Is It Time To Trade Ray Allen?

[Roy Hobbs]

I'd be in favor of taking on any deals that end on or before 2012 (KG's last year) if it makes us better.

That's the thing.  Very few Ray Allen trades make us better.

Having 20 million of our budget tied up in a guy like Ray (no D, solid, if uninspiring offense) is not that good.

Defensive statistics are always tricky, but opposing SGs only have a 11.6 PER, and are shooting 41.9%, when guarded by Ray.  He leads the team in plus-minus by a very wide margin (he's +110, the next closest player is Rasheed at +77.)

[Brickowski]

Frankly I'm not interested in getting better.  I'm interested in getting younger.  The problem is, Ray makes so much money that very few trades make sense.  If I could get Kirilenko plus a first rounder, I would do it.

[More Banners]

He looks really, really good playing with the second unit.  Defensively, he's lost a step, period.  Joe Johnson, Iguodala, Ben Gordon, etc. would smoke him like a salmon in a series at this point.

I like the 3 wing rotation of Quisy, Paul, and Ray, but Quisy should be getting more minutes there defending the #1 opposing scorer.  This is what we give up without a backup PG...

Still, there's no saying Ray or Quisy will be back next year, and given how many teams will be looking to make a big FA signing, what their price will be.  We could end up with a window of just this year, since we'd only have the MLE to spend in a summer of big spenders to replace both of them.  So it would make sense to trade for the right package of rotation guys that will be A) in their prime, and B)signed through KG's last year. 

Not a trade machine guy, but I'd imagine the Wizards, Bobcats, Detriot, and Milwaukee might be worth talking to.

I'd still take a chance on keeping both Ray and Quisy, but switching roles, if they both expressed wanting to do it at around the right money.

[Vermont Green]

I think it is clear that the main reason that Ray Allen comes up in a lot of trade ideas is that he is the only asset we have that could realistically get back some first team value.  It is hard to believe that something would happen but if the right trade where on the table, I would not consider Ray untouchable.  Same goes for Rondo (I would do Rondo and Allen for Chris Paul for example and I think the team would be immediately better for it, or at least when CP3 is back from injury).

[housecall]

this thread sounds like a knee-jerk reaction... down in May and June when Ray is hitting game winning 3's or having a 30,40pt.night ,you will have forgotten this slump happened.

[Fan from VT]

this thread sounds like a knee-jerk reaction... down in May and June when Ray is hitting game winning 3's or having a 30,40pt.night ,you will have forgotten this slump happened.

Ray's had 6 30 pt games since joining the celtics. none over 40. don't really see that happening.

[Roy Hobbs]

this thread sounds like a knee-jerk reaction... down in May and June when Ray is hitting game winning 3's or having a 30,40pt.night ,you will have forgotten this slump happened.

Ray's had 6 30 pt games since joining the celtics. none over 40. don't really see that happening.

Except the 51 point game in the playoffs, you mean?

Also, he's had nine regular season games (and one other playoff game) of 30+ points, three in the championship season, and six last year.

Also, he's certainly hit his share of big shots and game winners.

[Brickowski]

He's not having any more 30+ point games against good teams.  Those games were yesterday.  This is now.

[Roy Hobbs]

He's not having any more 30+ point games against good teams.  Those games were yesterday.  This is now.

So, you think Ray, in one summer, went from being capable of putting up 51, to being somebody who is incapable of scoring 30? 

I guess, since we're only looking at performance to date, Paul Pierce isn't capable of scoring 30 anymore, either.  Rondo will never score 20 again (since he hasn't done it yet this year), as well.

[greg_kite]

Watching the game last night it seemed like Ray was the only one playing "the right way".  He was playing hard, taking it to the hoop, posting up when he had an advantage and not forcing threes.  If everyone played as smart as Ray did last night they would have won the game.  The last thing this team needs right now is to trade Ray Allen.

[ToppersBsktball10]

Yes and no, but no first.

[Fan from VT]

this thread sounds like a knee-jerk reaction... down in May and June when Ray is hitting game winning 3's or having a 30,40pt.night ,you will have forgotten this slump happened.

Ray's had 6 30 pt games since joining the celtics. none over 40. don't really see that happening.

Except the 51 point game in the playoffs, you mean?

Also, he's had nine regular season games (and one other playoff game) of 30+ points, three in the championship season, and six last year.

Also, he's certainly hit his share of big shots and game winners.

The original poster made it seem like it's just a matter of time before Ray goes on a streak of 30 point games. He had six 30 point games during all of the regular season last year. If we're banking on 30 point games from Ray down the line, we're in trouble.

[jambr380]

He's not having any more 30+ point games against good teams.  Those games were yesterday.  This is now.

So, you think Ray, in one summer, went from being capable of putting up 51, to being somebody who is incapable of scoring 30? 

I guess, since we're only looking at performance to date, Paul Pierce isn't capable of scoring 30 anymore, either.  Rondo will never score 20 again (since he hasn't done it yet this year), as well.

I love when Roy gets sarcastic 

[twinbree]

No. I love Ray. Sentimentality aside he's looking good from what I've seen so far. Looks similar on defense and better on offense even with the low 3 pt shooting. He's in amazing shape, is much more aggressive on offense, being versatile in his scoring, making good use of mis-matches, doing a great job when playing with the bench unit, shooting efficiently, making his FTs and spreading the floor. I doubt there's any trade which will make us better that the other team will agree to.
 

[housecall]

this thread sounds like a knee-jerk reaction... down in May and June when Ray is hitting game winning 3's or having a 30,40pt.night ,you will have forgotten this slump happened.

Ray's had 6 30 pt games since joining the celtics. none over 40. don't really see that happening.

Except the 51 point game in the playoffs, you mean?

Also, he's had nine regular season games (and one other playoff game) of 30+ points, three in the championship season, and six last year.

Also, he's certainly hit his share of big shots and game winners.

The original poster made it seem like it's just a matter of time before Ray goes on a streak of 30 point games. He had six 30 point games during all of the regular season last year. If we're banking on 30 point games from Ray down the line, we're in trouble.

thats not what im saying at all..you are reading more into it...i said "a"30,40pt.game(single).Stop trying to make something more out of something than what is written,geez