If Perkins develops a sky hook, are we good for a generation?

[billysan]

Perk is a great guy. I wouldnt have anyone else as our next generation center (except for Dwight Howard). That said, his greatest weakness is lift. he just doesnt jump well. If I could have anything for Perk it would be a couple more inches vertical. Then he could do any kind of offensive move you want, including a sky hook.

[Bahku]

Perk is a great guy. I wouldnt have anyone else as our next generation center (except for Dwight Howard). That said, his greatest weakness is lift. he just doesnt jump well. If I could have anything for Perk it would be a couple more inches vertical. Then he could do any kind of offensive move you want, including a sky hook.

Agree with you about Perk, but I hate Howard. I know, amazing ball player, but I have irrational distaste for the guy and all the "superman" crap, (CP3's on that list, and LeBron, and Kobe, and Barron, and on and on ...)

[Quinn]

Perk is a great guy. I wouldnt have anyone else as our next generation center (except for Dwight Howard). That said, his greatest weakness is lift. he just doesnt jump well. If I could have anything for Perk it would be a couple more inches vertical. Then he could do any kind of offensive move you want, including a sky hook.

Agree with you about Perk, but I hate Howard. I know, amazing ball player, but I have irrational distaste for the guy and all the "superman" crap, (CP3's on that list, and LeBron, and Kobe, and Barron, and on and on ...)

Take it you were against starbury too

[Bahku]

Perk is a great guy. I wouldnt have anyone else as our next generation center (except for Dwight Howard). That said, his greatest weakness is lift. he just doesnt jump well. If I could have anything for Perk it would be a couple more inches vertical. Then he could do any kind of offensive move you want, including a sky hook.

Agree with you about Perk, but I hate Howard. I know, amazing ball player, but I have irrational distaste for the guy and all the "superman" crap, (CP3's on that list, and LeBron, and Kobe, and Barron, and on and on ...)

Take it you were against starbury too

No, I wasn't against him ... I was actually hoping he would add something to this team, and I was rooting for him ... he's got the talent, just has always let his personality get in the way, unfortunately.

[ManUp]

I think the hook works for Perk. He should work on moves that use his size to get off his shot instead of finesse moves. The fadeway he's working on is a good move but I don't think it fits him. He doesn't get it off quickly he has poor elevation and he shows the defender the ball all these things make it easy to block. He's too slow and he doesn't have the touch for a skyhook. I think he should work on the hook, banging, and getting better at creating space with his body ala BBD. Finesse moves aren't what Perk needs in his game.

[HomeRunBaker]

The Sky Hook and the Dream Shake aren't what made Hakeem and Kareem so good.

It's not about whether or not one distinct shot makes a one a franchise player. It's pretty clear that that's never going to be the case.

The key is that the Sky Hook is relatively unstoppable and I suspect, given Perk's lack of overall lateral speed, that Wilt would be able to time his block against Kendrick. Now, given the fact that Perks is the Celt's scoring option number 4, on the floor, would the opponent's best shot blocker be huddled around Perks when either KG or Pierce are the bigger fish to fry?

Perk is the 5th option on the floor.

And no, it wouldn't make the C's any better really. Perkins needs to defend, rebound, help, and dunk the ball when the C's are at our best. We don't need him to post up all that often.

Four to eight post touches should be all that he gets.

Actually, the better any player gets, the better it makes the team as a whole. Perk has the gifts and talents to become a force in the NBA, and if he sets his mind to it, (and adds an effective hook shot), he can accomplish just that, and raise the level of this team as well.

The better a player gets at his role on the team then the better the team will be.  Perkins has the gifts and talents to be exactly what he is now.....a solid defender and rebounder with limitations to his offensive game as a lumbering big without a whole lot of athleticism.  The kid has done a great job in reaching the level of the player who was imo always his comp and upside, Erick Dampier......but physically and skillwise what you see is what you are going to get from Perk over the next 8-10 years. 

[Bahku]

The Sky Hook and the Dream Shake aren't what made Hakeem and Kareem so good.

It's not about whether or not one distinct shot makes a one a franchise player. It's pretty clear that that's never going to be the case.

The key is that the Sky Hook is relatively unstoppable and I suspect, given Perk's lack of overall lateral speed, that Wilt would be able to time his block against Kendrick. Now, given the fact that Perks is the Celt's scoring option number 4, on the floor, would the opponent's best shot blocker be huddled around Perks when either KG or Pierce are the bigger fish to fry?

Perk is the 5th option on the floor.

And no, it wouldn't make the C's any better really. Perkins needs to defend, rebound, help, and dunk the ball when the C's are at our best. We don't need him to post up all that often.

Four to eight post touches should be all that he gets.

Actually, the better any player gets, the better it makes the team as a whole. Perk has the gifts and talents to become a force in the NBA, and if he sets his mind to it, (and adds an effective hook shot), he can accomplish just that, and raise the level of this team as well.

The better a player gets at his role on the team then the better the team will be.  Perkins has the gifts and talents to be exactly what he is now.....a solid defender and rebounder with limitations to his offensive game as a lumbering big without a whole lot of athleticism.  The kid has done a great job in reaching the level of the player who was imo always his comp and upside, Erick Dampier......but physically and skillwise what you see is what you are going to get from Perk over the next 8-10 years. 

Yeah ... I agree for the most part, and until this fall I was convinced that Perk would just be Perk, regardless of the development. But after seeing the improvement in his mobility and foot speed since losing the weight, I think it's possible that he can improve his skills substantially, and his physicality. Trust me, I have been lukewarm about Perk since he got here, and summer-before-last, I was ready to get rid of him, (seriously). But what I have seen of him this fall has been the biggest and nicest surprise of all, (along with Kg's health and Lester Hudson).

[guava_wrench]

The Sky Hook and the Dream Shake aren't what made Hakeem and Kareem so good.

It's not about whether or not one distinct shot makes a one a franchise player. It's pretty clear that that's never going to be the case.

The key is that the Sky Hook is relatively unstoppable and I suspect, given Perk's lack of overall lateral speed, that Wilt would be able to time his block against Kendrick. Now, given the fact that Perks is the Celt's scoring option number 4, on the floor, would the opponent's best shot blocker be huddled around Perks when either KG or Pierce are the bigger fish to fry?

Perk is the 5th option on the floor.

And no, it wouldn't make the C's any better really. Perkins needs to defend, rebound, help, and dunk the ball when the C's are at our best. We don't need him to post up all that often.

Four to eight post touches should be all that he gets.

Actually, the better any player gets, the better it makes the team as a whole. Perk has the gifts and talents to become a force in the NBA, and if he sets his mind to it, (and adds an effective hook shot), he can accomplish just that, and raise the level of this team as well.

The better a player gets at his role on the team then the better the team will be.  Perkins has the gifts and talents to be exactly what he is now.....a solid defender and rebounder with limitations to his offensive game as a lumbering big without a whole lot of athleticism.  The kid has done a great job in reaching the level of the player who was imo always his comp and upside, Erick Dampier......but physically and skillwise what you see is what you are going to get from Perk over the next 8-10 years. 

He's shown some impressive fakes and moves to the hoop. His footwork has improved every year, including this year. There are games when we go to Perk in the post repeatedly and actually want him to do a post move.

Footwork and repetition is so important for guys in the post, and Perk works ridiculously hard at it. I doubt he will ever be a quick leaper or able to dunk rebounds, but I see him able to average double digit points off of moves in the post and passes on a team without 3 HOFers who are great scorers.

[pearljammer10]

Perk already has a nice hook shot...Not a sky hook...I guess just a one handed turn around type a thing. But its still good. Id rather him focus on other aspects of the game then a sky hook.

[TitleMaster]

Perk already has a nice hook shot...Not a sky hook...I guess just a one handed turn around type a thing. But its still good. Id rather him focus on other aspects of the game then a sky hook.

Well, look at it from this perspective, a hook shot (esp Sky Hook, with its lift), draws defenses. Without a lot of fancy shake 'n bakes, Perkins alone isn't going to get defenses actively covering him on both sides. This type of shot, even if used as a decoy, will allow Ray or Pierce to drive to the basket with more regularity.

[RAcker]

As Barkley would say..."Kareem is rolling over in his grave".   

[Rondo2287]

I would rather Perk get wide open layups and dunks following good feeds from KG and Rondo. 

[2short]

Perk has progressed nicely from his first year 
He will NEVER have the foot speed to have many low post moves.  However in the current nba dominated by pg and sg and "lug" like perk can be very good.  He can average 10 pts a game on put backs and just brute force.  He has a nice jump hook.  I would like a turn around jumper and 15 foot jumper, imo these would be more effective (for him).
We are good for post big 3 if perk can continue his improvement, stay healhty and if rondo becomes a top 2 pg in league.  Both guys are young and very capable, surround them with aging superstars, ray, paul and kg, then have some new blood coming in we are good for 10 years.  a generation is a long time 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth #20]

Hilarious Thread! Yes, Perk will be developing a "sky hook" (hahahaha) the day Rondo becomes the Celtics 3-point sniper....seriously funny stuff! Its been a long day at work, thanks for the laugh!

[billysan]

He can average 10 pts a game on put backs and just brute force.  He has a nice jump hook.  I would like a turn around jumper and 15 foot jumper, imo these would be more effective

Perk probably could average 10ppg now if he would just make his free throws. Although improved, he still needs to increase his FT average to above 70%.

Rondo needs to do the same for that matter.