Potential MIL/GSW/BOS trade with conditions

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Why would the Bucks want Ray when they have Redd? Also, why get older when you have a semi-decent core of young players?

1) because Redd rarely plays;

2) because the only core player they lose is Mbah a Moute in the deal;

3) because they save 7mil next year / add it to their cap space.

I don't buy it, why lease Ray when you're not going to win a title? Why not just look for a take for Redd?

so you can get rid of $7mil and make some money because they still love Ray in Milwaukee?

who would take Redd and why?

Yes, but in all their dealings, the Bucks have kept their young players while cutting salary. For example, Bogut makes 10 million a year but you rarely hear his name in trade talks. When they received Bowen and Oberto this summer, they cut them because of their age not money. This organization has committed to going young and cheap. This move doesn't fit that mold.

You don’t hear their best player’s name in trade rumors so they don’t like to save money? Bowen and Oberto weren’t cut because of age – both had non-guaranteed contracts, which is why MIL traded for them. The guy they were traded for was an excellent NBA wing player, and they got literally nothing in return. What they’re names, ages, heights, etc are were meaningless in the transaction.

Bowen and Oberto were traded to MIL for one reason, and one alone: money.

Look all I'm saying is it's not that far fetched to imagine MIL trading Mbah a Moute for an All-Star and consummate professional. Think Brandon Jennings might benefit from a year with Ray? Roy’s argument regarding Ellis is far stronger but it’s hard to find a comparable talent who is available on the cheep.

The reason they trade Jefferson was that he was too old and expensive for what they were doing. No, I don't see any reason for them to trade one of their best, and inexpensive, pieces for a one year lease of Ray.

He was too old? They traded for him one year prior! Just strike the part about 'old' -- he's 29 and his contract is the same length as Gadzuric's. He was traded only a year before for a lottery pick so they could dump Simmons salary. The Bucks have a history here: Jefferson was expensive and tradable so they traded him. If they could trade Redd, they would. If they could trade Gadzuric, they would.

Meanwhile, Ray would be a major upgrade at SG (Michael Redd will never be truly healthy again) making them considerably more competitive, increasing game revenue and the potential for playoff games. This is to not even mention the sentimentality factor for Bucks fans (Karl pushed Ray outta MIL etc). So let’s say in sales, jersey revenue, playoffs and so forth they make $4mil. Add that to Gadzuric’s otherwise unmovable deal and you’ve got $11mil.

You don’t think Kohl – a guy who dumped Jefferson for pennies on the dollar – would consider trading Mbah a Moute for $11mil? 

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Why would the Bucks want Ray when they have Redd? Also, why get older when you have a semi-decent core of young players?

1) because Redd rarely plays;

2) because the only core player they lose is Mbah a Moute in the deal;

3) because they save 7mil next year / add it to their cap space.

I don't buy it, why lease Ray when you're not going to win a title? Why not just look for a take for Redd?

so you can get rid of $7mil and make some money because they still love Ray in Milwaukee?

who would take Redd and why?

Yes, but in all their dealings, the Bucks have kept their young players while cutting salary. For example, Bogut makes 10 million a year but you rarely hear his name in trade talks. When they received Bowen and Oberto this summer, they cut them because of their age not money. This organization has committed to going young and cheap. This move doesn't fit that mold.

You don’t hear their best player’s name in trade rumors so they don’t like to save money? Bowen and Oberto weren’t cut because of age – both had non-guaranteed contracts, which is why MIL traded for them. The guy they were traded for was an excellent NBA wing player, and they got literally nothing in return. What they’re names, ages, heights, etc are were meaningless in the transaction.

Bowen and Oberto were traded to MIL for one reason, and one alone: money.

Look all I'm saying is it's not that far fetched to imagine MIL trading Mbah a Moute for an All-Star and consummate professional. Think Brandon Jennings might benefit from a year with Ray? Roy’s argument regarding Ellis is far stronger but it’s hard to find a comparable talent who is available on the cheep.

The reason they trade Jefferson was that he was too old and expensive for what they were doing. No, I don't see any reason for them to trade one of their best, and inexpensive, pieces for a one year lease of Ray.

He was too old? They traded for him one year prior! Just strike the part about 'old' -- he's 29 and his contract is the same length as Gadzuric's. He was traded only a year before for a lottery pick so they could dump Simmons salary. The Bucks have a history here: Jefferson was expensive and tradable so they traded him. If they could trade Redd, they would. If they could trade Gadzuric, they would.

Meanwhile, Ray would be a major upgrade at SG (Michael Redd will never be truly healthy again) making them considerably more competitive, increasing game revenue and the potential for playoff games. This is to not even mention the sentimentality factor for Bucks fans (Karl pushed Ray outta MIL etc). So let’s say in sales, jersey revenue, playoffs and so forth they make $4mil. Add that to Gadzuric’s otherwise unmovable deal and you’ve got $11mil.

You don’t think Kohl – a guy who dumped Jefferson for pennies on the dollar – would consider trading Mbah a Moute for $11mil? 

No, because Kohl isn't making the basketball decisions. Even if these decisions were purely financial, that would mean Gadzuric And/or Bogut would have been gone by now. And yes, Jefferson at 29 was a luxury considering you're paying him an arm and a leg and by the time the team would be good he would be over the hill.

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Bad trade for all teams. The Bucks would probably consider dumping Redd, but not at the cost of 2 expirings more a very good player like LRMAM.

Ellis and his contract don't make any sense whatsoever for the Celtics.

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Why would the Bucks want Ray when they have Redd? Also, why get older when you have a semi-decent core of young players?

1) because Redd rarely plays;

2) because the only core player they lose is Mbah a Moute in the deal;

3) because they save 7mil next year / add it to their cap space.

I don't buy it, why lease Ray when you're not going to win a title? Why not just look for a take for Redd?

so you can get rid of $7mil and make some money because they still love Ray in Milwaukee?

who would take Redd and why?

Yes, but in all their dealings, the Bucks have kept their young players while cutting salary. For example, Bogut makes 10 million a year but you rarely hear his name in trade talks. When they received Bowen and Oberto this summer, they cut them because of their age not money. This organization has committed to going young and cheap. This move doesn't fit that mold.

You don’t hear their best player’s name in trade rumors so they don’t like to save money? Bowen and Oberto weren’t cut because of age – both had non-guaranteed contracts, which is why MIL traded for them. The guy they were traded for was an excellent NBA wing player, and they got literally nothing in return. What they’re names, ages, heights, etc are were meaningless in the transaction.

Bowen and Oberto were traded to MIL for one reason, and one alone: money.

Look all I'm saying is it's not that far fetched to imagine MIL trading Mbah a Moute for an All-Star and consummate professional. Think Brandon Jennings might benefit from a year with Ray? Roy’s argument regarding Ellis is far stronger but it’s hard to find a comparable talent who is available on the cheep.

The reason they trade Jefferson was that he was too old and expensive for what they were doing. No, I don't see any reason for them to trade one of their best, and inexpensive, pieces for a one year lease of Ray.

He was too old? They traded for him one year prior! Just strike the part about 'old' -- he's 29 and his contract is the same length as Gadzuric's. He was traded only a year before for a lottery pick so they could dump Simmons salary. The Bucks have a history here: Jefferson was expensive and tradable so they traded him. If they could trade Redd, they would. If they could trade Gadzuric, they would.

Meanwhile, Ray would be a major upgrade at SG (Michael Redd will never be truly healthy again) making them considerably more competitive, increasing game revenue and the potential for playoff games. This is to not even mention the sentimentality factor for Bucks fans (Karl pushed Ray outta MIL etc). So let’s say in sales, jersey revenue, playoffs and so forth they make $4mil. Add that to Gadzuric’s otherwise unmovable deal and you’ve got $11mil.

You don’t think Kohl – a guy who dumped Jefferson for pennies on the dollar – would consider trading Mbah a Moute for $11mil? 

No, because Kohl isn't making the basketball decisions. Even if these decisions were purely financial, that would mean Gadzuric And/or Bogut would have been gone by now. And yes, Jefferson at 29 was a luxury considering you're paying him an arm and a leg and by the time the team would be good he would be over the hill.

You've lost me.

1) Kohl is the owner of the team. Who do you think makes "basketball decisions" on a basketball team, the GM? Hammond makes trades and then calls Kohl to inform him of them after the fact? Seriously?

2) If their decisions were purely financial they would have traded Gadzuric already to.... who? He's untradable, because he stinks, which is why Kohl would like to be free of paying him $7.2mil next season, presumably;

3)If their decisions were purely financial they would have traded Bugut... why? They just gave him a big extension to be their franchise player. I’m not actually suggesting they trade every player on the team for financial relief. That would be odd.

The trade I suggested was role players for an NBA All-Star. Often times teams will trade young talent with cumbersome contracts in order to be free of them, as I pointed out on the Yi + Simmons for RJ deal they did a year ago.

So make it about basketball -- the Bucks would be a better team with Ray Allen then without him.

Or make it about money -- they save a bunch.

Either way, no?