Thabeet and Carroll for Perkins and Giddens

[greenhead85]

With Thabeet, we become stronger and younger in the paint defensively for the next 10 years. We get a lot more of respect on the defensive end. Perkins can body up on guys like Howard (Dwight) and Bynum of LAL but with lack of height for two inches or more (against Pau and Bynum) the Celts might be in deep danger when we meet LAL in the Finals. The need for an athletic and quick seven footer has become inevitable.

Our loss against the Suns showed our difficulty in guarding quick big men like Amare (later against Pau and Bynum). Sure, a young Garnett could have easily displayed a lot of fear against Amare but it was clearly evident that our bigs are getting challenged on a higher level of play. Even the Hawks' Horford, Bulls' Noah and Yao disregard our strength inside.

Or better yet, Perkins and Giddens for Thabeet then sign Goran Sutton to add another tall,wide-bodied power forward.

[xmuscularghandix]

I already threw up this morning... Perkins is the best center we've had since Robert Parish left, when you have a good center that fits the mold of your team perfectly you don't trade him. Just because Thabeet is 10 feet tall doesn't mean he's gonna be good.

[Kwhit10]

Sorry, no way!  Thabeet doesn't have the body to defend the bigger bodies like Perk does. Perk still blocks about 2 blocks a game.

[Greenbean]

1. We are not getting much younger. Perk is 23.
2. Thabeet is at least 3 years away from being a contributor to a winning team. He can't even get run on a terrible team and you want him to come here and start at center for us?
3. Perk is regarded around the league as a great defender who alows KG to roam around and be a lot more disruptive. He is the anchor of our defense. Hasheem Thabeet would be the 12th man on this team.
4. Perk was on Amare so much in that game because the Suns go small for long stretches and for that reason, they are a tough match up. I think if it was later in the season, and KG was feeling stronger, we would have gone small against that lineup as well with KG at center.

Sorry man...no way

[greenhead85]

Thabeet is 7'3" and even with slight lateral movement and without giving out extra jumps/energy to swat shots is always a plus factor. These dont come always with 6'10" guy. Perkins will always make that extra jump and will be in trouble defending the big guys I have mentioned earlier. Those big guys are logging well in scoring, blocking and rebounding everytime they meet us simply because he's challenged and he does not show anything close to being fearsome to them.

The Chief was a legitimate seven footer and was even challenged to the limit (and at times helplessly)later in the 80's by younger 6'10 and 6'11" guys like Mahorn, Salley and even Oakley.

[jimmehx]

Perk is still young... 23. No way we need to get younger by adding Thabeet?
He's not close to contributing yet. I can't see that trade helping us at all

[Greenbean]

Thabeet is 7'3" and even with slight lateral movement and without giving out extra jumps/energy to swat shots is always a plus factor. These dont come always with 6'10" guy. Perkins will always make that extra jump and will be in trouble defending the big guys I have mentioned earlier. Those big guys are logging well in scoring, blocking and rebounding everytime they meet us simply because he's challenged and he does not show anything close to being fearsome to them.

The Chief was a legitimate seven footer and was even challenged to the limit (and at times helplessly)later in the 80's by younger 6'10 and 6'11" guys like Mahorn, Salley and even Oakley.

I dont know what games you are watching. Perk always does well against centers. i cant remember the last time a big guy went off against us. If we didnt have Perk, last year's series against Orlando would have been a sweep. Dwight Howard looked average and then super human in the next round. Perk has a 7 footer's wing span and moves well enough for a guy his size. He protects the rim very well and doesn't get beat much in the Celtic's demanding rotations.

Okay we get it, you want a guy 2 inches taller. We have KG to defend quicker bigs and Rasheed for that matter. I wouldn't give up Perk for all but probably 4 or 5 centers in this league. Hasheem Thabeet isn't even a starter in this league right now. You cant possibly be making this argument. People are already calling him a bust he is so far behind.

[BballTim]

  Can we file this with all those ridiculous "let's trade Rondo for prospects and replace him with a crap pg" threads e saw last summer?

[greenwise]

Perkins will be a Celtic for life. He is the most solid C we've had since Parish. It should be blasphemy to include him in trade ideas 

[Rondo_is_better]

Perkins is wayyyy bettter than Thabeet. Way better. No deal.

[Roy Hobbs]

1. We are not getting much younger. Perk is 23.
2. Thabeet is at least 3 years away from being a contributor to a winning team. He can't even get run on a terrible team and you want him to come here and start at center for us?
3. Perk is regarded around the league as a great defender who alows KG to roam around and be a lot more disruptive. He is the anchor of our defense. Hasheem Thabeet would be the 12th man on this team.

What he said.  Thabeet has been terrible this year, and would majorly set this team back.
 
For the statistically minded, he's averaging 3.5 points and 10.5 personal fouls per 36 minutes.

I'd like my center to last more than 20 minutes on the floor before fouling out, and I'd like to see him give me more than 2 points in that time, as well.

[screwedupmaniac]

no way man! perk's a beast, and one of the better centers currently in the league!

this topic woulda been more suited for last offseason when we were all in panic mode after losing to orlando 

[greenhead85]

Sure, Perkins is much better now because he's been in the league for the past 5 years.

His set of skills is waiting to be utilized by a coach who knows how to pace him and gradually mesh his talent and skills for the team and the game. Garnett and Sheed will be the perfect fit who can teach him further. He played a good number of years in college thus making him easier to be taught. Moreover, Memphis is not a good fit for him because all playing time and plays are centered on Marc Gasol. Look at Andrew Bynum, he was a bust in his first 2 years. He was almost a non-entity in basketball and now has become a threat to all (not just almost all but all) teams in the league. If we meet LAL (which is projected to be our opponent in the Finals if we get there) this regular season, I guess that will give us an early preview of what-might-be in the playoffs. I think he'll be outplayed and outclassed by Bynum. Not to mention he gives up 2 inches against that guy.

[nickagneta]

Perk is 6th in the league in blocks.

Perk is 3rd in the league in blocks per minute among starters.

Perk is second in the league in blocks per foul.

Perk is now being given credit by opposing coaches as being an All-Defense candidate.

Perk is one of the best one on one low post defenders in the game.

Perk has a good developing low post offensive game with his jump hook, turn around jumper and Kevin McHale head fake, three step, over and under lay in.

Against Dwight Howard, one on one, in a seven game series Perk went for 11 points, 12 boards and 2.5 blocks per game while holding Howard to 6 points below his post season average and 10 percentage points below his post season FG%. Every other team in the league the Magic played doubled Howard in the playoffs and he had better stats.

Perk is 24 years old today, HAPPY BIRTHDAY PERK, and is a 7 year vet.

Thabeet is tall.

Given all those positives for both players, I'll keep Perkins thank you very much.

[xmuscularghandix]

Sure, Perkins is much better now because he's been in the league for the past 5 years.

His set of skills is waiting to be utilized by a coach who knows how to pace him and gradually mesh his talent and skills for the team and the game. Garnett and Sheed will be the perfect fit who can teach him further. He played a good number of years in college thus making him easier to be taught. Moreover, Memphis is not a good fit for him because all playing time and plays are centered on Marc Gasol. Look at Andrew Bynum, he was a bust in his first 2 years. He was almost a non-entity in basketball and now has become a threat to all (not just almost all but all) teams in the league. If we meet LAL (which is projected to be our opponent in the Finals if we get there) this regular season, I guess that will give us an early preview of what-might-be in the playoffs. I think he'll be outplayed and outclassed by Bynum. Not to mention he gives up 2 inches against that guy.

"making him easier to be taught"

Easier than Perkins, who does everything he's told and has consistently improved in every part of the game...

Your far off on this.