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Re: Is Shaq a problem in Cleveland?
« Reply #105 on: October 29, 2009, 02:27:46 AM »

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Just want to say this in case nobody has yet

Shaq was shut down by ANDREA BARGNANI.
He was also burned on offense on the other end.

I thought they match up terribly against us, but against guys like Dirk or Okur, they are NOT going to play well this year.
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Re: Is Shaq a problem in Cleveland?
« Reply #106 on: October 29, 2009, 11:59:33 AM »

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bron is alone.







verso sin esfuerzo.
verse without effort.
Solamente porque no hay nada Delonte.

Only because there's no Delonte.

Si pero cuando el regresa, el equipo ya tendra solamente una estrella quien puede poner la pelota en la canasta consistemente.
Si, es la verdad, mi amigo pero Senor West es casi el  único jugador quien puede passar la pelota bueno y tambien empezar la ofensa para Cleveland que no se llama LeBron. No hay nadie como el en esto equipo. Cuando el vuelve al ofensa de los Cavalieros será mas mejor.

That's true, my friend but Mr. West is about the only player who can pass the ball well and start the offense for Cleveland who isn't named LeBron. There's nobody else like him on that team. When he returns, the Cavaliers offense will be much better.

sera mejor, pero cuanto? El equipo tiene que mejorar mucho para contender con nuestro equipo--y si, yo se que es importante a tener un jugador quien puede empezar la ofensa cuando Lebron no esta alli, pero el solamente esta sentado por cinco minutos cada noche. En mi opinion, este equipo no necesita UN buen jugador mas; necesita un equipo totalmente nuevo para contender.

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Re: Is Shaq a problem in Cleveland?
« Reply #107 on: October 29, 2009, 12:12:07 PM »

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I agree that Clevelands problems are the PF position. 

Can't space the floor.


Can't stop the pick and roll of the other two best teams in the East



And seem to have the wrong priorities in trade wants.

Does Jackson, a SF, really add that much more then the combo of West, Parker and Moon?

Wouldn't a trade for a PF like Boozer make a bigger impact? 

Re: Is Shaq a problem in Cleveland?
« Reply #108 on: October 29, 2009, 12:14:22 PM »

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I agree that Clevelands problems are the PF position. 

Can't space the floor.


Can't stop the pick and roll of the other two best teams in the East



And seem to have the wrong priorities in trade wants.

Does Jackson, a SF, really add that much more then the combo of West, Parker and Moon?

Wouldn't a trade for a PF like Boozer make a bigger impact? 
Yes. Agree 100% and lets hope Danny Ferry doesn't read Celticsblog. TPwd

Re: Is Shaq a problem in Cleveland?
« Reply #109 on: October 29, 2009, 12:17:28 PM »

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I agree that Clevelands problems are the PF position. 

Can't space the floor.


Can't stop the pick and roll of the other two best teams in the East



And seem to have the wrong priorities in trade wants.

Does Jackson, a SF, really add that much more then the combo of West, Parker and Moon?

Wouldn't a trade for a PF like Boozer make a bigger impact? 

Totally agree, another problem i'm interested to see them handle is young teams who run all night. Not sure shaq and big z are going to be much help against young athletic teams that get out quick in transition.

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Re: Is Shaq a problem in Cleveland?
« Reply #110 on: October 29, 2009, 12:17:54 PM »

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Even if they get Jackson from Golden State, I can't see the Cavs getting past either Orlando or Boston. Orlando's still gonna abuse them in the paint, and they have enough shooters to beat them. No chance against Shard.

Boston can really spread the floor, too. With Pierce being able to step up his game and match LeBron most nights the C's can take them with relative ease, too.

So yea, Shaq's a problem in Cleveland.


Re: Is Shaq a problem in Cleveland?
« Reply #111 on: October 29, 2009, 12:18:03 PM »

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Somehow (and thankfully), methinks a trade for Carlos Boozer is pretty unlikely to occur...  ;)

Re: Is Shaq a problem in Cleveland?
« Reply #112 on: October 29, 2009, 12:19:50 PM »

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Somehow (and thankfully), methinks a trade for Carlos Boozer is pretty unlikely to occur...  ;)

There seems to be some sort of short-term memory loss here...

Would Cleveland even WANT Boozer? After what he did to the franchise? And I know Lebron James was pretty upset about it.
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Re: Is Shaq a problem in Cleveland?
« Reply #113 on: October 29, 2009, 12:28:31 PM »

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Somehow (and thankfully), methinks a trade for Carlos Boozer is pretty unlikely to occur...  ;)

There seems to be some sort of short-term memory loss here...

Would Cleveland even WANT Boozer? After what he did to the franchise? And I know Lebron James was pretty upset about it.

And if he was to come back in a trade and fix a major hole allowing Lebron to feel like Cleveland is closing in on a title; I think all would be forgiven.


But Boozer is just an example (top of the line) of the type of player they should be looking for.

Re: Is Shaq a problem in Cleveland?
« Reply #114 on: October 29, 2009, 12:32:32 PM »

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I've said it before, I wonder if the Cavs would have been better served giving Baby $4-5 million a year for a few years than sinking bucks into AV.

Re: Is Shaq a problem in Cleveland?
« Reply #115 on: October 29, 2009, 12:45:10 PM »

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I've said it before, I wonder if the Cavs would have been better served giving Baby $4-5 million a year for a few years than sinking bucks into AV.

Sideshow's a role player that they somehow felt compelled to give a ridiculous contract extension to (who else was going to offer him anywhere close to the dollars Cleveland gave him?)  Good thing they have Boobie Gibson signed until 2013, too  ::)  Wouldn't want your fourth string undersized shooting guard to walk, you can never find one of those guys!

Cleveland's made a lot of dumb, dumb contract decisions.  Not sure that BBD would have been the ideal solution, but he'd help.  C's might have matched a $4/yr contract, though, if Cleveland made the offer - it's worth more to match if you can keep your opponent from getting better.

Re: Is Shaq a problem in Cleveland?
« Reply #116 on: October 29, 2009, 12:56:17 PM »

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I don't know...the more I think about it, Shaq is now at the point where he produces like a role player, but still has to be accommodated like a superstar.  Not in an ego sense, but in terms of gameplan, the physical space he takes up, etc.  I don't know that Mike Brown's got the offensive chops to work him in, and defense was never what Shaq was about.  I don't expect Cleveland to be as bad as they've looked so far, but they're clearly struggling, and part of it's working him in.

Very nicely put. (TP.) I'd only disagree about Shaq's still out-sized ego. He left all four of his former clubs on bad terms, I'm not expecting his time in Cleveland to be any different.

Re: Is Shaq a problem in Cleveland?
« Reply #117 on: October 29, 2009, 12:56:29 PM »

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I've said it before, I wonder if the Cavs would have been better served giving Baby $4-5 million a year for a few years than sinking bucks into AV.
I don't think so. Davis hasn't shown himself capable of playing the power forward position at a good enough level to play 30-35 minutes on a contender. His defense dropped off too badly last season after switching from backup center to power forward for me to consider him there (plus his rebounding is a problem).

Varejao on the other hand is an elite role player in the Shane Battier world of things. A very good to excellent defensive player, a good rebounder, a great energy player, and a good garbage man offensively. Outside of the final year on that contract extension, I have no problems with the money he's making.

Re: Is Shaq a problem in Cleveland?
« Reply #118 on: October 29, 2009, 02:41:27 PM »

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Varejao on the other hand is an elite role player in the Shane Battier world of things.


He's an elite role player in the right situations.  When Big Z is drawing his man out of the paint or when AV is playing center in a small line up, he's proven to be very effective.  With Shaq, he's being asked to play a traditional PF role (like Charles Oakley) and he's not good at it.

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Re: Is Shaq a problem in Cleveland?
« Reply #119 on: October 29, 2009, 03:02:59 PM »

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Varejao on the other hand is an elite role player in the Shane Battier world of things.

He's an elite role player in the right situations.  When Big Z is drawing his man out of the paint or when AV is playing center in a small line up, he's proven to be very effective.  With Shaq, he's being asked to play a traditional PF role (like Charles Oakley) and he's not good at it.

Mike
Agreed -- Varejao needs to play near the rim to be effective offensively. Cavs need to put a jump shooter alongside him.