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Re: Ray Allen remaining classy
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2009, 03:08:25 PM »

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I'm not saying Grousbeck is unclassy for suspending him or being angry. He has every right to be so and do so. But since the story has come out, he has made comments about his nickname

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"I am not going to call him Big Baby anymore.  He is Glen and he needs to act like Glen and we will decide what to do once we talk to him" Grousbeck said
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this comment was actually just based on the fact that he was tired of calling a grown man a Baby. He stopped calling him that before this fiasco.

Re: Ray Allen remaining classy
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2009, 03:09:19 PM »

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I'm not saying Grousbeck is unclassy for suspending him or being angry. He has every right to be so and do so. But since the story has come out, he has made comments about his nickname

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"I am not going to call him Big Baby anymore.  He is Glen and he needs to act like Glen and we will decide what to do once we talk to him" Grousbeck said
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made comments about suspension even BEFORE having all the facts in front of him

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"We are talking with his representatives and will likely move to suspend him for a period of time once we have all the facts in front of us," Celtics owner Wyc Grousbeck said.
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and supposedly has gone on a two day warpath over the situation

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“Wyc has been on the warpath for two days over this,” a league source told Yahoo! Sports. “They want to get money back from him.”

and then he is going public with this whole 'unauthorized activity" thing as a way to suspend him when Shawn Bridgewater, the guy that he got into the fight with, admitted to police that he started the fight and threw the first punch and Davis has said he was defending himself.

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“He’s going to have to chip in for this situation he caused,” said Celtics managing partner Wyc Grousbeck. “This was an unauthorized activity resulting in the team losing his services, and he’s going to have to pay for that. There are going to be consequences for that.

So if a guy throws a punch at Davis or hits his giorlfriend, Davis is supposed to call into the team and get authorization to defend himself or his loved ones? Sorry, I understand the guy is miffed over what happened and Davis probably should learn that being out after 1 o'clock in the morning is usually going to lead to more bad things happening than good and that when tempers flair he has to settle down the situation not escalate it, but I think Grousbeck being as openly peaved as he is and for a lot of the time making comments without having all the facts in front of him, is a bit unclassy for a team owner.


I guess it is just the word "classy" that is bothering me here.  Perhaps Grousbeck talking so much about this publically has been innapropriate, but I don't think it is has anything to do with class.  

Basically, Grousbeck has shown again and again that he is a very emotional guy who wears his heart on his sleeve, and at times speaks about things he should probably keep in house.  But I just would not consider this "unclassy".  But that's just me.

Re: Ray Allen remaining classy
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2009, 03:10:56 PM »

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I think they are all handling it well in the way they are choosing words, but I think that guava was more concentrating on Ray's point about how fortunate they all are to even be able to live the special lives they live.  This is coming from a superstar who gets it and it's refreshing.  A little Ray love is okay.  It's not a matter of guava thinking that the other guys aren't classy themselves.  He just feels that Ray is exceptional time and time again.
Thanks, that makes sense.

So if a guy throws a punch at Davis or hits his giorlfriend, Davis is supposed to call into the team and get authorization to defend himself or his loved ones? Sorry, I understand the guy is miffed over what happened and Davis probably should learn that being out after 1 o'clock in the morning is usually going to lead to more bad things happening than good and that when tempers flair he has to settle down the situation not escalate it, but I think Grousbeck being as openly peaved as he is and for a lot of the time making comments without having all the facts in front of him, is a bit unclassy for a team owner.

I read somewhere that the management isn't angry because he defended himself, but because he got into a vehicle where the driver was clearly drunk. I'd have to agree.. not knowing the specifics, I can't blame a guy for defending himself and his girlfriend, but being in a vehicle with a drunk driver is definitely preventable.

Re: Ray Allen remaining classy
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2009, 03:18:22 PM »

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Re the Wyc vs Ray comparisons: No disrespect to Ray whatsoever, who is one of the true class acts in the NBA and in professional sports.  But he's not paying Baby millions of dollars to NOT contribute to the product that's responsible for recouping those millions back from fans during a recession. 

I think we all might find it a little more difficult to be gracious and forgiving if we were cutting seven figure checks to a guy who's already had some attitude problems and then breaks his thumb getting in a fight with a friend two days before the start of the season.  Whether it was his fault or not I think I might have trouble saying, "Aw shucks, no biggie.  Here's enough money to buy a mansion for sitting at home in a cast this month."

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« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2009, 03:21:03 PM »

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I think they are all handling it well in the way they are choosing words, but I think that guava was more concentrating on Ray's point about how fortunate they all are to even be able to live the special lives they live.  This is coming from a superstar who gets it and it's refreshing.  A little Ray love is okay.  It's not a matter of guava thinking that the other guys aren't classy themselves.  He just feels that Ray is exceptional time and time again.
Thanks, that makes sense.

So if a guy throws a punch at Davis or hits his giorlfriend, Davis is supposed to call into the team and get authorization to defend himself or his loved ones? Sorry, I understand the guy is miffed over what happened and Davis probably should learn that being out after 1 o'clock in the morning is usually going to lead to more bad things happening than good and that when tempers flair he has to settle down the situation not escalate it, but I think Grousbeck being as openly peaved as he is and for a lot of the time making comments without having all the facts in front of him, is a bit unclassy for a team owner.

I read somewhere that the management isn't angry because he defended himself, but because he got into a vehicle where the driver was clearly drunk. I'd have to agree.. not knowing the specifics, I can't blame a guy for defending himself and his girlfriend, but being in a vehicle with a drunk driver is definitely preventable.
But I think the unauthorized activity that is in his contract that he is being suspended for is fighting. I guess it is a standard in most NBA contract that fighting is a suspendable activity. But defending oneself should not be, IMHO.

Re: Ray Allen remaining classy
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2009, 03:28:27 PM »

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Re the Wyc vs Ray comparisons: No disrespect to Ray whatsoever, who is one of the true class acts in the NBA and in professional sports.  But he's not paying Baby millions of dollars to NOT contribute to the product that's responsible for recouping those millions back from fans during a recession. 

I think we all might find it a little more difficult to be gracious and forgiving if we were cutting seven figure checks to a guy who's already had some attitude problems and then breaks his thumb getting in a fight with a friend two days before the start of the season.  Whether it was his fault or not I think I might have trouble saying, "Aw shucks, no biggie.  Here's enough money to buy a mansion for sitting at home in a cast this month."
See I agree 1000% that Wyc and just about everybody with the Celtics has the right to be angry. If I was paying him that money, I no I would. But then again my management style has always been if you have something not so flattering to say to en employee, bring them in the office, close the door, and let them know how you feel. Even if that means blowing your stack at them. But behind closed doors in private.

I always hated, especially being in mid management as long as I was, when a superior decided to air things out publicly. It's bad form and sets a bad precedent that leads easily to insubordination. If players know that if they screw up that the owner is going public, or management or the coach is going public, sooner or later, that player and most every player is going to go public with their problems with management.

The C's recent handling of Rondo, Powe and Baby publicly is going to come back to bite them in the ass when the older vets are gone and they are out in the marketplace trying to encourage a young superstar to come here and Rondo's, Powe's and Baby's agents start telling that superstar's agent that the C's like to air dirty laundry. Bye bye big time young free agent.

Re: Ray Allen remaining classy
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2009, 03:30:28 PM »

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Honestly, the only person not being classy about the whole situation might be Wyc Grousbeck.

It might simply been a reaction. Is he still expressing himself as he did the other day? If I would have to guess he might want to take those things he said back, but I agree with the notion that he seems like the one being less classy about this.

I agree with pretty much everything else you've said in this thread.

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« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2009, 03:33:33 PM »

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The guy leads by example.

Re: Ray Allen remaining classy
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2009, 03:43:32 PM »

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Re: Ray Allen remaining classy
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2009, 03:47:37 PM »

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Re the Wyc vs Ray comparisons: No disrespect to Ray whatsoever, who is one of the true class acts in the NBA and in professional sports.  But he's not paying Baby millions of dollars to NOT contribute to the product that's responsible for recouping those millions back from fans during a recession. 

I think we all might find it a little more difficult to be gracious and forgiving if we were cutting seven figure checks to a guy who's already had some attitude problems and then breaks his thumb getting in a fight with a friend two days before the start of the season.  Whether it was his fault or not I think I might have trouble saying, "Aw shucks, no biggie.  Here's enough money to buy a mansion for sitting at home in a cast this month."
See I agree 1000% that Wyc and just about everybody with the Celtics has the right to be angry. If I was paying him that money, I no I would. But then again my management style has always been if you have something not so flattering to say to en employee, bring them in the office, close the door, and let them know how you feel. Even if that means blowing your stack at them. But behind closed doors in private.

I always hated, especially being in mid management as long as I was, when a superior decided to air things out publicly. It's bad form and sets a bad precedent that leads easily to insubordination. If players know that if they screw up that the owner is going public, or management or the coach is going public, sooner or later, that player and most every player is going to go public with their problems with management.

The C's recent handling of Rondo, Powe and Baby publicly is going to come back to bite them in the ass when the older vets are gone and they are out in the marketplace trying to encourage a young superstar to come here and Rondo's, Powe's and Baby's agents start telling that superstar's agent that the C's like to air dirty laundry. Bye bye big time young free agent.

Yeah, fair enough - I haven't been 100% happy with the stuff that's "leaked" out of the organization over the last 6 months.  I'd give Wyc a pass for probably being at about the peak of being very ticked off, and rightly so, about the situation when he gave the interview.  But I agree management could stand to be more tactful about their public comments.  I think Doc does a better job of this than most.

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« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2009, 05:44:16 PM »

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Doc and Danny are really good at it, which is why I don't like articles with quotes from them. They often sound more harsh than they really are.

Re: Ray Allen remaining classy
« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2009, 05:51:32 PM »

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Just curious - what did you think of other teammates' comments in that same article? Do you think they weren't as classy?

Perk:
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I know it wasn’t the smartest thing, but at the same time we can’t keep pounding on him about it. We’ve got to be in his corner. I’m sure Baby feels bad enough without them suspending him and taking his money. I don’t think we should cry over spilled milk. It’s happened; it’s done with. What we’ve got to do is be with Baby.

"Things happen in life. He’s going to get a lot of pressure about this. I just think his teammates and the organization needs to be more behind him.”

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“It’s just unfortunate."

“I’m not mad at Baby. Stuff happens in life. You try to stay away from those situations, but it’s part of life. I have stuff to work on, so I’m not judging Baby. I wish him the best, and hopefully he can get back quicker that we expect.”

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view.bg?articleid=1207796&format=&page=2&listingType=celt#articleFull
My point isn't about the Baby comments. My point was that Ray is classy because he appreciates the situation he is in as an NBA player and does not feel entitled.

Perk shows loyalty, which makes sense for athletes on teams together. Put what Ray said transcends that. It is a humble acknowledgment of his privileged position.

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« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2009, 05:52:53 PM »

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Just curious - what did you think of other teammates' comments in that same article? Do you think they weren't as classy?

Perk:
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I know it wasn’t the smartest thing, but at the same time we can’t keep pounding on him about it. We’ve got to be in his corner. I’m sure Baby feels bad enough without them suspending him and taking his money. I don’t think we should cry over spilled milk. It’s happened; it’s done with. What we’ve got to do is be with Baby.

"Things happen in life. He’s going to get a lot of pressure about this. I just think his teammates and the organization needs to be more behind him.”

Rondo:
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“It’s just unfortunate."

“I’m not mad at Baby. Stuff happens in life. You try to stay away from those situations, but it’s part of life. I have stuff to work on, so I’m not judging Baby. I wish him the best, and hopefully he can get back quicker that we expect.”

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view.bg?articleid=1207796&format=&page=2&listingType=celt#articleFull

I think they are all handling it well in the way they are choosing words, but I think that guava was more concentrating on Ray's point about how fortunate they all are to even be able to live the special lives they live.  This is coming from a superstar who gets it and it's refreshing.  A little Ray love is okay.  It's not a matter of guava thinking that the other guys aren't classy themselves.  He just feels that Ray is exceptional time and time again.
TP. This was exactly my point.

Re: Ray Allen remaining classy
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2009, 06:28:39 PM »

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Honestly, the only person not being classy about the whole situation might be Wyc Grousbeck.

But as an owner, he has the bigger burden of a loss right? It's the same thing with what Golden State did with the Monta incident. When your entire net worth is based on your body, you shouldn't do something that would risk harming your body.

It's good the players are backing BBD. But any owner would have done the same.

He does have that right, but is it smart basketball-wise to exercise that right? After all, Glen will have relatively little significant impact on this team, and player careers are relatively short. Ownership can last a long time. Other players do see these types of situations (public airing of grievances of Davis, open shopping and slamming of Rondo) and form opinions. When free agency happens, these types of things do affect a player's perspective of Boston, and will pause and think: is signing there worth putting up with that stuff?

Not saying Davis doesn't deserve unpaid suspension, but Wyc and Danny have to also think about cultivating an environment that will be enticing to free agents down the line.

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« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2009, 06:38:38 PM »

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Honestly, the only person not being classy about the whole situation might be Wyc Grousbeck.

But as an owner, he has the bigger burden of a loss right? It's the same thing with what Golden State did with the Monta incident. When your entire net worth is based on your body, you shouldn't do something that would risk harming your body.

It's good the players are backing BBD. But any owner would have done the same.

He does have that right, but is it smart basketball-wise to exercise that right? After all, Glen will have relatively little significant impact on this team, and player careers are relatively short. Ownership can last a long time. Other players do see these types of situations (public airing of grievances of Davis, open shopping and slamming of Rondo) and form opinions. When free agency happens, these types of things do affect a player's perspective of Boston, and will pause and think: is signing there worth putting up with that stuff?

Not saying Davis doesn't deserve unpaid suspension, but Wyc and Danny have to also think about cultivating an environment that will be enticing to free agents down the line.
Vets like Rasheed would probably prefer a team that doesn't stand for immaturity. It would make it hard to get Stephen Jackson and his ilk.