezec and Becirovic who aren't Italians either. It'd be unthinkable for all these people to try to communicate in Italian (or in German if they were playing in Germany, etc). English is, for obvious reasons, "the language of basketball". A pick-and-roll is a pick-and-roll everywhere, I'm not even sure how to translate it to my native language. Finding an Italian pro-basketball player who doesn't speak English nowadays would be close to impossible. Maybe you can find some exceptions to this in some Balkan countries, especially those from former Yugoslavia, but that's all. Certainly not in the Italian League, the most "Americanized" of the European Leagues, from the style of play to the coaching influences. So, no, there were no professional reasons for Jennings to learn the Italian languages - in his job the language used was exclusively the English one.
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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2009, 01:29:45 PM »

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He should know some basics, especially since Italy as a whole is a pretty exclusive country.

In what sense?

As in the example I provided in the next sentence.  From what I've heard, the Italians are proud people.  In their soccer league they consist of a lot of Italians, compared to Spanish and English leagues who are very diverse and they try to get people other countries as long as they have the talent.  Please, correct me if I am wrong, but I think in the Italian League they have a rule that you can only have an X amount of international players in a team.  If you play with a mostly Italian players, you should get some very basic Italian, such as where is the bathroom, how much something cost, what you want to do tonight, pass me the ball, that kind of stuff.

I frankly have no idea if Italians are more or less proud than other people. From my experience as someone who speaks very little Italian, it's easier to find English speakers among Italians than in countries like France or Spain, for example (though more difficult than in, say, Scandinavia). I think this is mostly due to sociological/historical reasons than due to national pride.

What you say about soccer was the exact opposite 15 or 20 years ago, when the Italian League was filled with foreign players and imports were a rarity in English football. Check this article, for example:
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-12378451.html

Things changed mostly due to economic factors: Serie A is now less powerful from a financial perspective than Premier League and La Liga. I don't think there are any kind of quotas in the Italian League besides the ones imposed in the UEFA competitions (the 6+4 rule). The difference you see is about money, not national pride whatsoever.

That said, Jennings was playing basketball, not soccer, and there things are completely different. Even though almost every European league has quotas to foreign players - in many cases only applicable to non-European players: the goal is to enforce a limitation to the number of American players, otherwise many teams would fill their rosters with Americans leaving no space to the national talent - you'd be hard pressed to find a top basketball team in Europe (or even a not so top one) where English isn't the language used in the gym 99% of the time - during practices, time-outs, in the locker-room, etc. For example, in Jennings team the coach was Croatian, the developmental coach was Serbian, one of the assistants was Spaniard, Jennings had 3 American teammates, plus Brezec and Becirovic who aren't Italians either. It'd be unthinkable for all these people to try to communicate in Italian (or in German if they were playing in Germany, etc). English is, for obvious reasons, "the language of basketball". A pick-and-roll is a pick-and-roll everywhere, I'm not even sure how to translate it to my native language. Finding an Italian pro-basketball player who doesn't speak English nowadays would be close to impossible. Maybe you can find some exceptions to this in some Balkan countries, especially those from former Yugoslavia, but that's all. Certainly not in the Italian League, the most "Americanized" of the European Leagues, from the style of play to the coaching influences. So, no, there were no professional reasons for Jennings to learn the Italian languages - in his job the language used was exclusively the English one.

You are probably right.  I was basing my theories from secondhand information.  From what my uncle has said, who lives in Italy for quite some time, is that the mainstream Italian are very proud people and they do not like to mix with immigrants/international members.  Of course, I am pretty sure that Jennings was not messing around with mainstream Italians in the first place anyway.  Thanks for your insight (and plese, point me out to any misconception I may have, I live for discussions about cultural differences amongst different countries).
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« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2009, 09:30:05 PM »

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It's Native American History Month 2009, and I watched a PBS documentary the other day and it occurred to me that maybe the Trail of Tears is called that not because of the tears of the people that went through it, but because of our tears when we read or are read to from the paper trail left behind about what happened.


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« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2009, 09:35:31 PM »

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because the super off topic threads intimidate me for some reason.

Do you think Brandon Jennings learned some Italian in Rome last year? I'm going with "probably just enough to go to McDonals, but nowhere near enough to get in a cab, go shopping, or ask a chick out".  It's just my guess and I hope I'm wrong.

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Re: Random thought of the day
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2009, 02:24:30 PM »

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So this morn on Good Morning America (I think) in order they dedicated about 15 mins to discussing the Nobel Peace Prize that Obama was about to get, then 20 mins to Tiger, then 12 mins to Cocker Spaniels (something about a problem with the breed...is it animal cruelty?) then I flip the station and see Obama actually giving the speech live and I have no idea how much I missed.

Priorities people.