We Are Too Old

[nickagneta]

Wasn't the Michael Jordan Bulls of the second trifecta older than this group? At the end of their fourth championship the main players for that group was

Michael Jordan  33 years old
Scottie Pippen  31 years old
Dennis Rodman   35 years old
Ron Harper      32 years old
Steve Kerr      31 years old
Bill Wennington 33 years old

Now add two years to that to get how old these players were when they won their last championship in 1998:

Michael Jordan  35 years old
Scottie Pippen  33 years old
Dennis Rodman   37 years old
Ron Harper      34 years old
Steve Kerr      33 years old
Bill Wennington 35 years old

Now let's look at how old our players will be come this June:

Paul Pierce        33 years old
Kevin Garnett      34 years old
Ray Allen          34 years old
Rasheed Wallace    35 years old
Eddie House        32 years old
Kendrick Perkins   25 years old
Rajon Rondo        24 years old
Marquis Daniels    29 years old

I don't think we are too old at all. I think we probably have this year and at least next year to be championship contenders before our core of stars gets old. But even then, our young stars might be ready then to take over and allow the stars to take secondary roles and still be championship competitive.

[Eric_Suede]

Only game that I can look to and say we were thoroughly outplayed was the hawks game. As for the other losses, again Turn your attention to the 3 point percentages in those games. In other words as far as i'm concerned only guys that should be shooting 3's are house,allen and occasionally pierce. If you're 6'10 & up (cough,cough Rasheed) you step a few feet within the line and hit midrange jumpers. If we do that, you guys will see the difference. Again no need to panic and for the Love of God , absolutely no need to do anything foolish like dump our talent in favor of youth.

I don't know. threes are a big part of Sheed's game. when they're hitting, it spaces the floor opening things up for penetration from PP, Daniels, and Rondo.

maybe a little more balance, but i don't think you can remove that from his game.

Ok how about "limiting" his 3's. lol I'm not saying he should be in the paint all day. He can still space the floor (as does KG with his long-range jumper) by stepping a few feet in. That's all i'm saying, He can shoot J's but we need a better percentage shots. Again look at the box score of the losses , then look at the 3pt percentage , i'm telling you I guess we got a little high of early success when they were blowing teams out the gym that we've developed the coach o'brien syndrome.

[Rondo_is_better]

Wasn't the Michael Jordan Bulls of the second trifecta older than this group? At the end of their fourth championship the main players for that group was

Michael Jordan  33 years old
Scottie Pippen  31 years old
Dennis Rodman   35 years old
Ron Harper      32 years old
Steve Kerr      31 years old
Bill Wennington 33 years old

Now add two years to that to get how old these players were when they won their last championship in 1998:

Michael Jordan  35 years old
Scottie Pippen  33 years old
Dennis Rodman   37 years old
Ron Harper      34 years old
Steve Kerr      33 years old
Bill Wennington 35 years old

Now let's look at how old our players will be come this June:

Paul Pierce        33 years old
Kevin Garnett      34 years old
Ray Allen          34 years old
Rasheed Wallace    35 years old
Eddie House        32 years old
Kendrick Perkins   25 years old
Rajon Rondo        24 years old
Marquis Daniels    29 years old

I don't think we are too old at all. I think we probably have this year and at least next year to be championship contenders before our core of stars gets old. But even then, our young stars might be ready then to take over and allow the stars to take secondary roles and still be championship competitive.

The league was much weaker when those Bulls teams were winning, and MJ was the best player of all time. He was scoring 20 ppg for the Wizards when he was 40 years old. I don't think the comparison fits because there are too many variables other than age that were set in favor of the Bulls that are set against us right now.

But even though I don't agree with the comparison, I don't think we're too old.... I hope we're not too old.... I pray we're not too old.... We'll see if we're too old.

 Only time will tell.

[nickagneta]

The league was much weaker when those Bulls teams were winning, and MJ was the best player of all time. He was scoring 20 ppg for the Wizards when he was 40 years old. I don't think the comparison fits because there are too many variables other than age that were set in favor of the Bulls that are set against us right now.

Like what?

[Eric_Suede]

The league was much weaker when those Bulls teams were winning, and MJ was the best player of all time. He was scoring 20 ppg for the Wizards when he was 40 years old. I don't think the comparison fits because there are too many variables other than age that were set in favor of the Bulls that are set against us right now.

Like what?

exactly! Like what? there were some excellent teams then. Like the Sonics , Jazz, the Pacers had a good squad, The Spurs were on the up & up, Knicks... I mean I agree with nick, this isn't boxing. I don't think you can point to a "weak" era at all in the last 20+ years. Maybe the 50's & 60's were weak. Or a case can be made for those few years in the 90's (after jordan retired the first time) when they moved the 3pt line closer , then all of a sudden you had a barrage of "deadly" 3pt shooters, but other than that I don't see how you can say that.

[cornbreadsmart]

the 90's absolutely was a wesk decade of hoops. i think the talentr level is at its highest ever overall now.

[nickagneta]

the 90's absolutely was a wesk decade of hoops. i think the talentr level is at its highest ever overall now.

Really

Boston: Bird, McHale, Parish, Walton, DJ, Ainge
Lakers: Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Rambis, Cooper, Scott, Lucas
Philly: Barkley, Cheeks, Erving, Malone, Jones, MacAdoo, Toney
Bucks: Moncrief, Pressey, Pierce, Hodges, Cummings, Lister
Hawks: Wilkins, Willis, Rivers, Levingston, Webb, Whitman
Pistons: Thomas, Mahorn, Laimbbeer, Dumars, Johnson, Benson
Rockets: Olajuwan, Sampson, Reid, Lucas, lloyd, McCray
Mavs: Aguirre, Blackman, Davis, Donaldson, Ellis, Perkins, Schremph
Nuggets: English, Lever, Natt
Jazz: Dantley, Malone, Stockton, Eaton, Bailey, Green

This is 1986. Go back to the 60's and you will find that each team had like 2-3 Hall of Famers, minimum, on their teams with some having 4-5.

There's a lot of talent in this league but it's fairly widespread with much of it being extremely young and badly influenced by the Michael Jordan, one on one style of basketball that makes teams worse instead of better.

I think the C's are plenty young enough to win multiple championships in this "young and deeply talented" league because I don't find the average good team in this league to be all that deep or talented.

[LB3533]

I think this team isn't too old.

I think what's happening is the players are waiting....

...for KG to return to form....

...for Rondo to start leading the way for realz....

...for their defense to carry them to wins instead of actually playing on both sides of the ball...

People can keep saying that it's still early, but it's time to start it up and go get it.

No more time to wait.

[vinnie]

To me it is less the age than the number of years and the type of years put in by the big three. Garnett is an old 33 or 34, whatever he is. This is is 15th season and he is a big guy who has taken a lot of pounding on his body. Pierce has gotten beaten up big time in his career always taking the ball to the hoop and I wonder what kind of toll that takes on a player. In my opinion, Ray is in the best shape of the three guys and he is the guy that for the most part of his career has stayed outside and taken jump shots. As for Wallace, he simply looks like he needs to be in better shape, but again, a guy that big I think loses it a little faster than a smaller guy. So, maybe not so much age, but wear and tear on the body is what worries me. I think the Celts still have a window this year, but it is a slight window. I see no way this team has a shot at multiple championships.

[nickagneta]

I think this team isn't too old.

I think what's happening is the players are waiting....

...for KG to return to form....

...for Rondo to start leading the way for realz....

...for their defense to carry them to wins instead of actually playing on both sides of the ball...

People can keep saying that it's still early, but it's time to start it up and go get it.

No more time to wait.

TP. This is pretty much they way I see things.

[Casperian]

It`s still too early to tell, but it doesn`t look good, and my feeling is it won`t change. We are indeed old. But maybe not too old. There`s still hope that a healthy KG can lead this team back to it`s old form.

[Bankshot]

Baby will save us when he get back! 

[housecall]

I don't think we are to old...we need KG and Ray to score more pts. consistently...if they are not scoring 18 plus pts on a nightly basis,then a couple of bench guys has to come up bigger each night until KG and Ray get on track.I don't see defense being big problem at the moment,but periods of low scoring vs opponents. 

[moiso]

I'm not sure how much more "into his old form" KG can get.  His knee doesn't look like it's bothering him too much right now.  He probably won't be quite the player that he was two years ago, and definitely not the guy from the wolves.  I kind of think what we see is what we are going to get from KG.

[PosImpos]

This team lacks a leader.  We lack a player that we can really count on to be our best player each night. 

Ray, Pierce, and KG all used to be guys who could do that, but now they are either too old or too unfocused to do that.  You can't rely on any one of them to take over a game when necessary. 

Rondo, as the future of this franchise, ought to be able to do that.  But he isn't doing that, and I'm starting to wonder if he can.  Does he have the mentality to be the alpha dog?  Does he have the mentality to be the emotional and mental center of the team?  Because I think that's what we're lacking.

Teams like the Lakers, the Magic, the Cavs, and now even the Hawks - they have a leader.  They have a guy who they can count on. 

The Celtics used to seem so deadly because they had THREE guys like that.  Now it seems like they don't have any.  They just have a starting lineup filled with a good deal of talent. 

We need a superstar.  I'm not sure that we have one anymore.