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Re: Baby = Problem....
« Reply #45 on: October 23, 2009, 01:15:18 PM »

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Wow.  Talk about jumping to conclusions. ::)

I wonder if the OP was one that was never crazy about Baby in the first place.

Wow couldn't tell with the last few sentences about keeping Powe.... I wonder if that's sarcasm Bank. I wouldn't talk about the BBD haters since I remember you smashing Powe a good deal a few months back. We shouldn't be ripping the OP's head off either.

Except that I never "smashed" Powe.  I remember wondering what the big fuss was over Powe, but "smashing" him, um no.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=31145.msg561446#msg561446

Check the OP in that thread.
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Re: Baby = Problem....
« Reply #46 on: October 23, 2009, 01:21:54 PM »

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We don't want our players being HONEST with the media. We want them to be good little soldiers and talk the party line because that is what is best for the Celtics. Causing disruption due to comments to the media for selfish reasons is not how you win championships, no matter how small. If he had made the right comment then this thing would be put to bed. It will be real easy for a reporter later in the season if he has a few games of DNP's or small minutes to bring this up again trying to make a big thing out of a small thing. If the Celtics win a championship this year I don't CARE whether he plays even one minute. It's not about him. His response was about HIM.

Re: Baby = Problem....
« Reply #47 on: October 23, 2009, 01:22:59 PM »

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Obese is a bum.  Trade him.


Re: Baby = Problem....
« Reply #48 on: October 23, 2009, 01:38:35 PM »

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We don't want our players being HONEST with the media. We want them to be good little soldiers and talk the party line because that is what is best for the Celtics.
Yes and no. I think many fans want the truth, though the majority would prefer if players didn't make waves like this with the media.

I only care if it because a lingering issue. The recent articles concerning the team's chemistry last year have me concerned about this year.

Re: Baby = Problem....
« Reply #49 on: October 23, 2009, 01:41:18 PM »

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Yeah except it's the media extrapolating the quotes (like OP) not the actual quotes.  Unfortunately it's more the red sox nation infestation.

Same old boston and it's fans  ::) or whatever you call them nowadays.

The poweobamanites will never die.  They are like zombies.

I'm half expecting this sect of fandom to become cav fans.  JC a 2nd rounder with 3 bad knees.
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Re: Baby = Problem....
« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2009, 01:47:25 PM »

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We don't want our players being HONEST with the media. We want them to be good little soldiers and talk the party line because that is what is best for the Celtics. Causing disruption due to comments to the media for selfish reasons is not how you win championships, no matter how small. If he had made the right comment then this thing would be put to bed. It will be real easy for a reporter later in the season if he has a few games of DNP's or small minutes to bring this up again trying to make a big thing out of a small thing. If the Celtics win a championship this year I don't CARE whether he plays even one minute. It's not about him. His response was about HIM.

Like you are? You're worried about some reporter stirring up something out of nothing?

Re: Baby = Problem....
« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2009, 01:50:58 PM »

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We don't want our players being HONEST with the media. We want them to be good little soldiers and talk the party line because that is what is best for the Celtics. Causing disruption due to comments to the media for selfish reasons is not how you win championships, no matter how small. If he had made the right comment then this thing would be put to bed. It will be real easy for a reporter later in the season if he has a few games of DNP's or small minutes to bring this up again trying to make a big thing out of a small thing. If the Celtics win a championship this year I don't CARE whether he plays even one minute. It's not about him. His response was about HIM.

Like you are? You're worried about some reporter stirring up something out of nothing?
Isn't that what reporters do to increase readership?

Re: Baby = Problem....
« Reply #52 on: October 23, 2009, 01:55:21 PM »

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This Celtic team is really starting to take on a Laker vibe. All this he said-she said drama. It's getting old.

Next we'll be hearing how Rondo ratted out KG for cheating on his wife on the road after Rondo is picked up for Sexual Assault in Florida..

Re: Baby = Problem....
« Reply #53 on: October 23, 2009, 01:59:21 PM »

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We don't want our players being HONEST with the media. We want them to be good little soldiers and talk the party line because that is what is best for the Celtics. Causing disruption due to comments to the media for selfish reasons is not how you win championships, no matter how small. If he had made the right comment then this thing would be put to bed. It will be real easy for a reporter later in the season if he has a few games of DNP's or small minutes to bring this up again trying to make a big thing out of a small thing. If the Celtics win a championship this year I don't CARE whether he plays even one minute. It's not about him. His response was about HIM.

Like you are? You're worried about some reporter stirring up something out of nothing?
Isn't that what reporters do to increase readership?

My point is I thought we were supposed to be worry about BBD being an actual distraction to the team, not the media. Not some rumor with "a few DNP's or small minutes" combined with this article has a citation.

We've had a person on twitter posing as BBD, for Pete's sake. The rumor bin's been filled up and thrown out too many times this offseason. I'm not about to anticipate what mind end up in it down the road over BBD saying "Yep" to a question that I think, honestly, was already answered this off-season.

Re: Baby = Problem....
« Reply #54 on: October 23, 2009, 02:02:21 PM »

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We don't want our players being HONEST with the media. We want them to be good little soldiers and talk the party line because that is what is best for the Celtics. Causing disruption due to comments to the media for selfish reasons is not how you win championships, no matter how small. If he had made the right comment then this thing would be put to bed. It will be real easy for a reporter later in the season if he has a few games of DNP's or small minutes to bring this up again trying to make a big thing out of a small thing. If the Celtics win a championship this year I don't CARE whether he plays even one minute. It's not about him. His response was about HIM.

Okay, you stand on the side of Falseness.  That's your choice.  I'll stand with Truth.  The funny thing is, the people standing on the side of Falseness (advocating a politically correct non-answer) are the same ones claiming this is a 'disruption' and worrying about the 'distractions' it'll cause.  Talk about self-fulfilling prophecies.

You can be truthful and stay faithful to the team.  Those two viewpoints are not mutually exclusive.  Baby's response was about him, because the question was about him and how he's fitting into the larger team fabric.  And don't forget his answer--he said it will be a struggle going from starter's minutes to reserve minutes, but that it was great to be a part of a great team.  That sounds like a honest man who knows his sacrifice will be as great as his reward. 

This all boils down to emotions and honesty.  Baby's an emotional player and he uses that emotion to give him an edge over his opponents.  But the thing with emotions is that if you have them and don't express them, they begin to exert control over you.  That's where honesty comes in.  If you're an emotional person, you need to be honest about them when you have them.  Baby recognizes the pull between individual glory and team success; he recognizes his desire to be a star, and his desire to be a part of something greater than himself and so by expressing those honest, personal emotions, he's able to control them and funnel them to use in a team context.  If you listen to KG (another player who relies on his emotions for his 'edge'), you'll hear the same dichotomy.
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Re: Baby = Problem....
« Reply #55 on: October 23, 2009, 02:11:38 PM »

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The quote I was probably most concerned with was this one:

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“I don’t know how to accept that yet,” he said. “I don’t know how to do it yet. It’s not as if we’ve gone over it. Nobody tells me nothing.”

Now, BBD should have understood what his role would be, since he signed after Rasheed did.  Still, if he wants to understand his role, it probably makes sense for somebody from the coaching staff to step in and do so shortly.  It sounds like BBD is a little upset, which can easily turn into resentment and anger.

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Re: Baby = Problem....
« Reply #56 on: October 23, 2009, 02:23:27 PM »

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The quote I was probably most concerned with was this one:

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“I don’t know how to accept that yet,” he said. “I don’t know how to do it yet. It’s not as if we’ve gone over it. Nobody tells me nothing.”

Now, BBD should have understood what his role would be, since he signed after Rasheed did.  Still, if he wants to understand his role, it probably makes sense for somebody from the coaching staff to step in and do so shortly.  It sounds like BBD is a little upset, which can easily turn into resentment and anger.

If it were anyone else, I would be worried, but I think Baby just has no filter, gets emotional about something, and then gets over it.  I think he is really the type of guy who lives in the moment.  So if this came after a game or after a practice, when things didn't go well, he would talk like this.  But I don't think it would be an indication of anything deep seeded.  Just that he had a bad day, and found an outlet to whine about it.

Re: Baby = Problem....
« Reply #57 on: October 23, 2009, 02:31:12 PM »

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The quote I was probably most concerned with was this one:

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“I don’t know how to accept that yet,” he said. “I don’t know how to do it yet. It’s not as if we’ve gone over it. Nobody tells me nothing.”

Now, BBD should have understood what his role would be, since he signed after Rasheed did.  Still, if he wants to understand his role, it probably makes sense for somebody from the coaching staff to step in and do so shortly.  It sounds like BBD is a little upset, which can easily turn into resentment and anger.

It sounds like more honesty to me, as in he doesn't know how to accept it because it hasn't happened, he hasn't seen the regular season rotation, hasn't had to deal with playing 9 minutes one night and nobody from the coaching staff has come out and said 'we plan for you to play small minutes on some nights.'  It's all about uncertainty, and Baby being honest about how he's dealing with that uncertainty. 

Baby's also probably doing some of the 'simple' math practiced by some on C-blog, the kind that says there's only 96 minutes a night at the 4/5 spots, and since Perk/KG will see about 62 minutes, and Sheed maybe 25 minutes a night, that only leaves 9 minutes a night for Baby.  Problem with that reasoning is that it ignores the fact that it's a LONG season, with injuries, suspensions, and foul trouble.  If you look at minutes not on a night-by-night basis, but on a season-by-season basis, you'll see that Baby will probably average around 19-20 minutes a night when it's all said and done (based on the average minutes per season of Perk/KG/'Sheed the past 2 years) and that's enough to keep most players happy, even if they wish they were playing more...
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Re: Baby = Problem....
« Reply #58 on: October 23, 2009, 02:31:25 PM »

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I still don't understand why the celtics offered Davis any more than the qualifying offer if davis wasn't getting offers from other teams.  Why are we paying him more than we have to?

Re: Baby = Problem....
« Reply #59 on: October 23, 2009, 02:33:20 PM »

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I still don't understand why the celtics offered Davis any more than the qualifying offer if davis wasn't getting offers from other teams.  Why are we paying him more than we have to?

Not getting offers, and not getting the offers he wanted are not the same thing. Plus we got him for 2 years... avoiding doing this dance once again next year.