AI to NY so Duhon to Boston trade idea.

[nickagneta]

If AI goes to New York why not try to get Chris Duhon. Gotta give credit where credit is due, Brickowski, TP to him, put this idea into my head:

Tony Allen and Brian Scalabrine for Chris Duhon.

That's the easy part but, let's face it the Knicks are dying to get rid of Jared Jeffries and we could kinda of use a defensive minded 3/4 to spell Pierce and guard someone like Lebron in the playoffs. I am not crazy about helping the Knicks and not crazy about Jeffries offensive game but hear me out:

Tony Allen, Eddie, House, Brian Scalabrine, Bill Walker, and JR Giddens for Chris Duhon and Jared Jeffries with the stipulation that New york buy out Scal and Eddie so they can return to the team in thirty days.

What do you think?

[Roy Hobbs]

If Wyc is basically going to take on $13+ million in additional salary (Jeffries' contract + luxury tax), I'd want more than Chris Duhon in return.  Jeffries has looked horrific this year, and would be simply dead weight.

Plus, of course, the NBA always rattles its saber about pre-arranged deals to circumvent cap rules.  Any clause like the above would be unenforceable, and could cost us draft picks.

[winsomme]

I'd do that. NYK has to move either Jeffries or Curry. they have to do it. so they will be willing to be the loser in terms of talent in any deal.

anybody rather Toney Douglas to Duhon?

[winsomme]

If Wyc is basically going to take on $13+ million in additional salary (Jeffries' contract + luxury tax), I'd want more than Chris Duhon in return.  Jeffries has looked horrific this year, and would be simply dead weight.

Plus, of course, the NBA always rattles its saber about pre-arranged deals to circumvent cap rules.  Any clause like the above would be unenforceable, and could cost us draft picks.

but it does happen. I mean how do you explain DEN releasing McDyess when they actually REALLY needed a player with his skill set last year.

the deal doesn't have to be explicit. all it needs to be is wink-wink...

[nickagneta]

If Wyc is basically going to take on $13+ million in additional salary (Jeffries' contract + luxury tax), I'd want more than Chris Duhon in return.  Jeffries has looked horrific this year, and would be simply dead weight.

Plus, of course, the NBA always rattles its saber about pre-arranged deals to circumvent cap rules.  Any clause like the above would be unenforceable, and could cost us draft picks.

Okay, I thought I might get that and I do truly hate Jeffries game but I doubt Tony and Scal is enough to get Duhon from the Knicks. I thought, if we take on Jeffries to get Duhon that's great but we need to get Eddie and Scal back. Teams buy out players all the time now and those players return to their team. Yes, they are nothing more than cap circumvention but it was allowed in other deals(AI for Billups-McDyess).

Jeffries offensive game is atrocious but I think he could give this team 5-10 good, do nothing but play great defense, defensive minutes a game with a second team of

Sheed/Williams(Baby)/Jeffries/Daniels/Duhon with Scal and Eddie as 11th and 12th men.

[Roy Hobbs]

If Wyc is basically going to take on $13+ million in additional salary (Jeffries' contract + luxury tax), I'd want more than Chris Duhon in return.  Jeffries has looked horrific this year, and would be simply dead weight.

Plus, of course, the NBA always rattles its saber about pre-arranged deals to circumvent cap rules.  Any clause like the above would be unenforceable, and could cost us draft picks.

Okay, I thought I might get that and I do truly hate Jeffries game but I doubt Tony and Scal is enough to get Duhon from the Knicks. I thought, if we take on Jeffries to get Duhon that's great but we need to get Eddie and Scal back. Teams buy out players all the time now and those players return to their team. Yes, they are nothing more than cap circumvention but it was allowed in other deals(AI for Billups-McDyess).

Jeffries offensive game is atrocious but I think he could give this team 5-10 good, do nothing but play great defense, defensive minutes a game with a second team of

Sheed/Williams(Baby)/Jeffries/Daniels/Duhon with Scal and Eddie as 11th and 12th men.

I wouldn't make the trade without a #1 attached.  I think Utah has New York's next year, so we'd want their 2012 selection.

[nickagneta]

If Wyc is basically going to take on $13+ million in additional salary (Jeffries' contract + luxury tax), I'd want more than Chris Duhon in return.  Jeffries has looked horrific this year, and would be simply dead weight.

Plus, of course, the NBA always rattles its saber about pre-arranged deals to circumvent cap rules.  Any clause like the above would be unenforceable, and could cost us draft picks.

Okay, I thought I might get that and I do truly hate Jeffries game but I doubt Tony and Scal is enough to get Duhon from the Knicks. I thought, if we take on Jeffries to get Duhon that's great but we need to get Eddie and Scal back. Teams buy out players all the time now and those players return to their team. Yes, they are nothing more than cap circumvention but it was allowed in other deals(AI for Billups-McDyess).

Jeffries offensive game is atrocious but I think he could give this team 5-10 good, do nothing but play great defense, defensive minutes a game with a second team of

Sheed/Williams(Baby)/Jeffries/Daniels/Duhon with Scal and Eddie as 11th and 12th men.

I wouldn't make the trade without a #1 attached.  I think Utah has New York's next year, so we'd want their 2012 selection.

Interesting twist I never though about. Unprotected 2012 #1 with it. I like it. Okay, now I like that even better. TP for an improvement.

[ManUp]

If Wyc is basically going to take on $13+ million in additional salary (Jeffries' contract + luxury tax), I'd want more than Chris Duhon in return.  Jeffries has looked horrific this year, and would be simply dead weight.

Plus, of course, the NBA always rattles its saber about pre-arranged deals to circumvent cap rules.  Any clause like the above would be unenforceable, and could cost us draft picks.

Okay, I thought I might get that and I do truly hate Jeffries game but I doubt Tony and Scal is enough to get Duhon from the Knicks. I thought, if we take on Jeffries to get Duhon that's great but we need to get Eddie and Scal back. Teams buy out players all the time now and those players return to their team. Yes, they are nothing more than cap circumvention but it was allowed in other deals(AI for Billups-McDyess).

Jeffries offensive game is atrocious but I think he could give this team 5-10 good, do nothing but play great defense, defensive minutes a game with a second team of

Sheed/Williams(Baby)/Jeffries/Daniels/Duhon with Scal and Eddie as 11th and 12th men.

I wouldn't make the trade without a #1 attached.  I think Utah has New York's next year, so we'd want their 2012 selection.

I think they've learned their lesson in regards to trading away 1st round draft picks.

[Fafnir]

If Wyc is basically going to take on $13+ million in additional salary (Jeffries' contract + luxury tax), I'd want more than Chris Duhon in return.  Jeffries has looked horrific this year, and would be simply dead weight.

Plus, of course, the NBA always rattles its saber about pre-arranged deals to circumvent cap rules.  Any clause like the above would be unenforceable, and could cost us draft picks.

but it does happen. I mean how do you explain DEN releasing McDyess when they actually REALLY needed a player with his skill set last year.

the deal doesn't have to be explicit. all it needs to be is wink-wink...

They made him give back a ton of his contract, which saved them a ton of money.

I really do believe Denver wanted to keep McDyess

[nickagneta]

If Wyc is basically going to take on $13+ million in additional salary (Jeffries' contract + luxury tax), I'd want more than Chris Duhon in return.  Jeffries has looked horrific this year, and would be simply dead weight.

Plus, of course, the NBA always rattles its saber about pre-arranged deals to circumvent cap rules.  Any clause like the above would be unenforceable, and could cost us draft picks.

Okay, I thought I might get that and I do truly hate Jeffries game but I doubt Tony and Scal is enough to get Duhon from the Knicks. I thought, if we take on Jeffries to get Duhon that's great but we need to get Eddie and Scal back. Teams buy out players all the time now and those players return to their team. Yes, they are nothing more than cap circumvention but it was allowed in other deals(AI for Billups-McDyess).

Jeffries offensive game is atrocious but I think he could give this team 5-10 good, do nothing but play great defense, defensive minutes a game with a second team of

Sheed/Williams(Baby)/Jeffries/Daniels/Duhon with Scal and Eddie as 11th and 12th men.

I wouldn't make the trade without a #1 attached.  I think Utah has New York's next year, so we'd want their 2012 selection.

I think they've learned their lesson in regards to trading away 1st round draft picks.

Not so sure. If they can dump Curry or Jeffries which allows them to definitely get Lebron and another max guy FA signed next year, they will probably think that a 2012 First round pick is going to be pretty low anyway, so they would do it.

[ssspence]

I think you underestimate the value of relieving them of Jeffries contract. It would allow them to potentially sign 2 high profile FA next summer, not one. They have every egg in that basket, and the basket is breaking due to the projected lower cap, and because -- well, who wants to help the knicks do that?

You could likely demand Chandler, Gallinari, Douglas or some combo for taking Jeffries or Curry. Think about it from new York's position.....

I'd been thinking about putting a deal like this in the forums over the past couple of weeks, but after looking at the knicks roster it's hard to see any of their young talent actually being worth it. Gallinari's a nice shooter, but he's got a bad back and he can't do much else. I like Chandlier, but is the desire to win there? Douglas looks like he could be good, but we just signed Rondo longterm. And if the discussed pick turns out to be low, we've done the Knicks a huge favor to get a JR Giddens.

[nickagneta]

I think you underestimate the value of relieving them of Jeffries contract. It would allow them to potentially sign 2 high profile FA next summer, not one. They have every egg in that basket, and the basket is breaking due to the projected lower cap, and because -- well, who wants to help the knicks do that?

You could likely demand Chandler, Gallinari, Douglas or some combo for taking Jeffries or Curry. Think about it from new York's position.....

So by taking Jeffries, you think we could also grab Chandler as well as Duhon? Even more interesting.

So a trade like

Eddie, Tony, Scal, Giddens, Walker and Hudson

for

Duhon, Chandler and Jeffries and maybe a 1st rounder in 2012 or 2013 unprotected.

[ssspence]

I think you underestimate the value of relieving them of Jeffries contract. It would allow them to potentially sign 2 high profile FA next summer, not one. They have every egg in that basket, and the basket is breaking due to the projected lower cap, and because -- well, who wants to help the knicks do that?

You could likely demand Chandler, Gallinari, Douglas or some combo for taking Jeffries or Curry. Think about it from new York's position.....

So by taking Jeffries, you think we could also grab Chandler as well as Duhon? Even more interesting.

So a trade like

Eddie, Tony, Scal, Giddens, Walker and Hudson

for

Duhon, Chandler and Jeffries and maybe a 1st rounder in 2012 or 2013 unprotected.

Personally I'd drop Duhon -- he hurts our ability to add talent to this deal from a $$ perspective because we run out of exipring contracts. Take him and House out, and add two young players in.

Like: Jeffries, Chandler and Hill for Scal, TA, Giddens, Hudson and Walker -- this squeeks in under the trade checker.

They probably don't want to lose Hill, but they're paying him $2.7 mil NEXT year anyway, so you're giving them $9.5mil in cap space for 2010 they desparately need. Or go back to Duhon if you really want him (no thank you, personally, don't see him cracking the rotation much this year).

The point remains the same: pray on their totally compromised position. They'd have to think about it.

[scoop]

Too costly for 2 players that most probably wouldn't make the playoffs rotation.

[ssspence]

Too costly for 2 players that most probably wouldn't make the playoffs rotation.

Costly how? We don't lose a single guy who plays.