Could The C's Really Acquire Kevin Martin?

[CelticG1]

I don't see how Sacramento trades Martin for salary relief, BBD, and a pick at the end of the first round. He's worth much more than that.

Think back a couple of years ago do you think you might have been saying:

"I don't see how Memphis trades Gasol for salary relief, the rights to his brother Marc and a pick at the end of the first round. He's worth much more than that."
 
At the very least our salary relief is one of the greatest outside shooters in NBA history and an All-Star two years ago and not Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittendon and Aaron McKie.

Ray's been an all-star the past 2 years (maybe more) stop short selling him  .... It was last year that he should have got the MVP right?

[guava_wrench]

I don't see how Sacramento trades Martin for salary relief, BBD, and a pick at the end of the first round. He's worth much more than that.

Think back a couple of years ago do you think you might have been saying:

"I don't see how Memphis trades Gasol for salary relief, the rights to his brother Marc and a pick at the end of the first round. He's worth much more than that."
 
At the very least our salary relief is one of the greatest outside shooters in NBA history and an All-Star two years ago and not Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittendon and Aaron McKie.

Gasol was clearly being shopped and there were issues with him in Memphis. Not the same thing in Sac.

Memphis also went into decline after having made the playoffs, leading to fans not caring for Gasol. Sac loves Martin.

[xmuscularghandix]

I understand that the NBA is a business and its all about the future.... but i can't banish Ray Allen to Sacramento after he helped with a championship.

I really can't see him going anywhere because of the UCONNection. I'd love to see his career end in New England.

[LB3533]

This other K-Mart gets hurt too often, just like the original one.

[steve]

Ray's contract is valuable.  I think in this market a team like Sac would want that expiring contract over players.  Also it doesn't sound as bad as if it was like Mark Blount's expiring contract.  The owner can say, "yeah we had to dump salary but we got HOF Ray Allen"

So I think Sac would do it.  But I wonder if Pierce and Garnet would feel raw about it to the point where chemistry is shot. 

Also we lose any shot at making a splash in the off season.  I'd rather have Ray for this year and the shot at a Bosh type next year than Martin.       

[PosImpos]

Ray's contract is valuable.  I think in this market a team like Sac would want that expiring contract over players.  Also it doesn't sound as bad as if it was like Mark Blount's expiring contract.  The owner can say, "yeah we had to dump salary but we got HOF Ray Allen"

So I think Sac would do it.  But I wonder if Pierce and Garnet would feel raw about it to the point where chemistry is shot. 

Also we lose any shot at making a splash in the off season.  I'd rather have Ray for this year and the shot at a Bosh type next year than Martin.       

We're not going to make a "splash" in the offseason regardless of what we do, unless we were gonna pull of some kind of sign and trade involving one of the Big 3.

[KG_ended_Bias]

I really dont get too enamored with guys who score BIG points on bad teams with not even as much as a legit #2 scorer. That means he has the green light to gun! And honestly speaking if Ray Allen was on that poor Sacremento team, he may average more points than Martin while being more efficient if he got the same amount of touches * shots. Ray is the better player but you can only do so much on a team where you are only getting 15 shots a game tops. Pierce is only getting 12-15 shots these days because we spread the wealth. So lets just keep Walter Ray!

[PosImpos]

I really dont get too enamored with guys who score BIG points on bad teams with not even as much as a legit #2 scorer. That means he has the green light to gun! And honestly speaking if Ray Allen was on that poor Sacremento team, he may average more points than Martin while being more efficient if he got the same amount of touches * shots. Ray is the better player but you can only do so much on a team where you are only getting 15 shots a game tops. Pierce is only getting 12-15 shots these days because we spread the wealth. So lets just keep Walter Ray!

I really doubt Ray is better than K-Mart at this point in his career...maybe a bit better at catch-and-shoot 3 point shooting...and probably a bit better at free throws.  K-Mart can get to the basket and the free throw line much better than Ray Allen. 

While he's the #1 scoring option on a Sac team with no real #2, he's also a very efficient player.  He has had very good shooting % the last few years, and good PER numbers as well despite having such a high usage rate.

By contrast, for example, Tyreke Evans is not nearly as efficient and has a much lower EFG% despite taking over Martin's role on the team. 

The only real knocks against Martin are that he tends to get injured for at least a couple months each season and he isn't known for being a very physical player, especially on defense.  He's just very fast and agile - good at getting to the basket, drawing fouls, and shooting.  He's a finesse player, which is why he plays SG even though he's 6'7'' and very lanky.

I believe Martin would put up at least 20 points on whatever team you put him on, unless he were really surrounded with a ton of scoring options.

[Tnerb02]

My guess is Sacramento would want to package Beno instead of Nocioni if that's the case. Nocioni would be easier to move than Udrih. I could see a team like the Cavs giving up expirings for Noc.

[steve]

Ray's contract is valuable.  I think in this market a team like Sac would want that expiring contract over players.  Also it doesn't sound as bad as if it was like Mark Blount's expiring contract.  The owner can say, "yeah we had to dump salary but we got HOF Ray Allen"

So I think Sac would do it.  But I wonder if Pierce and Garnet would feel raw about it to the point where chemistry is shot. 

Also we lose any shot at making a splash in the off season.  I'd rather have Ray for this year and the shot at a Bosh type next year than Martin.       

I thought Ray was coming off the books after the year.

We're not going to make a "splash" in the offseason regardless of what we do, unless we were gonna pull of some kind of sign and trade involving one of the Big 3.

[QuinielaBox]

I suppose but I would rather keep Ray Allen at this point then trade him for K-Mart in February. I mean we are only trying to win a championship here, nothing important.

[PosImpos]

Ray's contract is valuable.  I think in this market a team like Sac would want that expiring contract over players.  Also it doesn't sound as bad as if it was like Mark Blount's expiring contract.  The owner can say, "yeah we had to dump salary but we got HOF Ray Allen"

So I think Sac would do it.  But I wonder if Pierce and Garnet would feel raw about it to the point where chemistry is shot. 

Also we lose any shot at making a splash in the off season.  I'd rather have Ray for this year and the shot at a Bosh type next year than Martin.       

We're not going to make a "splash" in the offseason regardless of what we do, unless we were gonna pull of some kind of sign and trade involving one of the Big 3.

I thought Ray was coming off the books after the year.

Ray is coming off the books at the end of the year, but the thing is we've already signed away a portion of that cap space with Rondo's extension.  Some of that cap space will also be eaten up by the significantly lowered salary cap.  From there, we also have to worry about resigning players.  We'll probably have just enough room to resign Ray.  We'll use the MLE to resign bench players.

[Fafnir]

Ray's contract is valuable.  I think in this market a team like Sac would want that expiring contract over players.  Also it doesn't sound as bad as if it was like Mark Blount's expiring contract.  The owner can say, "yeah we had to dump salary but we got HOF Ray Allen"

So I think Sac would do it.  But I wonder if Pierce and Garnet would feel raw about it to the point where chemistry is shot. 

Also we lose any shot at making a splash in the off season.  I'd rather have Ray for this year and the shot at a Bosh type next year than Martin.       

We're not going to make a "splash" in the offseason regardless of what we do, unless we were gonna pull of some kind of sign and trade involving one of the Big 3.

I thought Ray was coming off the books after the year.

Ray is coming off the books at the end of the year, but the thing is we've already signed away a portion of that cap space with Rondo's extension.  Some of that cap space will also be eaten up by the significantly lowered salary cap.  From there, we also have to worry about resigning players.  We'll probably have just enough room to resign Ray.  We'll use the MLE to resign bench players.

Even before Rondo's extension we'd have no space under the salary cap.

We can resign Ray because we'll have his Bird rights. Since we're over the cap we will have the use of the MLE.

[ManUp]

Glad to see that most fans here realize Martin is an upgrade. Love Ray but if we could swap him for Martin at a fair price I think we'd have to. Maybe if suvh a trade happened Ray could negotiate a buy out with Sac and resign for the vet minimum or resign for the MLE in the offseason.

Ray's contract is valuable.  I think in this market a team like Sac would want that expiring contract over players.  Also it doesn't sound as bad as if it was like Mark Blount's expiring contract.  The owner can say, "yeah we had to dump salary but we got HOF Ray Allen"

So I think Sac would do it.  But I wonder if Pierce and Garnet would feel raw about it to the point where chemistry is shot. 

Also we lose any shot at making a splash in the off season.  I'd rather have Ray for this year and the shot at a Bosh type next year than Martin.       

We're not going to make a "splash" in the offseason regardless of what we do, unless we were gonna pull of some kind of sign and trade involving one of the Big 3.

I thought Ray was coming off the books after the year.

Ray is coming off the books at the end of the year, but the thing is we've already signed away a portion of that cap space with Rondo's extension.  Some of that cap space will also be eaten up by the significantly lowered salary cap.  From there, we also have to worry about resigning players.  We'll probably have just enough room to resign Ray.  We'll use the MLE to resign bench players.

Even before Rondo's extension we'd have no space under the salary cap.

We can resign Ray because we'll have his Bird rights. Since we're over the cap we will have the use of the MLE.

Sheed's contract isn't helping the cause either.

[Evantime34]

I have been reading that the Kings might be looking to move Kevin Martin because Tyreke Evans is not a PG , but a SG. They are in desperate need of salary relief because they aren't bringing any fans to the game . 

So here is a deal that would make sense for both sides....


Bos Sends: Ray, BBD , Giddens and/or Walker , 1st round pick

Sac Sends: Kevin Martin, Nocioni

For Boston: They get an elite offensive player who can step in for Ray and extend the title chances for many years to come. Nocioni is a nice piece off the bench and could help cut down KG and PP's mins.


For Sacramento: They get the cap relief they are looking for . This trade saves them about 50 Mil over the next 3 years and it also clears cap space for the 2010 season.  They would be at about 26 MIL on their roster so they would have about 24 MIL n cap space, so they could add one max contract and another solid piece for about 10 mil .


What do you guys think? is this a real possibility ?

I think it would ahve to be part of a three team trade. One in which Ray went to a contender who also gave up a young player and a pick.
The best thing about the trade you mentioned as constituted, is, Ray would almost certainly ask for a buyout. We then sign him to a minimum deal and we have Ray as a 6th man. No way the Kings do that deal though.