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Re: 2009 CB NBA Draft as a fantasy basketball league.
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2009, 07:28:42 PM »

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Also, just to let you know Roy and Edgar, as soon as Rashard Lewis starts contributing after his suspension is up, your team strength will be amongst the highest.

I expect that ultimately, Portland will rank very high, because of its depth (and thus, high average).  However, I see the standings more as a fun thing, rather than something that tells us a whole lot.

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Re: 2009 CB NBA Draft as a fantasy basketball league.
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2009, 07:33:35 PM »

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My Miami team was voted 2nd to last and now we'd be a 5th seed.  I tried to tell you guys...  Maybe my arguments weren't strong enough. 
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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2009, 07:45:57 PM »

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My Miami team was voted 2nd to last and now we'd be a 5th seed.  I tried to tell you guys...  Maybe my arguments weren't strong enough. 
Gotta realize that this is just another way of looking at things and is based on fantasy numbers for the most part. Here are your top five performing players, tell me if you would expect this group top win real NBA games:

JJ Reddick 87 points
Marresse Speights 77 points
Spencer Hawes 77 points
Travis Outlaw 67 points
Yi Jianlian 52 points.

You have a lot of very mediocre players who happen to be on bad teams and are being productive while playing losing basketball.

This is once again just another thing to judge everything by and is in no way shape or form meant to predict that the results here is how the teams would finish. It is more a judge as to ho productive the players on each team is.

So, if some of the teams that were voted as being good are showing that their players are not being very productive this year, then maybe they shouldn't have been voted so high. If some of the teams that were voted in the middle of each conference that have star quality players suddenly show that their players are having excellent production, maybe they should have been voted higher.  But those teams that were universally voted as bad, are probably always going to be bad because of a lack of talent and no amount of good production will change that.

A good example of that type of team in real life is last years Warriors. Golden State had a bunch of really productive players but no real stars and they had a horrible record.

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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2009, 04:51:56 PM »

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I have the an update on the Western Conference numbers
 


Team                   AVP     #P     TSS

Golden State     14.10    14    197.43
Dallas                14.48    12    173.80
Houston             13.61    12    158.19
Memphis           12.98    12    155.78
Minnesota         10.82    14    151.52
Portland             11.61    13    150.97
Sacramento      10.37    14    145.21
Utah                   12.98      11    142.76
Seattle               12.83      11   141.13
New Orleans    13.77    10    137.77
Las Vegas         11.40    11    125.36
Denver               12.08      10    120.81
Phoenix               9.56    11    114.75
San Antonio      12.64      9    113.84
Buffalo               11.91       8     95.35


This was the seeding for the top 8 spots out West, in case anyone was interested:

1. Buffalo
2. Portland
3. Dallas
4. Seattle
5. Phoenix
6. Houston
7. Golden State
8. Utah

Biggest surprise might be Buffalo's last place current position even though they were voted as the top seed. Main reason for this is they were a shallow team to begin with with just 11 players and have three who have not played a single game and Dwight Howard and Ray Allen aren't putting up dominating stats and Antawn Jamison hasn't played a game. Also, their main bench players have had less than stellar starts to their season thus far.

Again, I will be updating these numbers once or twice a month and if anyone wants a copy of the spreadsheet to see their players statlines or anyone and/or everyone's, send me your e-mail address in a PM and I will gladly send it to you.

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Re: 2009 CB NBA Draft as a fantasy basketball league.
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2009, 04:53:42 PM »

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Wow, Phoenix & Buffalo at the bottom?

Definitely, shocking.


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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2009, 04:55:27 PM »

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No shock that Golden State is killing it in this format.  They were a good team, that has a lot of players that put up big numbers.

Speaking of the draft, Chicago has had an interesting early season.  Ryan Anderson is playing great, but Pau, Martin, and Bell have all battled injuries. 

I haven't been following IP's team that closely, but I'm very surprised to see them statistically struggling so much.

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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2009, 05:01:50 PM »

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No shock that Golden State is killing it in this format.  They were a good team, that has a lot of players that put up big numbers.

Speaking of the draft, Chicago has had an interesting early season.  Ryan Anderson is playing great, but Pau, Martin, and Bell have all battled injuries. 

I haven't been following IP's team that closely, but I'm very surprised to see them statistically struggling so much.
IP's team is struggling statistically due to a severe drop of in rebounding numbers from his big men, the lack of any numbers from Josh Howard, and the lack of playing time and production from Roger Mason and Nate Robinson.
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« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2009, 05:06:29 PM »

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Poor IP.



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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2009, 05:07:09 PM »

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Team in that West that surprises me and that I think will eventually fall and be replaced in the top 8 with IP's Phoenix team is Memphis. Right now they are riding the hot starts of Brook Lopez, Andrea Bargnani, Louis Amundson, and Omar Casspri. When the stats for those guys cool off, Memphis will fall fast.

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« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2009, 05:26:21 PM »

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« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2009, 05:41:26 PM »

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Team in that West that surprises me and that I think will eventually fall and be replaced in the top 8 with IP's Phoenix team is Memphis. Right now they are riding the hot starts of Brook Lopez, Andrea Bargnani, Louis Amundson, and Omar Casspri. When the stats for those guys cool off, Memphis will fall fast.


Or is it possible that the Memphis GM is an above average judge of talent and ability and thus made good decisions that others questioned throughout the draft? I mean, there's got to be some way to prove that... Oh wait, Didn't Wes Matthews drop 12 points in 17 minutes against the Spurs last night?

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« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2009, 05:43:36 PM »

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Team in that West that surprises me and that I think will eventually fall and be replaced in the top 8 with IP's Phoenix team is Memphis. Right now they are riding the hot starts of Brook Lopez, Andrea Bargnani, Louis Amundson, and Omar Casspri. When the stats for those guys cool off, Memphis will fall fast.


Or is it possible that the Memphis GM is an above average judge of talent and ability and thus made good decisions that others questioned throughout the draft? I mean, there's got to be some way to prove that... Oh wait, Didn't Wes Matthews drop 12 points in 17 minutes against the Spurs last night?

No idea about the other three, but I don't expect Lopez's numbers to decline.  He's the real deal.

I voted Memphis into the playoffs, but I think the issue for those that didn't was that the pieces wouldn't mesh very well.

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Re: 2009 CB NBA Draft as a fantasy basketball league.
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2009, 05:48:26 PM »

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Team in that West that surprises me and that I think will eventually fall and be replaced in the top 8 with IP's Phoenix team is Memphis. Right now they are riding the hot starts of Brook Lopez, Andrea Bargnani, Louis Amundson, and Omar Casspri. When the stats for those guys cool off, Memphis will fall fast.


Or is it possible that the Memphis GM is an above average judge of talent and ability and thus made good decisions that others questioned throughout the draft? I mean, there's got to be some way to prove that... Oh wait, Didn't Wes Matthews drop 12 points in 17 minutes against the Spurs last night?

No idea about the other three, but I don't expect Lopez's numbers to decline.  He's the real deal.

I voted Memphis into the playoffs, but I think the issue for those that didn't was that the pieces wouldn't mesh very well.


I think Amundson is benefitting from how fast the Suns are playing so I don't expect those numbers are gonna drop. Bargs' numbers are for real, they are slightly better then they were the second half of last year. Casspi I have high hopes for, he'll either join the starting line up now that KMart is out or he'll hit a massive Rookie Wall.

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« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2009, 06:11:22 PM »

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Team in that West that surprises me and that I think will eventually fall and be replaced in the top 8 with IP's Phoenix team is Memphis. Right now they are riding the hot starts of Brook Lopez, Andrea Bargnani, Louis Amundson, and Omar Casspri. When the stats for those guys cool off, Memphis will fall fast.


Or is it possible that the Memphis GM is an above average judge of talent and ability and thus made good decisions that others questioned throughout the draft? I mean, there's got to be some way to prove that... Oh wait, Didn't Wes Matthews drop 12 points in 17 minutes against the Spurs last night?

No idea about the other three, but I don't expect Lopez's numbers to decline.  He's the real deal.

I voted Memphis into the playoffs, but I think the issue for those that didn't was that the pieces wouldn't mesh very well.


I think Amundson is benefitting from how fast the Suns are playing so I don't expect those numbers are gonna drop. Bargs' numbers are for real, they are slightly better then they were the second half of last year. Casspi I have high hopes for, he'll either join the starting line up now that KMart is out or he'll hit a massive Rookie Wall.
If these numbers were any reasoning to be tooting one's horn KC believe me I would, as the Boxers from the numbers look to be an obvious playoff team and even have those numbers while having a slow start from Stephen Jackson and having Ramon Sessions being squeezed out of a starting job in Minny by Johnny Flyn.

But I don't think they are. I think they are just another measuring stick to judge. My argument was always that the Boxers were based on rebounding and defense and built to stop wing strength teams. I think we were disregarded in a lot of circles because the team is a more chemistry team without the superstars, ala some teams. But I think the real Rockets last year showed a great defensive oriented team, with great chemistry and without superstars can go far and the numbers show that the Boxers can rebound like crazy and can play defense. I said don't disregard Wright, Morrow and Hill as they would be significant offensive factors off the bench and the numbers show they've been doing very well.

But again, I don't think that proves my point. I just think it one of many ways and matrices to look at to see how your team was constructed.

So, if you have a superstar heavy team relying on superstars having great years and good role players but the stats show that your superstars are not producing like they were or that your role players aren't even good enough to be getting playing time in real life, then maybe that team wasn't as well constructed as thought.

If you have a team full of young players and players who aren't great but are on bad teams and everyone could look at that team and know there was no way it would succeed in the real NBA but that team is putting up big numbers because the young players are producing, though maybe not efficiently, and those other players are putting up big numbers because, well because they are getting unwarranted playing time because their team sucks, then these numbers might make that team look a ton better than it really is.

I'm not saying what category your team fits in or that it fits in any of those categories. All I'm saying is this is just another way to look at things and with a small sample size and young season and with the various ways one can interpret data, I wouldn't hang your hat as your team being any better or worse than their actual placing in the vote solely on these numbers.

I know I'm not and thus far the numbers are making the Boxers look better than a bunch of people thought. But a couple of months from now we will see. Long seasons and injuries can do strange things to numbers.


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Team in that West that surprises me and that I think will eventually fall and be replaced in the top 8 with IP's Phoenix team is Memphis. Right now they are riding the hot starts of Brook Lopez, Andrea Bargnani, Louis Amundson, and Omar Casspri. When the stats for those guys cool off, Memphis will fall fast.


Or is it possible that the Memphis GM is an above average judge of talent and ability and thus made good decisions that others questioned throughout the draft? I mean, there's got to be some way to prove that... Oh wait, Didn't Wes Matthews drop 12 points in 17 minutes against the Spurs last night?

No idea about the other three, but I don't expect Lopez's numbers to decline.  He's the real deal.

I voted Memphis into the playoffs, but I think the issue for those that didn't was that the pieces wouldn't mesh very well.


I think Amundson is benefitting from how fast the Suns are playing so I don't expect those numbers are gonna drop. Bargs' numbers are for real, they are slightly better then they were the second half of last year. Casspi I have high hopes for, he'll either join the starting line up now that KMart is out or he'll hit a massive Rookie Wall.
If these numbers were any reasoning to be tooting one's horn KC believe me I would, as the Boxers from the numbers look to be an obvious playoff team and even have those numbers while having a slow start from Stephen Jackson and having Ramon Sessions being squeezed out of a starting job in Minny by Johnny Flyn.

But I don't think they are. I think they are just another measuring stick to judge. My argument was always that the Boxers were based on rebounding and defense and built to stop wing strength teams. I think we were disregarded in a lot of circles because the team is a more chemistry team without the superstars, ala some teams. But I think the real Rockets last year showed a great defensive oriented team, with great chemistry and without superstars can go far and the numbers show that the Boxers can rebound like crazy and can play defense. I said don't disregard Wright, Morrow and Hill as they would be significant offensive factors off the bench and the numbers show they've been doing very well.

But again, I don't think that proves my point. I just think it one of many ways and matrices to look at to see how your team was constructed.

So, if you have a superstar heavy team relying on superstars having great years and good role players but the stats show that your superstars are not producing like they were or that your role players aren't even good enough to be getting playing time in real life, then maybe that team wasn't as well constructed as thought.

If you have a team full of young players and players who aren't great but are on bad teams and everyone could look at that team and know there was no way it would succeed in the real NBA but that team is putting up big numbers because the young players are producing, though maybe not efficiently, and those other players are putting up big numbers because, well because they are getting unwarranted playing time because their team sucks, then these numbers might make that team look a ton better than it really is.

I'm not saying what category your team fits in or that it fits in any of those categories. All I'm saying is this is just another way to look at things and with a small sample size and young season and with the various ways one can interpret data, I wouldn't hang your hat as your team being any better or worse than their actual placing in the vote solely on these numbers.

I know I'm not and thus far the numbers are making the Boxers look better than a bunch of people thought. But a couple of months from now we will see. Long seasons and injuries can do strange things to numbers.


I don't hang my hat solely on these numbers. However they do validate that statistical production I predicted for some players I chose who others bashed , like Bargs. I'm glad that all these players are producing because it justifies my selections of them, that coupled with the fact that the piece on this team fit remarkably well helps prove my argument from this summer that I thought this team was a playoff team with title aspirations down the line.  That being said, I do think my Starting line up has changed a bit:

PG: TP/ Mo Williams
SG: Cook/ Fernanez
SF: Chandler/ Casspi
PF: Bargs/ Diaw
C: Lopez/ Amundson/

Out of rotation: Diener/ DJ White/ Mbenga/ Nando De Col

We're a playoff team this year and a title contender tomorrow.