Celtics making new offer to Rondo TODAY (Per Ordway, WEEI)

[guava_wrench]

Rondo would probably get more assists on a different team because KG and PP are good passers for their positions so they swing the ball more often when he passes to them instead of just shooting. Harris signed his contract with Dallas well before they traded him.

We will not know that he gets more assists for sure until we see what kind of team he joins, that is still speculation and open for debate. He surely will not have the scoring numbers with any efficiency until he improves his FT shooting and jump shot significantly. That will clearly hurt his market value, will it not?

The contract had to be signed as a condition of the trade or NJ doesnt agree to let Jason Kidd go to Dallas. The money Harris got was partially dictated by NJ to help salaries match. It had to be a number NJ could live with. Any delay was in getting Kidd to agree to the terms.

  Sure, Rondo needs to hit his jumpers and FTs better but he's a pretty efficient scorer because he takes so many shots from the inside. And Harris signed his contract before the season started and was traded near the all-star break. NJ had nothing to do with the contract.

The "efficient scorer because he takes so many shots from the inside" rings hollow when his man is doubling off because Rondo can't shoot open jumpers.

I love Rondo, but his stats don't reflect this flaw.

[Neurotic Guy]

I think this is about 2 things: 1) Risk-Reward and 2) 'The NBA Economy'

1) Risk-Reward.  Danny must consider the present day risk of investing a large percentage of his available capital in an excellent, but flawed player. Danny only gets a 'bargain' if he can find the right price (high enough to get him) that also fits within his big picture (but not too high).  Danny's ability to speculate as to whether  Rondo can become a 'climb on my back' superstar will determine just how much and how long he'll be willing to go.   From Rondo's perspective, signing a contract that begins at 8 to 10 million 'risks' that he advances his game this year, stays injury-free and becomes a max player sooner rather than later.  Not signing a reasonable, but lower than hoped for deal, leaves Rondo risking injury or a less than stellar year -- thus, lowering his value.

Bottom line: We need to hope that Danny's ceiling (what he is willing to pay/years) enters into the range of Rondo's agent's floor (what they are willing to accept).  If these numbers are far apart -- no deal.

2) The NBA Economy.  This aspect has less to do with the economy at-large, that is, the nation's economy, but rather to do with the current NBA economic reality as teams enter the FA market at the end of this year.  I think this hurts Ainge's bargaining power significantly.  This will be the first year in recent memory when many team will be able dole out huge bucks for FAs as many teams have been planning for the coming off-season for years.  We all know this, but none of us know how it will play out.  Imagine if Bosh, James, Wade... all sign with their home teams. That leaves many under the cap teams jockeying for the next best available FA.  Under this scenario, guys like Rondo stand to do quite well.

Bottom line: If I am Rondo's agent, my 'floor' rises based on the anticipated NBA 'economy' of the summer of 2010.  Ainge either raises his ceiling (banking on the reward), or takes the risk (risk of losign Rondo) that he'll be able to play his Bird rights into a deal for Rondo after the season.  I am glad I am not Ainge.
  

[BASS_THUMPER]

huh?

[xmuscularghandix]

Rondo isn't on the Patriots, how did Ordway find this out???

Probably lied to get listeners.

TP.

[Neurotic Guy]

huh?

If this is in response to my post, let me know as I want to give you a TP for it.  Thought it was funny --  my re-read of my own post had my head straining to follow it. 

[BASS_THUMPER]

huh?

If this is in response to my post, let me know as I want to give you a TP for it.  Thought it was funny --  my re-read of my own post had my head straining to follow it. 

well..upon re reading your wonderful composition i find it very accurate and well informing. please no need for tp i finally understand your grand text on how danny is spendin our dough....


*sippin ole e*

[sully00]

The one risk Rondo has in not taking a deal now is that as much as his fans love him most of the league hype is on him because they expect from the postseason 16/10/10.  While I would love to see it I don't think he is that guy on this team or any for that matter.  If he turns down 5 years for 45-50 mil he better be ready to put it on some people.  5 years is the longest the deal can be for.

[nickagneta]

 
Rondo would probably get more assists on a different team because KG and PP are good passers for their positions so they swing the ball more often when he passes to them instead of just shooting. Harris signed his contract with Dallas well before they traded him.

While that sounds like good conventional wisdom, last year when KG went missing for most of the second half of last year neither Rondo's assists per game nor his assists per 48 minutes showed much increase from February-April over his numbers from November-January. Also, he is playing with guys who have some pretty decent shooting percentages so if he happened to be playing with guys that weren't as good as some of the guys Rondo is currently playing with, it could be theorized that those players would miss more shots that otherwise Rondo would be getting an assist on because he is passing to a great player.

[BballTim]

Rondo would probably get more assists on a different team because KG and PP are good passers for their positions so they swing the ball more often when he passes to them instead of just shooting. Harris signed his contract with Dallas well before they traded him.

We will not know that he gets more assists for sure until we see what kind of team he joins, that is still speculation and open for debate. He surely will not have the scoring numbers with any efficiency until he improves his FT shooting and jump shot significantly. That will clearly hurt his market value, will it not?

The contract had to be signed as a condition of the trade or NJ doesnt agree to let Jason Kidd go to Dallas. The money Harris got was partially dictated by NJ to help salaries match. It had to be a number NJ could live with. Any delay was in getting Kidd to agree to the terms.

  Sure, Rondo needs to hit his jumpers and FTs better but he's a pretty efficient scorer because he takes so many shots from the inside. And Harris signed his contract before the season started and was traded near the all-star break. NJ had nothing to do with the contract.

The "efficient scorer because he takes so many shots from the inside" rings hollow when his man is doubling off because Rondo can't shoot open jumpers.

I love Rondo, but his stats don't reflect this flaw.

  He took significantly more shots from the inside than he did the year before when he also had a poor jump shot. He scored more efficiently than he did the year before even though his outside shooting was somewhat worse. His PPS and ADJ FG% both seem to be above average for point guards.

[BballTim]

 
Rondo would probably get more assists on a different team because KG and PP are good passers for their positions so they swing the ball more often when he passes to them instead of just shooting. Harris signed his contract with Dallas well before they traded him.

While that sounds like good conventional wisdom, last year when KG went missing for most of the second half of last year neither Rondo's assists per game nor his assists per 48 minutes showed much increase from February-April over his numbers from November-January. Also, he is playing with guys who have some pretty decent shooting percentages so if he happened to be playing with guys that weren't as good as some of the guys Rondo is currently playing with, it could be theorized that those players would miss more shots that otherwise Rondo would be getting an assist on because he is passing to a great player.

  Part of that was probably due to the fact that they added Marbury, who got about 3-4 assists a game. On the flip side, replacing a good shooter/scorer (KG) with a lesser scorer didn't cause Rondo's assists to drop. Look at the ally-oops he lost. He's also always maintained his scoring if not improved it with the big three out.

[Chris]

Rondo isn't on the Patriots, how did Ordway find this out???

You do realize the Big O used to be the C's play by play guy right?  He is still on very good terms with many of the players from that time, and has some good sources within the organization when he wants to use them.  He has broken stories about the C's before (I believe he is the first one to break the Wally trade for example).

[xmuscularghandix]

Rondo isn't on the Patriots, how did Ordway find this out???

You do realize the Big O used to be the C's play by play guy right?  He is still on very good terms with many of the players from that time, and has some good sources within the organization when he wants to use them.  He has broken stories about the C's before (I believe he is the first one to break the Wally trade for example).

I do know this. You do know i was making a joke about how the big show only talks Patriots, when i say talk i mean...

[Chris]

Rondo isn't on the Patriots, how did Ordway find this out???

You do realize the Big O used to be the C's play by play guy right?  He is still on very good terms with many of the players from that time, and has some good sources within the organization when he wants to use them.  He has broken stories about the C's before (I believe he is the first one to break the Wally trade for example).

I do know this. You do know i was making a joke about how the big show only talks Patriots, when i say talk i mean...

You do know I clearly missed the joke...my bad

I just am used to the constant bashing of WEEI on this site, that I figured people forget Ordway's Celtic connections.

[ManUp]

I think that 5 years 45 million would be the ideal contract for both sides. I would understand if Danny was hesitant to offer more, but I think he'd get more in free agency.

[Chris]

I think that 5 years 45 million would be the ideal contract for both sides. I would inderstand if Danny was hesitant to offer more, but I think he'd get more in free agency.

I would not be surprised if the deal the C's offered was similar to that.  Unfortunately, Rondo likely wouldn't even consider it.