Will Big Baby come back fatter?

[crownsy]

Count me in agreement with GreenFaith, he'll come back in great shape. BBD has a lot to prove not only to his teammates but to himself and other GM's around the league who wouldnt offer him a contract. I think this team misses him more then people would like to admit. He adds a certain dimension that no other player on the squad brings.

do tell. What do you think he adds to our current big man rotation that isn't being provided?

Because other than his 15 ft jumper, which was a C+ at best, Sheldon is outplaying him in those minutes. I want a solid defender and rebounder in those minutes, and sheldon is providing that quite nicely.

Not saying that davis won't get minutes or won't be useful player once he's back, but i'd like clarification on what we dimension we are "missing" with him not in the rotation that "only he" provides.

Well, here's my attempt at analyzing what Glen Davis will bring to us:


1. Another Big to scrap down low, plus he has a decent jumper from outside. No he's not the greatest post threat we have but he is DEFINITELY a scrappy player.

2. Glen Davis won a playoff game for us last year against ORL.

3. Glen Davis will come back fired up with a lot to prove. That fire he will bring will add to helping the Celtics start off December in a good light.

Plus, Doc will be able to use platoon both him and Shelden, to exploit our opponents' weaknesses, just like he did with Powe and Glen back in the day.

1. he doesn't provide us "another" big to scrap down low for two reasons. one, he's not a good rebounder. This has been and will continue to be a knock on him.

two, once he's back that gives us 5 bigs. so he won't be adding to the big man rotation, he's either sitting or taking someone's minutes. right now, with how sheldon is playing, i'd prefer to have his rebounding and toughness out there over baby's better interior scoring.

And, this is not a dimension "only he can bring"

2. what does that have to do with the price of tea in china?

It was a great shot, but it was last year. you said that he was going to provide dimensions that 'no other player on this team can provide". pretty sure dispite that shot he's no where near the top of the list for players taking the last shot. you go paul, ray, KG for that and move on down the line. I don't hit glen till around 6 or 7.

3. who are you sitting to give him these minutes so he can prove this too us? sheldon's? sheed's? because right now i don't think glen davis has a case for consistent minutes for this team. mabey he'll work back into them, but that's a big if.

and, once again, "intensity" or "proving himself" is not a dimension only he brings. I'll take any of our starters intensity and drive over glen davis.

[crownsy]

Count me in agreement with GreenFaith, he'll come back in great shape. BBD has a lot to prove not only to his teammates but to himself and other GM's around the league who wouldnt offer him a contract. I think this team misses him more then people would like to admit. He adds a certain dimension that no other player on the squad brings.

do tell. What do you think he adds to our current big man rotation that isn't being provided?

Because other than his 15 ft jumper, which was a C+ at best, Sheldon is outplaying him in those minutes. I want a solid defender and rebounder in those minutes, and sheldon is providing that quite nicely.

Not saying that davis won't get minutes or won't be useful player once he's back, but i'd like clarification on what we dimension we are "missing" with him not in the rotation that "only he" provides.

TP, for the true statement. Sheldon has done the things BBD hasn't ever really done consistently, Rebound and defend. If you look at Baby's "big games", where he's scoring, he tends to forget the other stuff. We already have all the scoring and jump shooting we need from those positions. What we need is exactly what Sheldon has been giving us a consistent effort on the defensive end as well as the glass.

Well, Glen has a decent outside jumper. Shelden is more of an inside scorer. He does bring another dimension.

pretty sure KG and sheed are better shooters than glen. got that dimension covered to.

and listen, i like davis, i'm not saying he won't find a place to contribute on this bench, but he is not really going to come back and be some sort of mega-impact bench player.

That was my point, i took issue with you saying he's going to come back and be gangbusters because of these dimensions that "no one else" can bring us.

Glen's going to be what he always has been, a decent bench big. It will be nice to have the depth, but honestly sheldon is playing just as well right now as the 4th big.

I know it's nice to say you don't lose your spot when your injured, but sheldon is doing a pretty good job of playing the volmur to BBD's light.

[GreenFaith1819]

TP to Celtics17, by the way, for bringing up fact that Glen Davis adds a dimension to the Celtics that they have been lacking.

[crownsy]

TP to Celtics17, by the way, for bringing up fact that Glen Davis adds a dimension to the Celtics that they have been lacking.

Still waiting for any coherent argument of what it is.

[GreenFaith1819]

Count me in agreement with GreenFaith, he'll come back in great shape. BBD has a lot to prove not only to his teammates but to himself and other GM's around the league who wouldnt offer him a contract. I think this team misses him more then people would like to admit. He adds a certain dimension that no other player on the squad brings.

do tell. What do you think he adds to our current big man rotation that isn't being provided?

Because other than his 15 ft jumper, which was a C+ at best, Sheldon is outplaying him in those minutes. I want a solid defender and rebounder in those minutes, and sheldon is providing that quite nicely.

Not saying that davis won't get minutes or won't be useful player once he's back, but i'd like clarification on what we dimension we are "missing" with him not in the rotation that "only he" provides.

Well, here's my attempt at analyzing what Glen Davis will bring to us:


1. Another Big to scrap down low, plus he has a decent jumper from outside. No he's not the greatest post threat we have but he is DEFINITELY a scrappy player.

2. Glen Davis won a playoff game for us last year against ORL.

3. Glen Davis will come back fired up with a lot to prove. That fire he will bring will add to helping the Celtics start off December in a good light.

Plus, Doc will be able to use platoon both him and Shelden, to exploit our opponents' weaknesses, just like he did with Powe and Glen back in the day.

1. he doesn't provide us "another" big to scrap down low for two reasons. one, he's not a good rebounder. This has been and will continue to be a knock on him.

two, once he's back that gives us 5 bigs. so he won't be adding to the big man rotation, he's either sitting or taking someone's minutes. right now, with how sheldon is playing, i'd prefer to have his rebounding and toughness out there over baby's better interior scoring.

And, this is not a dimension "only he can bring"

2. what does that have to do with the price of tea in china?

It was a great shot, but it was last year. you said that he was going to provide dimensions that 'no other player on this team can provide". pretty sure dispite that shot he's no where near the top of the list for players taking the last shot. you go paul, ray, KG for that and move on down the line. I don't hit glen till around 6 or 7.

3. who are you sitting to give him these minutes so he can prove this too us? sheldon's? sheed's? because right now i don't think glen davis has a case for consistent minutes for this team. mabey he'll work back into them, but that's a big if.

and, once again, "intensity" or "proving himself" is not a dimension only he brings. I'll take any of our starters intensity and drive over glen davis.

Hence my "Platooning" statement..there will be some games that Doc will be able to use Glen in that he may not be able to use Shelden.

And I didn't say that Glen provides a dimension that no one else does. He provides a dimension that can help us.

and to further explain "Scrappy"----he throws himself around..not afraid to mix it up..an intangible. That doesn't always show up in the box score.

[Chris]

TP to Celtics17, by the way, for bringing up fact that Glen Davis adds a dimension to the Celtics that they have been lacking.

I don't think Davis brings anything that the C's are lacking.  However, he does bring some things that Shelden Williams is lacking.  Particluarly his perimeter skills (not just shooting, but passing and ball handling), his much better hands, and his overall awareness and basketball IQ.  

And I am not saying Williams is a dumb player by any means, but Davis is an exceptionally cerebral player, and that can be very valuable on a team like this.

Davis also is a better low post, one on one defender.

In general, Davis is still a valuable player, and IMO is still a more effective player than Williams.  However, what Williams has shown in the last month is that he may not be Davis, but he is at least a very servicable 4th big man that you can feel comfortable playing out there for 15 minutes per game.  And that makes Davis dispensable in case a trade comes up, where the other team had an interest in him.

[crownsy]

Count me in agreement with GreenFaith, he'll come back in great shape. BBD has a lot to prove not only to his teammates but to himself and other GM's around the league who wouldnt offer him a contract. I think this team misses him more then people would like to admit. He adds a certain dimension that no other player on the squad brings.

do tell. What do you think he adds to our current big man rotation that isn't being provided?

Because other than his 15 ft jumper, which was a C+ at best, Sheldon is outplaying him in those minutes. I want a solid defender and rebounder in those minutes, and sheldon is providing that quite nicely.

Not saying that davis won't get minutes or won't be useful player once he's back, but i'd like clarification on what we dimension we are "missing" with him not in the rotation that "only he" provides.

Well, here's my attempt at analyzing what Glen Davis will bring to us:


1. Another Big to scrap down low, plus he has a decent jumper from outside. No he's not the greatest post threat we have but he is DEFINITELY a scrappy player.

2. Glen Davis won a playoff game for us last year against ORL.

3. Glen Davis will come back fired up with a lot to prove. That fire he will bring will add to helping the Celtics start off December in a good light.

Plus, Doc will be able to use platoon both him and Shelden, to exploit our opponents' weaknesses, just like he did with Powe and Glen back in the day.

1. he doesn't provide us "another" big to scrap down low for two reasons. one, he's not a good rebounder. This has been and will continue to be a knock on him.

two, once he's back that gives us 5 bigs. so he won't be adding to the big man rotation, he's either sitting or taking someone's minutes. right now, with how sheldon is playing, i'd prefer to have his rebounding and toughness out there over baby's better interior scoring.

And, this is not a dimension "only he can bring"

2. what does that have to do with the price of tea in china?

It was a great shot, but it was last year. you said that he was going to provide dimensions that 'no other player on this team can provide". pretty sure dispite that shot he's no where near the top of the list for players taking the last shot. you go paul, ray, KG for that and move on down the line. I don't hit glen till around 6 or 7.

3. who are you sitting to give him these minutes so he can prove this too us? sheldon's? sheed's? because right now i don't think glen davis has a case for consistent minutes for this team. mabey he'll work back into them, but that's a big if.

and, once again, "intensity" or "proving himself" is not a dimension only he brings. I'll take any of our starters intensity and drive over glen davis.

Hence my "Platooning" statement..there will be some games that Doc will be able to use Glen in that he may not be able to use Shelden.

And I didn't say that Glen provides a dimension that no one else does. He provides a dimension that can help us.

and to further explain "Scrappy"----he throws himself around..not afraid to mix it up..an intangible. That doesn't always show up in the box score.

Sheldon and lester do that too.

So if i get you right, your not in fact saying he adds some new dimension (which i agree with) your saying the dimension he adds is depth to the bench (also agree with)

If that's what were talking about then fine, but it doesn't really seem to jive with the first post trumpeting the dimensions to his game.

Glen will be extremely nice to have back for depth, but he better be ok with not playing some games or limited minutes, because sheldon is playing far to well to be relegated to 12th man as the 5th big once glen comes back.

[GreenFaith1819]

TP to Celtics17, by the way, for bringing up fact that Glen Davis adds a dimension to the Celtics that they have been lacking.

Still waiting for any coherent argument of what it is.

And it is stated..just because you or I may not agree with one another doesn't mean that our opinions are not valid, hence opinions.

[MattG12]

[crownsy]

TP to Celtics17, by the way, for bringing up fact that Glen Davis adds a dimension to the Celtics that they have been lacking.

Still waiting for any coherent argument of what it is.

And it is stated..just because you or I may not agree with one another doesn't mean that our opinions are not valid, hence opinions.

saying something is true with no back up is indeed an opinion, and was what was stated. i was asking for a coherent argument based on said opinion.

If i say the sky is yellow, that's  my opinion and im entitled to it as you surmised.

It's not mean spirited however for someone to ask me to justify that opinion beyond "well, because it's my opinion, thats why."

 by asking for an argument that explains why i think the sky is yellow.

[GreenFaith1819]

TP to Celtics17, by the way, for bringing up fact that Glen Davis adds a dimension to the Celtics that they have been lacking.

Still waiting for any coherent argument of what it is.

And it is stated..just because you or I may not agree with one another doesn't mean that our opinions are not valid, hence opinions.

saying something is true with no back up is indeed an opinion, and was what was stated. i was asking for a coherent argument based on said opinion.

If i say the sky is yellow, that's indeed my opinion and im entitled to it as you surmised.

It's not mean spirited however for someone to ask me to justify that opinion beyond "well, because it's my opinion, thats why."

 by asking for an argument that explains why i think the sky is yellow.

Shelden is more of an inside presence/scorer...Glen has a decent outside shot. I believe I stated that earlier.

[crownsy]

TP to Celtics17, by the way, for bringing up fact that Glen Davis adds a dimension to the Celtics that they have been lacking.

Still waiting for any coherent argument of what it is.

And it is stated..just because you or I may not agree with one another doesn't mean that our opinions are not valid, hence opinions.

saying something is true with no back up is indeed an opinion, and was what was stated. i was asking for a coherent argument based on said opinion.

If i say the sky is yellow, that's indeed my opinion and im entitled to it as you surmised.

It's not mean spirited however for someone to ask me to justify that opinion beyond "well, because it's my opinion, thats why."

 by asking for an argument that explains why i think the sky is yellow.

Shelden is more of an inside presence/scorer...Glen has a decent outside shot. I believe I stated that earlier.

right, and i think we have both hit on that he's a good player and the depth will be nice. The only thing i took issue with was the statement that he brings dimensions no one else does to the team.

It seems from your earlier post you did not mean that as i took it.

I've never disagreed that glen is a better scorer than sheldon.

[BASS_THUMPER]

 fatter?....maybe

i hope he comes back smarter and dont do dumb stuff like bust ya hand up so you cant do ya job

[Redz]

does a bear poop in the woods?

[chelsearules]

BIG BABY UPDATE: The good news on Glen Davis is that Big Baby is getting smaller. He’s been working out every day since he injured his hand in a fight with one of his friends before the season-opener, and sometimes twice a day.

“He hasn’t gained a pound,” Rivers said. “So that’s a great update. That’s a goal for us is for him to come back lighter. He’s looked good. Some days he comes in the morning and works out and comes back at night and runs more.”

While he can’t shoot with his right hand in a cast, Davis has been working on his off-hand, as well.

http://greenstreet.weei.com/sports/boston/basketball/celtics/2009/11/16/open-practice-open-questions/