If doc is a good coach why does he do this?

[RockinRyA]

if it becomes a trend, id be concerned.

Does last season count as a trend? 

im giving a clean slate for this season ^_^

well i hope that when scal tony and billy all comes back this wont happen again. i mean why would you want to watch ray allen still playing in garbage time when you could watch billy dunk?  

[crownsy]

Here's what I don't understand:  why can't Doc's most strident supporters admit that there are some things he does less than perfectly?

I'm absolutely on board with the idea that Doc plays Ray too many minutes.  Tonight was a perfect opportunity to get all of the starters plenty of rest.

I specifically said that I wanted him out a little earlier, But i'm not going to toss and turn all night over what i consider three extra minutes.

If he continues to play ray 38 instead of 32-34 minutes in blow outs, then mabey I'll agree with you, but it's game freaking 2.

Can't doc's detractors admit that not every single thing they want to nitpick is a black mark on doc's coaching abilities?

[vl819]

Here's what I don't understand:  why can't Doc's most strident supporters admit that there are some things he does less than perfectly?

I'm absolutely on board with the idea that Doc plays Ray too many minutes.  Tonight was a perfect opportunity to get all of the starters plenty of rest.

TP. This is why you're Roy Hobbs

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Cause JR is turrible. Besides Q was in foul trouble, and Ray was rusty as hell.

[Atzar]

Ummmm because Pierce and Daniels were in early foul trouble, Scal, the backup 3 this year, is hurt, and, BTW unless you weren't paying attention during the fourth period, JR Giddens is pathetic against second team Bobcats, nevermind first team Bobcats.

What is he supposed to do, reward Giddens for playing horribly by making him the first 3 off the bench in the third quarter because the fans are worried that Ray has played too many minutes after JUST TWO GAMES!!

Come on. Get real. This isn't mid season. It's game freaking 2.

How will Giddens get better this year if he can't even get into games to relieve 33 year olds when they're up 20 points at home?

By playing in the D-League?  This is a championship team.  Giddens' development is not a priority.

[Eja117]

Here's what I don't understand:  why can't Doc's most strident supporters admit that there are some things he does less than perfectly?

I'm absolutely on board with the idea that Doc plays Ray too many minutes.  Tonight was a perfect opportunity to get all of the starters plenty of rest.

I specifically said that I wanted him out a little earlier, But i'm not going to toss and turn all night over what i consider three extra minutes.

Can't doc's detractors admit that not every single thing they want to nitpick is a black mark on doc's coaching abilities?

I guess that's why someone said "If it becomes a trend"

Coaches probably don't coach their best in the first ten games, the same way players sometimes don't play their best then either

[nickagneta]

I think he played him a bit too long tonight but I think there were extenuating circumstances tonight that Doc detractors can never seem to fathom.

You can never reward bad play. Period. Ever.

If a rookie or young player just isn't listening to coaching, not playing the proper defense and just isn't getting it you can not reward that with meaningful playing time. It sets the wrong message.

I'm on board with the way Doc handled tonight. Pierce and Daniels were in foul trouble. He actually tried to use Giddens in the first half and the kid was LOST out there. You can not reward that with more play because there exists a fan base that thinks they know more about handle a 13 year veteran than the head coach does. Especially when it's game 2.

[Eja117]

Ummmm because Pierce and Daniels were in early foul trouble, Scal, the backup 3 this year, is hurt, and, BTW unless you weren't paying attention during the fourth period, JR Giddens is pathetic against second team Bobcats, nevermind first team Bobcats.

What is he supposed to do, reward Giddens for playing horribly by making him the first 3 off the bench in the third quarter because the fans are worried that Ray has played too many minutes after JUST TWO GAMES!!

Come on. Get real. This isn't mid season. It's game freaking 2.

How will Giddens get better this year if he can't even get into games to relieve 33 year olds when they're up 20 points at home?

By playing in the D-League?  This is a championship team.  Giddens' development is not a priority.

Well yeah, but neither is beating the Bobcats by 40 points

[Roy Hobbs]

Can't doc's detractors admit that not every single thing they want to nitpick is a black mark on doc's coaching abilities?

How is this a nitpick?  It's been an ongoing issue going back to last season, and really, since Ray got here.

When Doc does something that doesn't make sense, I think it's fair to criticize him.  That doesn't mean he's being nitpicked, or unfairly attacked.  It's a completely legit point of criticism.

[nickagneta]

Ummmm because Pierce and Daniels were in early foul trouble, Scal, the backup 3 this year, is hurt, and, BTW unless you weren't paying attention during the fourth period, JR Giddens is pathetic against second team Bobcats, nevermind first team Bobcats.

What is he supposed to do, reward Giddens for playing horribly by making him the first 3 off the bench in the third quarter because the fans are worried that Ray has played too many minutes after JUST TWO GAMES!!

Come on. Get real. This isn't mid season. It's game freaking 2.

How will Giddens get better this year if he can't even get into games to relieve 33 year olds when they're up 20 points at home?

By playing in the D-League?  This is a championship team.  Giddens' development is not a priority.

TP. Saved me the time to write the exact same thing.

[Eja117]

I think he played him a bit too long tonight but I think there were extenuating circumstances tonight that Doc detractors can never seem to fathom.

You can never reward bad play. Period. Ever.

If a rookie or young player just isn't listening to coaching, not playing the proper defense and just isn't getting it you can not reward that with meaningful playing time. It sets the wrong message.

I'm on board with the way Doc handled tonight. Pierce and Daniels were in foul trouble. He actually tried to use Giddens in the first half and the kid was LOST out there. You can not reward that with more play because there exists a fan base that thinks they know more about handle a 13 year veteran than the head coach does. Especially when it's game 2.

Fair enough. I wouldn't have looked at it as rewarding Giddens as I would have as rewarding the starters with rest

[fairweatherfan]

Before this completely turns into dueling strawmen, I agree that keeping Ray in was questionable at best - I don't know why any starter played at all in the 4th.  And I think we should've gone Quis/Pierce at the wing more and Ray/Quis less.  But we are lacking depth there, and I don't trust JR for a full quarter even with a 25 pt lead right now.

[Roy Hobbs]

I think he played him a bit too long tonight but I think there were extenuating circumstances tonight that Doc detractors can never seem to fathom.

You can never reward bad play. Period. Ever.

If a rookie or young player just isn't listening to coaching, not playing the proper defense and just isn't getting it you can not reward that with meaningful playing time. It sets the wrong message.

I'm on board with the way Doc handled tonight. Pierce and Daniels were in foul trouble. He actually tried to use Giddens in the first half and the kid was LOST out there. You can not reward that with more play because there exists a fan base that thinks they know more about handle a 13 year veteran than the head coach does. Especially when it's game 2.

Fair enough. I wouldn't have looked at it as rewarding Giddens as I would have as rewarding the starters with rest

Yeah, I'm not sure it makes sense to teach Giddens a lesson at the expense of Ray.  Also, of course, a Hudson-House-Daniels combo would have worked just fine.

[crownsy]

P.S if anyone is watching NBATV they have ray on live and just asked him about this. He says he lobbied to stay in to start the fourth because he doesn't feel "in shape" yet, and wanted a few extra shots and to run a bit.

eja, i've put that i'd be more concerned if it was a trend in two posts now. That doesn't change the fact that after two wins, one of which it would be absurd to say ray played to long in, that a nitpicking thread went up.

I've learned to accept them over my time here. they make me giggle. Pretty sure we could beat a team 135-42 and if we had a day between games, a thread would go up calling out doc/ a player for some mistake they made.

[nickagneta]

Ummmm because Pierce and Daniels were in early foul trouble, Scal, the backup 3 this year, is hurt, and, BTW unless you weren't paying attention during the fourth period, JR Giddens is pathetic against second team Bobcats, nevermind first team Bobcats.

What is he supposed to do, reward Giddens for playing horribly by making him the first 3 off the bench in the third quarter because the fans are worried that Ray has played too many minutes after JUST TWO GAMES!!

Come on. Get real. This isn't mid season. It's game freaking 2.

How will Giddens get better this year if he can't even get into games to relieve 33 year olds when they're up 20 points at home?

By playing in the D-League?  This is a championship team.  Giddens' development is not a priority.

Well yeah, but neither is beating the Bobcats by 40 points

And neither is sending a message to a young player that you don't have to follow defensive assignments or run through offensive plays correctly or box out or any of that. Go ahead. Don't listen to the coaching staff. Just run around out there like a 13 year old and we'll give you playing time and a million dollars a year. That's okay. You don't have to be held accountable for your play because we are winning.