AI to NY so Duhon to Boston trade idea.

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Too costly for 2 players that most probably wouldn't make the playoffs rotation.

Costly how? We don't lose a single guy who plays.

Opportunity cost + financial costing.

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Too costly for 2 players that most probably wouldn't make the playoffs rotation.

Costly how? We don't lose a single guy who plays.

Opportunity cost + financial costing.

Me no follow

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Too costly for 2 players that most probably wouldn't make the playoffs rotation.

Costly how? We don't lose a single guy who plays.

Opportunity cost + financial costing.

Me no follow

If you trade the expiring contracts for those 2 players it costs you the opportunity of trading them later on for a player that can contribute in the play-offs.

Then you'd be stuck with Jeffries contract next season ($13.6 M including luxury tax) that can cost you the financial room to spend money on other players in the next off-season (re-signing FAs, using MLE, trades taking more salary).

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Too costly for 2 players that most probably wouldn't make the playoffs rotation.

Costly how? We don't lose a single guy who plays.

Opportunity cost + financial costing.

Me no follow

If you trade the expiring contracts for those 2 players it costs you the opportunity of trading them later on for a player that can contribute in the play-offs.

Then you'd be stuck with Jeffries contract next season ($13.6 M including luxury tax) that can cost you the financial room to spend money on other players in the next off-season (re-signing FAs, using MLE, trades taking more salary).

actually, depending on ownership's tolerance for spending next year, having an expiring contract for 2010-2011 will help the Cs get additional players. They'll be over the cap, and they'll only have the MLE this summer and will likely want to sign Daniels and Williams with it. and considering Ray's huge salary will be coming off the books, the Cs payroll will likely be less than this year even after doing this deal.

whether or not you believe Jeffries is a useful player (probably not, but you wouldn't be either on the knicks, and he can defend bigger wings pretty well), i have a very hard time imagining getting a better deal for our expiring contracts than Wilson Chandler, Jordan Hill and Jeffries. but, if we need someone else, we still have expiring deals -- House and Williams -- who are better players than the ones we're giving up to NY so more attractive in a trade anyway -- to offer, along with Big Baby who is a nice trade piece (I'm considering Daniels off limits).

let's use an example: Rondo goes down for 6 months in a strange gardening accident and we need a PG. Rafer Alston wants out of NJ. We could trade them House and Williams or Baby for him -- depending on which guy you'd rather keep.

So the deal i suggested actually increases our young talent core and gives us greater flexibility to add players next year.

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Too costly for 2 players that most probably wouldn't make the playoffs rotation.

Costly how? We don't lose a single guy who plays.

Opportunity cost + financial costing.

Me no follow

If you trade the expiring contracts for those 2 players it costs you the opportunity of trading them later on for a player that can contribute in the play-offs.

Then you'd be stuck with Jeffries contract next season ($13.6 M including luxury tax) that can cost you the financial room to spend money on other players in the next off-season (re-signing FAs, using MLE, trades taking more salary).

actually, depending on ownership's tolerance for spending next year, having an expiring contract for 2010-2011 will help the Cs get additional players. They'll be over the cap, and they'll only have the MLE this summer and will likely want to sign Daniels and Williams with it. and considering Ray's huge salary will be coming off the books, the Cs payroll will likely be less than this year even after doing this deal.

whether or not you believe Jeffries is a useful player (probably not, but you wouldn't be either on the knicks, and he can defend bigger wings pretty well), i have a very hard time imagining getting a better deal for our expiring contracts than Wilson Chandler, Jordan Hill and Jeffries. but, if we need someone else, we still have expiring deals -- House and Williams -- who are better players than the ones we're giving up to NY so more attractive in a trade anyway -- to offer, along with Big Baby who is a nice trade piece (I'm considering Daniels off limits).

let's use an example: Rondo goes down for 6 months in a strange gardening accident and we need a PG. Rafer Alston wants out of NJ. We could trade them House and Williams or Baby for him -- depending on which guy you'd rather keep.

So the deal i suggested actually increases our young talent core and gives us greater flexibility to add players next year.

I was talking about the OP deal of Tony Allen, Eddie, House, Brian Scalabrine, Bill Walker, and JR Giddens for Chris Duhon and Jared Jeffries .

I think your trade is wildly unrealistic - they won't give away Chandler and Hill just to cut Jeffries' salary. I also don't think the pay-roll would go down (assuming they spend the MLE, re-sign House and considering ROndo's extension kicks in) unless we don't re-sign Allen - and in that case, it seems to me that next season team would be weaker.

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Too costly for 2 players that most probably wouldn't make the playoffs rotation.

Costly how? We don't lose a single guy who plays.

Opportunity cost + financial costing.

Me no follow

If you trade the expiring contracts for those 2 players it costs you the opportunity of trading them later on for a player that can contribute in the play-offs.

Then you'd be stuck with Jeffries contract next season ($13.6 M including luxury tax) that can cost you the financial room to spend money on other players in the next off-season (re-signing FAs, using MLE, trades taking more salary).

actually, depending on ownership's tolerance for spending next year, having an expiring contract for 2010-2011 will help the Cs get additional players. They'll be over the cap, and they'll only have the MLE this summer and will likely want to sign Daniels and Williams with it. and considering Ray's huge salary will be coming off the books, the Cs payroll will likely be less than this year even after doing this deal.

whether or not you believe Jeffries is a useful player (probably not, but you wouldn't be either on the knicks, and he can defend bigger wings pretty well), i have a very hard time imagining getting a better deal for our expiring contracts than Wilson Chandler, Jordan Hill and Jeffries. but, if we need someone else, we still have expiring deals -- House and Williams -- who are better players than the ones we're giving up to NY so more attractive in a trade anyway -- to offer, along with Big Baby who is a nice trade piece (I'm considering Daniels off limits).

let's use an example: Rondo goes down for 6 months in a strange gardening accident and we need a PG. Rafer Alston wants out of NJ. We could trade them House and Williams or Baby for him -- depending on which guy you'd rather keep.

So the deal i suggested actually increases our young talent core and gives us greater flexibility to add players next year.

I was talking about the OP deal of Tony Allen, Eddie, House, Brian Scalabrine, Bill Walker, and JR Giddens for Chris Duhon and Jared Jeffries .

I think your trade is wildly unrealistic - they won't give away Chandler and Hill just to cut Jeffries' salary. I also don't think the pay-roll would go down (assuming they spend the MLE, re-sign House and considering ROndo's extension kicks in) unless we don't re-sign Allen - and in that case, it seems to me that next season team would be weaker.

fair point about their payroll -- it depends on whether they sign ray and eddie. but my point is the jeffries contract could give them the ability to trade for a valuable player where they likely won't be able to at present.

considering Gallinari and Chandler play the same position, and their targets are mostly SFs and SGs in Free Agency anyway.... i'd be surprised if they wouldn't think about it. $10mil more to pay Bosh or Wade or whoever would bring them pause.

I'd struggle to do the deal tho. Helping the Knicks this way would be a very tough pill to swallow. I'm still giggling to myself about them missing out on Jennings. I simply couldn't understand it on draft night, and it's coming to fruition