What I like about Shelden Williams

[PRIDE]

Shelden Williams has all the potential to pass Glen Davis on the depth chart but not until he learns to BOX OUT. He doesn't carve out space like BBD does. Shelden looks clumsy and top heavy unlike BBD who uses his lower body to gain position. Shelden has a lot of rebounding ability, but he doesn't know how to use it. I really hope Clifford Ray can mold him into a decent player for us.

[fairweatherfan]

I've been very happy with Shelden so far; his defense seems good, he's working hard, pulling in a lot of rebounds and hitting some chippies, drawing fouls and making a decent FT%.  I wish his hands were better but I take him over Mikki Moore 10 times out of 10.

Whether or not he's gonna get Baby's minutes is a different topic and not anyone here's decision anyway.  But he's been a reliable lunchpail guy and has contributed positively to the team.  He can always be better, and I hope he gets better, but what he's given us is more than satisfactory for a guy with his role in my opinion.

[Birdbrain]

He's always been tough and rebounded well so those that consider that most important attributes for a backup PF will probably be happy with him over BBD.  And with all the talent on the C's they really don't need BBD's all around game. A player such as Williams who can do a few important things well maybe a better fit.  This seems like a win/win scenario to me.  Let Williams get those minutes and if BBD comes back ready to play in a couple of months let them play it out and see who wants the minutes more.

This thread was meant to be a compliment about Williams, not a bashing of BBD however just like the POWE and BBD threads in the past it kind of has to come into play.

Interesting how someone would ever want their PF to be tough defensively and rebound well. What kind of idiot fans are out there?! Your "all around game" label of BBD is hilarious since he is a PF who can't rebound, can't block shots, can't score in the low post due to absolutely no vertical yet can't defend on the perimter. So you basically have a PF who is a decent outside shooter, a decent passer, and is a solid defender against huge men in the post since he weighs a ton (which may not still be the case as he dropped a bunch of weight to his credit). Not really sure how you get "all around game" out of that.

I will take a decent shooter, decent low post player, tough defender, and very good rebounder as my backup to the backup big ANY DAY OF THE WEEK! Shelden is the perfect blend of Powe and BBD.

Cool although like I said neither Powe or Williams has BBD all around game.  You are the one that drug the comparison into the discussion.  I'm happy for Williams.

[Reyquila]

BBD and Shelden are different players who can be played in different situations, so we have the best of bothe worlds. BBD is more of the outside shooter, which we may need on occasions and Shelden is taller and will be more usefull in the inside tug of war. They can co-exist. Their only problem is that they will have to share their limited amount of minutes to be played, so they will play less than both of them would want to. Thats the way the cookie crumbles. Thats life; so be it. 

[EJPLAYA]

Sheldon is not a blend of Power/BBD at all!

He's an awful awful offensive player. BBD/Powe are both solid offensive options, in different ways.

Sheldon is a more typical 4th/5th big.

Interesting because the stats don't really back you up there. Shelden Williams has basically the same shooting percentage as BBD does from the floor, and also shoots a better % from the free throw line. He actually can finish around the basket and shoots the outside jumper as well as BBD does. Unless you are changing your story to BBD is an AWFUL offensive player as well I think you are overdoing the comment against Williams.

[EJPLAYA]

He's always been tough and rebounded well so those that consider that most important attributes for a backup PF will probably be happy with him over BBD.  And with all the talent on the C's they really don't need BBD's all around game. A player such as Williams who can do a few important things well maybe a better fit.  This seems like a win/win scenario to me.  Let Williams get those minutes and if BBD comes back ready to play in a couple of months let them play it out and see who wants the minutes more.

This thread was meant to be a compliment about Williams, not a bashing of BBD however just like the POWE and BBD threads in the past it kind of has to come into play.

Interesting how someone would ever want their PF to be tough defensively and rebound well. What kind of idiot fans are out there?! Your "all around game" label of BBD is hilarious since he is a PF who can't rebound, can't block shots, can't score in the low post due to absolutely no vertical yet can't defend on the perimter. So you basically have a PF who is a decent outside shooter, a decent passer, and is a solid defender against huge men in the post since he weighs a ton (which may not still be the case as he dropped a bunch of weight to his credit). Not really sure how you get "all around game" out of that.

I will take a decent shooter, decent low post player, tough defender, and very good rebounder as my backup to the backup big ANY DAY OF THE WEEK! Shelden is the perfect blend of Powe and BBD.

Cool although like I said neither Powe or Williams has BBD all around game.  You are the one that drug the comparison into the discussion.  I'm happy for Williams.

You actually did say BBD had an all around game (see the markerd above)but I definitely think its nice we have him with BBD being out and Powe not being here. Considering the fact that he is the 4th big it really shouldn't be too big of a deal either way. I don't think either one of them is going to see the floor a ton. TP to you for the discussion!

[Birdbrain]

Yeah and I believe that (especially his outside game and passing and etc...) but, I think Williams can be just as effective or even more so for a team with the talent the C's have.

[Bankshot]

BBD haters trying to find someone to take his minutes. Powe couldn't do it, now trying out Shelden. lol

[2short]

First off I was going to start a thread on the new 3!  But we can discuss Sheldon first.  Side note: great off season for danny!!
I am not picking on powe (who i love) or davis in anyway just pointing out what I see.
Sheldon has the defensive rotations down already better than Leon ever did.  He does not have the offensive post game of Leon but could improve.  Leon mainly scored/drew fouls through smarts, look at Perks progress from his first season  
Williams is a better rebounder than Davis without a doubt, Powe not sure as he was a great rebounder.  What Sheldon has is a 6'9" or so body with really long arms and he's athletic.  I'm not going to judge Williams until the end of the year as he is going to improve and the pt he is getting can only help.

How long is he under contract with us?

just this season for Vet min - about 800K$ according to hoopshype

nice & affordable too bad he isn't signed up for longer

SPECIAL NOTE for those people who are knocking Williams

KG, Perk, Wallace then sheldon/scal depending on matchup we aren't talking about a 1st stringer

[EJPLAYA]

BBD haters trying to find someone to take his minutes. Powe couldn't do it, now trying out Shelden. lol

Just as ridiculous as those who are too hard on BBD are those who are too easy on him and refuse to admit the guy has some pretty serious flaws. It isn't like the guy has a 90% complete game and one glaring weakness. He has 3-4 glaring weaknesses. Just ask all those other GM's who could have signed him this offseason for a song. There is a reason DA tried so hard to go out and fill his spot and why no one out there wanted any part of the Big Baby.

As far as Powe goes, Powe DID take away his minutes and if it weren't for the injury you would have seen a ton of Powe in the playoffs and very little BBD. Just like the year before.

[BudweiserCeltic]

BBD haters trying to find someone to take his minutes. Powe couldn't do it, now trying out Shelden. lol

Just as ridiculous as those who are too hard on BBD are those who are too easy on him and refuse to admit the guy has some pretty serious flaws. It isn't like the guy has a 90% complete game and one glaring weakness. He has 3-4 glaring weaknesses. Just ask all those other GM's who could have signed him this offseason for a song. There is a reason DA tried so hard to go out and fill his spot and why no one out there wanted any part of the Big Baby.

As far as Powe goes, Powe DID take away his minutes and if it weren't for the injury you would have seen a ton of Powe in the playoffs and very little BBD. Just like the year before.

It's the magnitude applied to his weaknesses when compared to his strengths.

[Who]

I like Williams, he's a nice addition. Very good rebounder.

Shelden is one of the best 5th/6th string big men in the league. If he could improve his defense then he'd be a good rotation player.

[GKC]

He has been very adept at getting to the free throw line (although it is a small sample size of 2 games) which is something Powe did well.

He still has rock hands sometimes, but I'll give him time to improve.

[moiso]

Sheldon is not a blend of Power/BBD at all!

He's an awful awful offensive player. BBD/Powe are both solid offensive options, in different ways.

Sheldon is a more typical 4th/5th big.

Interesting because the stats don't really back you up there. Shelden Williams has basically the same shooting percentage as BBD does from the floor, and also shoots a better % from the free throw line. He actually can finish around the basket and shoots the outside jumper as well as BBD does. Unless you are changing your story to BBD is an AWFUL offensive player as well I think you are overdoing the comment against Williams.

Actually Williams can't finish around the rim either.  It's been his biggest weakness in the nba.  But he's twice the rebounder that Baby is.

[EJPLAYA]

BBD haters trying to find someone to take his minutes. Powe couldn't do it, now trying out Shelden. lol

Just as ridiculous as those who are too hard on BBD are those who are too easy on him and refuse to admit the guy has some pretty serious flaws. It isn't like the guy has a 90% complete game and one glaring weakness. He has 3-4 glaring weaknesses. Just ask all those other GM's who could have signed him this offseason for a song. There is a reason DA tried so hard to go out and fill his spot and why no one out there wanted any part of the Big Baby.

As far as Powe goes, Powe DID take away his minutes and if it weren't for the injury you would have seen a ton of Powe in the playoffs and very little BBD. Just like the year before.

It's the magnitude applied to his weaknesses when compared to his strengths.

Fair enough, but I am not sure how someone can over emphasize an inability to rebound well out of your PF. Or an inability to score AT ALL on the low block. Those are such HUGE weaknesses that are core needs from that spot that it's hard to understand how those can be overlooked. Once again, I think the fact is that if he were such a great "overall player" that more than made up for those weaknesses he wouldn't have been taken in the second round of the draft and would have at least had an offer or two from someone out there in the league. I think he's liked because he is a lovable guy who is unique rather than truly held to the fire.