2009 CB NBA Draft as a fantasy basketball league.

[RebusRankin]

I don't like the computers. They hate my team. Its like a virtual BCS. Not like voters, who never make mistakes. 

[Roy Hobbs]

I don't really see any situation in which Buffalo, Phoenix, and Seattle would all be ranked outside of the top eight in their conference.

You know what would be interesting?  To compare real teams using this methodology.  My guess is that the teams that score the highest are not likely the best teams in the NBA.

[nickagneta]

I don't like the computers. They hate my team. Its like a virtual BCS. Not like voters, who never make mistakes. 

Your team is suffering from a serious lack of depth. Even if Jamison was playing and getting you near best in the league numbers, the highest your numbers would rise would be slightly above Denver. You are getting nothing from Rodriguez, Skinner, Jones, Kleiza and Jamison. Also, Pachulia, Richardson and Duhon are having bad year's statistically. You are going to need some serious explosion in players games to even think playoffs with this group.

Sorry, just letting you know what the stats are saying.

[nickagneta]

I don't really see any situation in which Buffalo, Phoenix, and Seattle would all be ranked outside of the top eight in their conference.

You know what would be interesting?  To compare real teams using this methodology.  My guess is that the teams that score the highest are not likely the best teams in the NBA.

Here's the thing Roy, like in RR's case with Buffalo, Kleiza is gone and Jamison is hurt. His roster would have ten players and Rodriguez, Duhon, and Pachulia aren't exactly playing great ball this year and Brian Skinner isn't playing at all.

In theory, on paper, does Buffalo look good? Sure. But in reality this is the team they would be putting on the floor tonight:

c:  Dwight Howard
pf: Zaza Pachulia
sf: Al Thornton
sg: Ray Allen
pg: Chris Duhon

bench: Sergio Rodriguez, Quinton Richardson, James Jones

That's it. Eight players with, given the quality of the bench, their starters having to go 45 minutes a night. Almost every one of them.

That team would be awful.

Sorry, RR, not trying to pick on Buffalo, but we can't judge solely on what players did in the past. We also have to see what these players are doing in the present and your team is a poster child why we can not just live in the past and why voting without taking current game quality, injuries, and other factors into consideration is as flawed as just looking at stats is.

[nickagneta]

Do I have a perfect matrix for measuring player performance? No. But I have the only one and it is at least another way of seeing things.

[nickagneta]

I guess I'm feeling a whole lot better about my Travis Outlaw/Raymond Felton for Ramon Sessions/Julian Wright trade now. While Wright and Sessions may not be playing great ball right now, at least they are playing. Travis Outlaw just went down for 3-5 months.

[nickagneta]

Really bored on a slow week at work here so I, for a lark, went back, took a look at all the players I originally drafted and compared how they are doing compared with the team I created at the end.

Wow, the difference is huge.

Currently the Boxers have a team rating in my system of 141. The team I drafted would have had a rating of 102 and would have had Kevin Martin, Andris Biedrins and Aaron Gray  injured and not playing, Wally Szczerbiak out of the league and Darrell Arthur not getting any PT. Yuk.

[nickagneta]

Updated Eastern Conference Standings.

Team                   AVP     #P     TSS

Cleveland          14.49   13   188.45
Orlando              12.98   14   181.66
Philadelphia      12.32  14    172.56
Chicago             12.25   13   159.25
Milwaukee         12.80   12   153.62
Washington       11.11  13    144.48
Boston               12.95   11   142.42
Miami                   9.76   14   136.71
New Jersey       11.27   12   135.29
Indiana              13.11    10   131.18
New York           10.79   12   129.55
Toronto              11.75   11   129.21
Detroit                11.72   11   128.88
Atlanta               14.05      9   126.45
Charlotte             8.87      7    62.06

This is how the voting placed the Eastern Conference

1. Orlando
2. Chicago
3. Toronto
4. Philadelphia
5. Boston
6. New Jersey
7. Detroit
8. Cleveland
9. Washington

Can't find results past the ninth team. Sorry

[Gainesville Celtic]

It's interesting to look at, but ultimately, I think the voting yields more accurate results.  Stats don't tell things like chemistry, fit, position, roster construction, etc. 

Still, nice effort nick.  TP.

... or injuries, falling out of favor, etc. It will be very interesting to see the effect injuries/underperformance have on the all-star break re-voting that we discussed (and that I volunteered to help kickstart). Heck look at a guy like TJ Ford who 2 years ago was one of the cornerstones of POR's team and is now literally out of the rotation for a bad Indiana team.

Just "shows" that the CB draft is at it's core conjecture and fun, and that all teams look at their best on paper (or on the screen as it were) during the CB draft, but that's why they play the games, huh?

A quick glance at the rosters and I think that some of the arguments made by some of us --- the Orlando Magics included --- don't hold up very well. And some players that were overlooked/undervalued --- again including some on the Magics -- are doing better than expected 1/3 of the way through the season.

[Roy Hobbs]

I'm sorry, but there's no way in the world that the three worst teams in the West are Phoenix, San Antonio, and Buffalo.  As mentioned before, the system treats the 15th man on a roster the exact same way it does the team's superstar, which just isn't how the NBA works.

[KCattheStripe]

I'm sorry, but there's no way in the world that the three worst teams in the West are Phoenix, San Antonio, and Buffalo.  As mentioned before, the system treats the 15th man on a roster the exact same way it does the team's superstar, which just isn't how the NBA works.

DJ Mbenga says stop talking so loud.

[nickagneta]

It's interesting to look at, but ultimately, I think the voting yields more accurate results.  Stats don't tell things like chemistry, fit, position, roster construction, etc. 

Still, nice effort nick.  TP.

... or injuries, falling out of favor, etc. It will be very interesting to see the effect injuries/underperformance have on the all-star break re-voting that we discussed (and that I volunteered to help kickstart). Heck look at a guy like TJ Ford who 2 years ago was one of the cornerstones of POR's team and is now literally out of the rotation for a bad Indiana team.

Just "shows" that the CB draft is at it's core conjecture and fun, and that all teams look at their best on paper (or on the screen as it were) during the CB draft, but that's why they play the games, huh?

A quick glance at the rosters and I think that some of the arguments made by some of us --- the Orlando Magics included --- don't hold up very well. And some players that were overlooked/undervalued --- again including some on the Magics -- are doing better than expected 1/3 of the way through the season.

I have to same the same thing. I think before the season looking at paper is wonderful but the reality of the games being played shows that, and sorry Roy and Edgar, it doesn't look like Portland had anywhere near the best team for a lot of reasons that were discussed, age, game performance decline, injuries, etc. It's a deep team with lots of names but no one is really performing extremely well this year. Chicago was seen as being very good on paper but not deep. Paul, Gasol, Martin and Bell have been down for very portions of the year some for very large portions. mI doubt they would be doing very well in real life as a team.

Meanwhile, a team like Houston, that couldn't get out of the second round of the Western Conference playoffs, or Golden State, a team that couldn't get out of the first round of the Western Conference playoffs, might have the best teams in the league. Heck, relooking at things, I think my own Boxers could be a 5th seed in the East.

[Edgar]

It's interesting to look at, but ultimately, I think the voting yields more accurate results.  Stats don't tell things like chemistry, fit, position, roster construction, etc. 

Still, nice effort nick.  TP.

... or injuries, falling out of favor, etc. It will be very interesting to see the effect injuries/underperformance have on the all-star break re-voting that we discussed (and that I volunteered to help kickstart). Heck look at a guy like TJ Ford who 2 years ago was one of the cornerstones of POR's team and is now literally out of the rotation for a bad Indiana team.

Just "shows" that the CB draft is at it's core conjecture and fun, and that all teams look at their best on paper (or on the screen as it were) during the CB draft, but that's why they play the games, huh?

A quick glance at the rosters and I think that some of the arguments made by some of us --- the Orlando Magics included --- don't hold up very well. And some players that were overlooked/undervalued --- again including some on the Magics -- are doing better than expected 1/3 of the way through the season.

I have to same the same thing. I think before the season looking at paper is wonderful but the reality of the games being played shows that, and sorry Roy and Edgar, it doesn't look like Portland had anywhere near the best team for a lot of reasons that were discussed, age, game performance decline, injuries, etc. It's a deep team with lots of names but no one is really performing extremely well this year. Chicago was seen as being very good on paper but not deep. Paul, Gasol, Martin and Bell have been down for very portions of the year some for very large portions. mI doubt they would be doing very well in real life as a team.

Meanwhile, a team like Houston, that couldn't get out of the second round of the Western Conference playoffs, or Golden State, a team that couldn't get out of the first round of the Western Conference playoffs, might have the best teams in the league. Heck, relooking at things, I think my own Boxers could be a 5th seed in the East.

ok nick heres a test
make a fantasy season of the boston celtics
with their players
 and tell me where
they end in this years fantasy (this league) using your runnings.

rookies with inflated stats equals NOT the best team.


P.S. Its a fun stat tough if its fantasy

[Fafnir]

I'm sorry, but there's no way in the world that the three worst teams in the West are Phoenix, San Antonio, and Buffalo.  As mentioned before, the system treats the 15th man on a roster the exact same way it does the team's superstar, which just isn't how the NBA works.

Not to mention that your system doesn't adjust for pace, position played, or even minutes distribution.

You're adding up a ton of raw stats but that isn't what people voted on.

This is my fantasy team:
Rajon Rondo
Monta Ellis
Willie Green
J.R. Smith
Andray Blatche
Josh Howard
Marc Gasol
Emeka Okafor
Grant Hill
Kirk Hinrich
Earl Watson
Kevin Durant
Boris Diaw
David Lee
Nenad Kristic
Ben Wallace

I'm doing pretty well. But if you made an actual team out of this roster they wouldn't be very good.

I do agree that the way the season has played out would change the playoff voting, but not to the extent you suggest.

[Evantime34]

It's interesting to look at, but ultimately, I think the voting yields more accurate results.  Stats don't tell things like chemistry, fit, position, roster construction, etc. 

Still, nice effort nick.  TP.

... or injuries, falling out of favor, etc. It will be very interesting to see the effect injuries/underperformance have on the all-star break re-voting that we discussed (and that I volunteered to help kickstart). Heck look at a guy like TJ Ford who 2 years ago was one of the cornerstones of POR's team and is now literally out of the rotation for a bad Indiana team.

Just "shows" that the CB draft is at it's core conjecture and fun, and that all teams look at their best on paper (or on the screen as it were) during the CB draft, but that's why they play the games, huh?

A quick glance at the rosters and I think that some of the arguments made by some of us --- the Orlando Magics included --- don't hold up very well. And some players that were overlooked/undervalued --- again including some on the Magics -- are doing better than expected 1/3 of the way through the season.

I have to same the same thing. I think before the season looking at paper is wonderful but the reality of the games being played shows that, and sorry Roy and Edgar, it doesn't look like Portland had anywhere near the best team for a lot of reasons that were discussed, age, game performance decline, injuries, etc. It's a deep team with lots of names but no one is really performing extremely well this year. Chicago was seen as being very good on paper but not deep. Paul, Gasol, Martin and Bell have been down for very portions of the year some for very large portions. mI doubt they would be doing very well in real life as a team.

Meanwhile, a team like Houston, that couldn't get out of the second round of the Western Conference playoffs, or Golden State, a team that couldn't get out of the first round of the Western Conference playoffs, might have the best teams in the league. Heck, relooking at things, I think my own Boxers could be a 5th seed in the East.

Thank you for the compliment . My team is a lot better than most gave it credit for, although there were a few that were big supporters Rondo and Roy being the ones that come to mind . I think my team is one of the best in the league. To be fair though not everyone could have envisioned how good Gallanari or Evans would play.