The Future

[Roy Hobbs]

I think the worst thing that could happen is if the Celtics went into the future with Rondo, Perk and a bunch of quality role players.  


Recipe for the 13th to 18th pick in the draft every year.



Much rather the clear the cupboards of all tradeable role players (save Perk and Rondo) stink for a year or two, and add the two offensive players they need.  

Recipe for a top 5 pick every year.  If Perk is one of the two stars I would hate to see the quality of the role players!

I tend to think the same thing.  Rondo + Perk as your stars doesn't get you near the playoffs, in my opinion.

I think Rondo, Perk and a collection of good role players is enough to win games in the regular season.  At least enough games to just miss the playoffs or sneak in on those bad years where under 500 teams make the playoffs. 

I'm not so sure.  For the sake of comparison, a team with Nash, Amare, Richardson, and Shaq missed the playoffs last year.  A team with Devin Harris, Brook Lopez, and Vince Carter missed (and wasn't close).  Bosh, Calderon, and Bargnani didn't make it. 

There are plenty of other examples.  I think it will take more than a pass-first PG and a defensive center to get a team outside of the bottom five.  I mean, Pierce couldn't get the Celtics outside of the bottom-7 when playing with Perk and some solid role players.  I doubt Rondo can, either.

[wdleehi]

I think the worst thing that could happen is if the Celtics went into the future with Rondo, Perk and a bunch of quality role players.  


Recipe for the 13th to 18th pick in the draft every year.



Much rather the clear the cupboards of all tradeable role players (save Perk and Rondo) stink for a year or two, and add the two offensive players they need.  

Recipe for a top 5 pick every year.  If Perk is one of the two stars I would hate to see the quality of the role players!

I tend to think the same thing.  Rondo + Perk as your stars doesn't get you near the playoffs, in my opinion.

I think Rondo, Perk and a collection of good role players is enough to win games in the regular season.  At least enough games to just miss the playoffs or sneak in on those bad years where under 500 teams make the playoffs. 

The Clippers have FAR more talent than this hypothetical team.

They do?  


They have a lot more overhyped players.  They have playes that don't seem to fit.  (mind you this is without Griffin)  They have to many long injuries.


Not to mention, they are the CLIPPERS.  No matter who they have on the team, they are never very good.


Now compare them to the Bobcats, who were only 4 games out of the playoffs in the East last year.

[pengaloo]

I wonder if Perk can turn into Dwight Howard.

Otherwise, this thread is depressing...

[wdleehi]

I think the worst thing that could happen is if the Celtics went into the future with Rondo, Perk and a bunch of quality role players.  


Recipe for the 13th to 18th pick in the draft every year.



Much rather the clear the cupboards of all tradeable role players (save Perk and Rondo) stink for a year or two, and add the two offensive players they need.  

Recipe for a top 5 pick every year.  If Perk is one of the two stars I would hate to see the quality of the role players!

I tend to think the same thing.  Rondo + Perk as your stars doesn't get you near the playoffs, in my opinion.

I think Rondo, Perk and a collection of good role players is enough to win games in the regular season.  At least enough games to just miss the playoffs or sneak in on those bad years where under 500 teams make the playoffs. 

I'm not so sure.  For the sake of comparison, a team with Nash, Amare, Richardson, and Shaq missed the playoffs last year.  A team with Devin Harris, Brook Lopez, and Vince Carter missed (and wasn't close).  Bosh, Calderon, and Bargnani didn't make it. 

There are plenty of other examples.  I think it will take more than a pass-first PG and a defensive center to get a team outside of the bottom five.  I mean, Pierce couldn't get the Celtics outside of the bottom-7 when playing with Perk and some solid role players.  I doubt Rondo can, either.

Phoenix won 46 games.  Would have been the 5th seed in the East.

[Brickowski]

I think I would be one of the happiest guys alive if we could bring in Durant, I love that guy's game.

God, I hate Durant's game.  Chucker who doesn't defend.  I'd much rather have Jeff Green.

I agree with Roy Hobbs that our only two building blocks are Rondo and Perk, although Hudson may develop into a useful "third guard."  Daniels is a good player, but he's on a one year deal and is 28 years old.  House is also older, and BBD only has a 2-year deal and may well leave to get minutes elsewhere.

IMHO the rebuilding should start before KG's contract expires.  The year after next Danny should be looking at promising young players with his MLE, not veterans.  He also needs to draft one more decent player.  I do not see any other youngish player on this roster who will ever be a starting caliber NBA player.

[xmuscularghandix]

I wonder if Perk can turn into Dwight Howard.

Otherwise, this thread is depressing...

Perk is a Defensive stopper who's offense has steadily improved every year. what are you talking about? Dwight Howard?

[Chris]

I think the worst thing that could happen is if the Celtics went into the future with Rondo, Perk and a bunch of quality role players.  


Recipe for the 13th to 18th pick in the draft every year.



Much rather the clear the cupboards of all tradeable role players (save Perk and Rondo) stink for a year or two, and add the two offensive players they need.  

Recipe for a top 5 pick every year.  If Perk is one of the two stars I would hate to see the quality of the role players!

I tend to think the same thing.  Rondo + Perk as your stars doesn't get you near the playoffs, in my opinion.

I think Rondo, Perk and a collection of good role players is enough to win games in the regular season.  At least enough games to just miss the playoffs or sneak in on those bad years where under 500 teams make the playoffs. 

I'm not so sure.  For the sake of comparison, a team with Nash, Amare, Richardson, and Shaq missed the playoffs last year.  A team with Devin Harris, Brook Lopez, and Vince Carter missed (and wasn't close).  Bosh, Calderon, and Bargnani didn't make it. 

There are plenty of other examples.  I think it will take more than a pass-first PG and a defensive center to get a team outside of the bottom five.  I mean, Pierce couldn't get the Celtics outside of the bottom-7 when playing with Perk and some solid role players.  I doubt Rondo can, either.

Which is why you should prepare for the stories about Danny offering Perk for a top 5 pick (again) this offseason.

Danny knows more than anyone that you need to blow something up to rebuild it, and you cannot win a championship on a team built around flawed players.  He knew this when he traded away Antoine 2 years removed from the conference finals, and he will know this when Perk starts asking for Dalembert money.

[clover]

I'm not so sure Perk isn't willing to make himself a bargain again in his next contract.  Also, in another 2 years he'll only be 26 and still more advanced offensively.  The center and PG positions are the hardest to fill and take the longest to learn.

[Chris]

The center and PG positions are the hardest to fill and take the longest to learn.

Another hugely overrated thing in todays NBA.  In the NBA today, position is nowhere nearly as important as talent.  So if you go around paying a guy significantly more because he plays center or PG than a more talented (and productive) player at another position, you are going to be in trouble.

[moiso]

Rondo and Perk wouldn't be the same exact players on an untalented team, either.  They may get better numbers, but they wouldn't be the same.  Less talented teams play less defense, teamwork suffers, etc.  Look at Pierce in those "lost years".  He wasn't the same Pierce as early in his career or now.  He was more of a selfish player who played less defense.  Bad teams are more individual oriented.
Another factor is that you just don't get many good role players to play for untalented teams.  Do you think we'd get players like PJ Brown, Posey, House, Sheed, and Daniels to back up a team starring Rondo and Perk?  Never.  We'd get Dan Dickau/Scalabrine types.

[xmuscularghandix]

2011 will have 38 Mil on the books, 39 if Walker is still around.

One problem is that as of now Perk, PP, and Ray aren't signed for that upcoming season.

This offseason will have some sort of signing towards the future, or a big move will be made. This is who's available.

Jamal Crawford will be 31.
Josh Howard will be 31.
JR Smith will be 26.
Teyshaun Prince will be 31.
Kelenna Azubuike will be 27.
Mike Dunleavy will be 31.
RJ will be 31.
AK47 will be 30.
Caron Butler will be 31.
Channing Frye will be 28.

[Mr October]

Rondo at the 1 and Perkins at the 5 are solid bookends.

The Celtics will need 1 kick butt all star at the 2, 3 or 4 in order to make the playoffs in the future.

In addition to a kick butt all star, the C's will need a SUPERSTAR (a consistent all NBA 1st or 2nd teamer), in order to compete for a title.

For example add a Chris Bosh type, and the the C's can win 45 games. Add Bosh, and Dwayne Wade to Rondo, Perkins and 3-4 solid role players and you have a contender.

There will be much work do to 3 years from now.

[celticmaestro]

[Mr October]

Wont the thunder just match any offers?

[xmuscularghandix]

Wont the thunder just match any offers?

He'd be good becuase of how young he is, and technically everything we say he can't do now he might be able to do in 3 or 4 years.... when he'll still be like 25 years old.