We'll know the fate of Giddens today...

[NextCeltic34]

Giddens never got the opportunity.

[Chris]

Giddens never got the opportunity.

Yup, Doc ruined his career just like he ruined Marcus Banks, Gerald Green, Orien Green, and Patrick O'Bryant's.

[JPMmiles]

No one the C''s have picked up in the second has been great, just okay to pretty good. The second round is littered with players the quality of Powe, Baby, and Gomes.

Leon Powe was fought over by two of the 3 best teams in the league last year and routinely put up double-double performances during the title run.

Gomes is averaging 12 and 5 for his career.

Big Baby averaged a double-double in last year's playoffs filling in for one of the two best power forwards of the last 10 years.

You think the second round is "littered" with players of that quality?  Are you high?

And sorry, I think Tony Allen was a bad pick.

Disagree.  He was playing out of his mind before he got hurt.  Pierce was out and he averaged something like 18 points for the month.  He was also a lockdown defender.  It's easy to forget those things now, but he was better than Marquis Daniels.  I have almost no use for him now, but that's due to injury, not because he was a bad pick.

I think Giddens was a bad pick.

A bit early to tell, but who would you have taken instead?  Not a single star has risen out of the second round that year.

I think Green was a bad pick.

 

I don't disagree, but I challenge you to look back at the players still available at #18 that year.  There are a couple of decent players on the list (David Lee stands out), but there are no star players taken after him.

[BballTim]

Giddens never got the opportunity.

Yup, Doc ruined his career just like he ruined Marcus Banks, Gerald Green, Orien Green, and Patrick O'Bryant's.

  I think that Gerald, Orien and Patrick all wish their careers had been "ruined" like Bank's was, or else they ope to also find a gm too stupid to notice.

[Lucky17]

I think Giddens was a bad pick.

A bit early to tell, but who would you have taken instead?  Not a single star has risen out of the second round that year.

Hindsight is 20/20, but Mario Chalmers, Chris Douglas-Roberts, and Luc Mbah a Moute have all already demonstrated they are worthy of a roster spot in the NBA.

[kozlodoev]

I think Giddens was a bad pick.

A bit early to tell, but who would you have taken instead?  Not a single star has risen out of the second round that year.

Mario Chalmers was picked after Giddens, and established himself as a legitimate contributor on the NBA level in his rookie season. He also addressed a need for our team.

Hindsight, of course, is 20/20.

[JPMmiles]

Let me help you both out:

Hunter was drafted in 2003, and we drafted Justin Reed in 2004. TP, please.

Done (although it doesn't really change my point).

[JPMmiles]

Hindsight is 20/20, but Mario Chalmers, Chris Douglas-Roberts, and Luc Mbah a Moute have all already demonstrated they are worthy of a roster spot in the NBA.

I'll give you Chalmers (not a star, but a good rotation player).

CDR averaged 5/1/1 last year for the Nets.
Mbah a Moute did average 7/5 last year, but we should keep in mind that he had to crack a roster loaded with such talent as Joe Alexander and Roko Ukic.

So we've identified 2.5 players drafted in the 30 spots after Giddens that are better than Giddens.  Oh yeah.  Danny TOTALLY blew it on that one.   

[guava_wrench]

I'd be surprised if JR makes it through the season.

There's a reason Billy Walker got spot minutes last year, and JR did not.  There's a reason that Hudson comes into the blowouts with eight minutes left, and JR comes in with three.  He's absolutely the last man on the roster, and would not be dressing if there were not the injuries behind him.  He's shown so far all of TA's dumb mistakes while not having any of the corresponding highlights, unless you want to overvalue a single 13-rebound performance in a game that doesn't count.  He plays fast and out of control whether it's in Summer League, Preseason, or Garbage Time. 

He's of far less help to this team than Pruitt was, and they let him go without a second thought.

Maybe Giddens COULD learn to play at this level, but he needs to learn how to play in control, it seems that the game needs to slow down for him.  Maybe a few months in the D-League will help, but I'm doubtful. 

The only positive thing I've seen from Giddens is that he makes TA look not half bad.

good summary of the situation. giddens had little besides the high-hopes of folks here at cb...myself included.

if he is cut, the celtics will do just fine.

but i guess the real question now becomes who will replace him on the roster.

I don't see them cutting him. Just not picking up 3rd year.

Not much of a disappointment though as he was a bit of a reach in the first round.

[hwangjini_1]

So the total of Celtics' expiring contracts increases by $1.1 million at 6:30 this evening? Can't say it would be a surprise.

As for the vaunted draft expertise of one Daniel Ainge I'm not sure his prowess is so great:

2003 Dahntay Jones and Troy Bell - which he traded away for Kendrick Perkins and Marcus Banks

2004 Al Jefferson, Delonte West, Tony Allen, Brandon Hunter

2005 Gerald Green, Oriene Green, Ryan Gomes

2006 Randy Foye - who was then traded for Sebastian Telfair

2007 Gabe Pruitt, Jeff Green - traded to Seattle with others for Ray Allen and rights to Glen Davis

2008 J. R. Giddens, Semih Erden

2009 Lester Hudson

Let me help you out here:

2003 Kendrick Perkins and Marcus Banks

2004 Al Jefferson, Delonte West, Tony Allen, Brandon Hunter

2005 Gerald Green, Oriene Green, Ryan Gomes

2006 traded for Sebastian Telfair, Rondo, Powe

2007 Gabe Pruitt, a trade to Seattle with others for Ray Allen and rights to Glen Davis

2008 J. R. Giddens, Bill Walker, Semih Erden

2009 Lester Hudson

Let me help you both out:

Hunter was drafted in 2003, and we drafted Justin Reed in 2004. TP, please.

you got one.

[hwangjini_1]

Giddens never got the opportunity.

i think maybe he did during team practices.

[Lucky17]

Hindsight is 20/20, but Mario Chalmers, Chris Douglas-Roberts, and Luc Mbah a Moute have all already demonstrated they are worthy of a roster spot in the NBA.

I'll give you Chalmers (not a star, but a good rotation player).

CDR averaged 5/1/1 last year for the Nets.
Mbah a Moute did average 7/5 last year, but we should keep in mind that he had to crack a roster loaded with such talent as Joe Alexander and Roko Ukic.

So we've identified 2.5 players drafted in the 30 spots after Giddens that are better than Giddens.  Oh yeah.  Danny TOTALLY blew it on that one.   

Well, personally, I'd jump at the chance to acquire DeAndre Jordan, Joey Dorsey, Kyle Weaver, Sonny Weems, or Nathan Jawai in a straight-up deal for Giddens.

[slamtheking]

I'd be surprised if JR makes it through the season.

There's a reason Billy Walker got spot minutes last year, and JR did not.  There's a reason that Hudson comes into the blowouts with eight minutes left, and JR comes in with three.  He's absolutely the last man on the roster, and would not be dressing if there were not the injuries behind him.  He's shown so far all of TA's dumb mistakes while not having any of the corresponding highlights, unless you want to overvalue a single 13-rebound performance in a game that doesn't count.  He plays fast and out of control whether it's in Summer League, Preseason, or Garbage Time. 

He's of far less help to this team than Pruitt was, and they let him go without a second thought.

Maybe Giddens COULD learn to play at this level, but he needs to learn how to play in control, it seems that the game needs to slow down for him.  Maybe a few months in the D-League will help, but I'm doubtful. 

The only positive thing I've seen from Giddens is that he makes TA look not half bad.

good summary of the situation. giddens had little besides the high-hopes of folks here at cb...myself included.

if he is cut, the celtics will do just fine.

but i guess the real question now becomes who will replace him on the roster.

I don't see them cutting him. Just not picking up 3rd year.

Not much of a disappointment though as he was a bit of a reach in the first round.

At this point I've got to agree I don't see his option being picked up.  I was rooting for him this year to show he's got some skills worth keeping but he just hasn't shown he needs to be on the court.  His defense is ok but his offense is non-existant.  If he's not used as a trading chip at the deadline, he won't be back next year.

[Spilling Green Dye]

I think Danny drafted for raw talent in the first round with the intention of trading them at some point.  He chose experienced players with some kind of issue (undersized / injury) who could contribute in the second round.

I've always thought Rivers is grossly overrated in here and everywhere else as a developer of players.  Perk and Jefferson were going nowhere until Clifford Ray came on board.  The defense was a collossal joke until Thibs came on board.

I could not agree more.  There were so many players who looked good (Rondo, Gomes, Powe, etc etc etc) that Doc would bench in favor of worse players (Telfair, Scalabrine, etc).  I still don't think Doc has been all that influential in Rondo's development, and Doc's defenses were awful.  Doc becomes a good coach when there aren't a lot of options for rotations and he's surrounded by assistants who come up with the actual schemes.  Thankfully that is the case now.

[Spilling Green Dye]

No one the C''s have picked up in the second has been great, just okay to pretty good. The second round is littered with players the quality of Powe, Baby, and Gomes.

Leon Powe was fought over by two of the 3 best teams in the league last year and routinely put up double-double performances during the title run.

Gomes is averaging 12 and 5 for his career.

Big Baby averaged a double-double in last year's playoffs filling in for one of the two best power forwards of the last 10 years.

You think the second round is "littered" with players of that quality?  Are you high?

And sorry, I think Tony Allen was a bad pick.

Disagree.  He was playing out of his mind before he got hurt.  Pierce was out and he averaged something like 18 points for the month.  He was also a lockdown defender.  It's easy to forget those things now, but he was better than Marquis Daniels.  I have almost no use for him now, but that's due to injury, not because he was a bad pick.

I think Giddens was a bad pick.

A bit early to tell, but who would you have taken instead?  Not a single star has risen out of the second round that year.

I think Green was a bad pick.

 

I don't disagree, but I challenge you to look back at the players still available at #18 that year.  There are a couple of decent players on the list (David Lee stands out), but there are no star players taken after him.

I think you're being a bit harsh as well as over-valuing some of the players mentioned.  Tell me what teams would pay for BBD, Tony Allen, Powe, Gomes, Green, etc right now?  It's not that much.  I love Powe got he got a minimum deal.  BBD did not average a double double in the playoffs (no way he got 10 rebounds a game) and outside of Boston he's not that well known or appreciated.  This seems mostly a case of our fans thinking the world of our players.

Danny has ended up with some decent product from late first and second round picks, which make him a good GM.  However, the names you mentioned have not panned out as well as you make them sound.