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Re: A.I. To Boston, a real possibility according to Donny Marshall( Rumor)
« Reply #45 on: November 19, 2009, 09:24:07 PM »

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A lot of people giving Donny much more cred than he deserves ... I mean, has anyone else heard anything about this, or is it just Donny's little gears turning? I haven't heard or seen anyone else hinting that this is a possibility.
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Re: A.I. To Boston , A Strong possibility according to Donny Marshall( Rumor)
« Reply #46 on: November 19, 2009, 10:25:27 PM »

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Get sheed's permission first? Ask Sheed how great of a teammate A.I. is?

And Who is Donny Marshall? Is he like a lost cousin?

What'd Sheed do for AI when he was in Detroit? Sheed gave up more than AI did and now Sheed's playing nice.

Re: A.I. To Boston, a real possibility according to Donny Marshall( Rumor)
« Reply #47 on: November 19, 2009, 11:22:35 PM »

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If Iverson goes to Orlando, what's the over/under before he and Van Gundy want to kill each other -- 2 games? 

The Knicks would be a much better fit...he'd put a little bit of a buzz into a team going absolutely nowhere, but they'd at least be interesting to watch.

There's no way in the world he's coming here.

Re: A.I. To Boston, a real possibility according to Donny Marshall( Rumor)
« Reply #48 on: November 19, 2009, 11:27:01 PM »

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AI's per 35 minutes for the Grizz are 19.6 PPG and 5.9 APG on 59% shooting (13.8 FGAs).

He still got a lot of game left.

Bear in mind he is still hurt too.

Re: A.I. To Boston, a real possibility according to Donny Marshall( Rumor)
« Reply #49 on: November 19, 2009, 11:29:13 PM »

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Can someone give the Celtics a reason not to sign Iverson to the vet min? I honestly don't really see a reason why we shouldn't sign him for one year at the vet min. Actually the only reason I don't really want him is because I don't really think we need him at this point. To me thats not really that great of a reason for someone like AI. It's not like we are talking about Sweetney and saying "oh we don't need him he would be a 12th man blah blah". Iverson could become a 6th or 7th man and could add REAL value to the team.

Is it not pretty much the same scenario that we had with Marbury? They are both low risk high reward guys. Marbury came in with a very short leash and did not live up to his potential or at least thats what I thought. Giving a vet min contract to Iverson would be doing the same thing but hoping it turns out better. I think it's a flip of the coin really. We lost the high reward with marbury and now why not flip again with Iverson? If we lose (i.e. he is a cancer blah blah) we cut him and if we win we get a great pick up.

Do people think that if we end up cutting him it is just too much money to blow? People make it sound like because he is a "cancer" that he can hold us hostage or something. The Celtics are the ones with all the power, he plays by their rules or he doesn't play at all.  It's not like we are bringing in Steven Jackson with a huge contract and lots of years.

The only logical reason I could see people having is that they think with Iverson on our team our team will get worse. We will lose more games and our second unit will not be as good as it is now. Other than that why not sign him?

Re: A.I. To Boston, a real possibility according to Donny Marshall( Rumor)
« Reply #50 on: November 19, 2009, 11:37:05 PM »

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Got to agree with you CelticsG1! You made a lot of very valid points and let me add another. If we are the team who takes the "high risk high reward" chance on this guy and it doesnt work out then cut our ties. But, if we are the team who gets him and he is a real value, then we have not only helped ourselves by getting him, we have also helped ourselves by not letting a real competitor get him. I think his potential upside combined with keeping off a competitor far outweighs any supposed "cancer" he supposedly is.

Re: A.I. To Boston, a real possibility according to Donny Marshall( Rumor)
« Reply #51 on: November 19, 2009, 11:42:41 PM »

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"I am thinking about bringing in Allen Iverson, he agreed to come off the bench, and wouldn't be a distraction.
Right, because this worked so well in Detroit.

Can we get off of this notion please for the love of god!

Iverson has no problems coming off the bench.

Iverson has problems with people lying to him.

Michael Curry lied to every Pistons player last season and specifically to AI and Rip Hamilton.

The Memphis Grizzlies lied to this past offseason, if they were straight with AI, the Answer would never have signed with the Grizz.

If the Celtics are straight with AI, and Doc is straight with AI, letting him know what the deal is, AI will have no issues coming off the bench for the Celtics.
Revisionist history. AI made if very clear last year that he was not comfortable coming off the bench. Go look up his reasons.

I don't buy the lying claims. Some players expect the coach to justify all their decisions to them personally. They get sensitive when that doesn't happen.

Curry tried starting AI. It didn't work. He decided it would be better bringing AI off the bench. That is what any coach should do.

Re: A.I. To Boston, a real possibility according to Donny Marshall( Rumor)
« Reply #52 on: November 19, 2009, 11:45:46 PM »

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I would prefer a SF/PF in the Posey mold, but I'm not going to outright say no to Iverson.

The first thing i would do is make sure Paul, KG, Ray, and Sheed are okay with it. If they are, then it could work. mostly because we have a backup two who can handle the basketball in Daniels.

That means AI can guard the PG position but play the SG position. The biggest problem with AI is that he can't play the PG position and he can't guard the SG position. I think with Daniels we would be able to soften that problem.
If we are relying on the 3 too much right now, imagine with Posey back on the team. House, Posey, and Wallace at the same time are 3 guys who want to take every shot from 3.

Re: A.I. To Boston, a real possibility according to Donny Marshall( Rumor)
« Reply #53 on: November 19, 2009, 11:49:25 PM »

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The scuttlebut is that AI is headed for the Knicks.  If that happens, is Duhon available?  He would be a perfect backup pg in Boston.

Did you mean "scuttlebutt"? ;)
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Re: A.I. To Boston, a real possibility according to Donny Marshall( Rumor)
« Reply #54 on: November 20, 2009, 12:20:00 AM »

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This is a no lose situation, bring him in for the veteran minimum, have the most stacked team ever, and win a championship. It's for part of one season, if it's not working out, cut him loose.

Re: A.I. To Boston, a real possibility according to Donny Marshall( Rumor)
« Reply #55 on: November 20, 2009, 12:25:48 AM »

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The scuttlebut is that AI is headed for the Knicks.  If that happens, is Duhon available?  He would be a perfect backup pg in Boston.

Did you mean "scuttlebutt"? ;)

I prefer scuzzlebutt

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Re: A.I. To Boston, a real possibility according to Donny Marshall( Rumor)
« Reply #56 on: November 20, 2009, 01:07:53 AM »

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"I am thinking about bringing in Allen Iverson, he agreed to come off the bench, and wouldn't be a distraction.
Right, because this worked so well in Detroit.

Can we get off of this notion please for the love of god!

Iverson has no problems coming off the bench.

Iverson has problems with people lying to him.

Michael Curry lied to every Pistons player last season and specifically to AI and Rip Hamilton.

The Memphis Grizzlies lied to this past offseason, if they were straight with AI, the Answer would never have signed with the Grizz.

If the Celtics are straight with AI, and Doc is straight with AI, letting him know what the deal is, AI will have no issues coming off the bench for the Celtics.
Revisionist history. AI made if very clear last year that he was not comfortable coming off the bench. Go look up his reasons.

I don't buy the lying claims. Some players expect the coach to justify all their decisions to them personally. They get sensitive when that doesn't happen.

Curry tried starting AI. It didn't work. He decided it would be better bringing AI off the bench. That is what any coach should do.

1. Of course AI stated he wasn't comfortable coming off the bench last year, it was the 1st time in his career he had to do that. After being a starter his whole career, wouldn't a change like that be kind of difficult?

Once he could accustomed to it, he would be fine with it IF the team was winning. But the Pistons didn't win, they were struggling and mediocre at best with AI off the bench. So yes, AI got "hurt" last year and didn't play much if at all down the stretch. Pistons got swept in the playoffs anyway, starting AI wouldn't have changed that....why?

2. Because no one played for Michael Curry, the Pistons tuned him out. Why? Because he lied to his players.

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http://blog.mlive.com/fullcourtpress/2009/10/was_allen_iverson_right_all_al.html


When you lose the support of your team's best player or your team's longest standing player, you're gonna lose EVERY player on your team and then you are going to lose support from your GM, the boss that hired you.

People act like AI was the sole reason the Pistons stunk up the joint last year.

Nope. Joe Dumars had no clue what kind of impact trading Chauncey, at the start of the season last year, would do to the team, absolutely no clue.

The Pistons had won 4 straight, started the season 4-0 WITH a new ROOKIE head coach, and then you go and trade the heart and sole of the team (Billups) away for what? For WHAT?

For salary reasons...every Piston fans knows it was for salary reasons that the trade for AI was made. (And Dumars had too much over hyped confidence in Rodney freaking Stuckey, I'm sorry one good playoff series doesn't a starter make in this NBA).

Remember when Danny traded Eric Williams right early in the season, after the team had won 5 in a row, the team went into a huge funk....O'Brien lost key guys, his system guys for unknown players who probably would have never been able to fit into the defensive style the Celtics were playing.

It's the same deal with the Pistons, they traded away Billups, a better defender at his position so Stuckey could get abused and AI could get abused defensively.

The Pistons were based upon defense. We all know that.

You change the dynamic or the identity of your team, you're going to struggle.

Look at the Phoenix Suns the last couple years. Same deal.

Now the Celtics right now, we are going to win, with or without AI. But if we are straight with him and tell straight out what we want from him and what he will be able to do for us, there is no question in my mind he can be a good soldier and not cause any inner turmoil for this team.

The Memphis Grizzlies have zero clout in this league compared to the current Boston Celtics. That Grizz franchise is a joke and they don't have a head coach or the veteran players to sway Iverson any which way but his own.


Re: A.I. To Boston, a real possibility according to Donny Marshall( Rumor)
« Reply #57 on: November 20, 2009, 12:24:12 PM »

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"I am thinking about bringing in Allen Iverson, he agreed to come off the bench, and wouldn't be a distraction.
Right, because this worked so well in Detroit.

Can we get off of this notion please for the love of god!

Iverson has no problems coming off the bench.


Iverson has problems with people lying to him.

Michael Curry lied to every Pistons player last season and specifically to AI and Rip Hamilton.

The Memphis Grizzlies lied to this past offseason, if they were straight with AI, the Answer would never have signed with the Grizz.

If the Celtics are straight with AI, and Doc is straight with AI, letting him know what the deal is, AI will have no issues coming off the bench for the Celtics.

This is such a crock.

Check this out, apparently the Knicks are not going to sign Iverson. Here's Why:

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Although team officials were highly intrigued by Iverson, a four-time scoring champion, they finally decided that he posed too great a risk because of his long history of problems on and off the court.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/sports/basketball/21iverson.html?_r=1

Maybe they decided to listen to Larry Brown Iverson's old coach:

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But in order to bring Allen in, you have to realize this is a kid who’s so competitive - that’s what’s made him great. And if you think you’re going to manage his minutes and he’s going to be satisfied with that, it’s not going to happen. He has to be a big part of your team and you have to be confident that you’re going to let him do what he does.”

http://sportsradiointerviews.com/2009/11/19/larry-brown-on-the-still-homeless-allen-iverson-if-you-think-youre-going-to-manage-his-minutes-and-hes-going-to-be-satisfied-with-that-its-not-going-to-happen/

Re: A.I. To Boston, a real possibility according to Donny Marshall( Rumor)
« Reply #58 on: November 20, 2009, 12:34:50 PM »

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nick, what does anything the Knicks do have any credence whatsoever?

In my book, if the Knicks don't want AI, then the obvious correct or right course of action is to WANT AI.

 

Re: A.I. To Boston, a real possibility according to Donny Marshall( Rumor)
« Reply #59 on: November 20, 2009, 12:39:48 PM »

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I'd rather Rondo, Eddie, and Hudson not have to deal with AI's incessant chirping about playing time.