Author Topic: NBA travelling rules, and Video Rulebook website  (Read 9408 times)

0 Members and 0 Guests are viewing this topic.

Re: NBA travelling rules, and Video Rulebook website
« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2009, 07:46:19 AM »

Offline Fan from VT

  • NCE
  • Antoine Walker
  • ****
  • Posts: 4205
  • Tommy Points: 777
If I'm correct in reading the definition, this does legalize the crab dribble right?

It's like that two footed "pro-hop" in NBA Live 05. Completely overpowered.

No. Everyone agrees that the "crab dribble" was a travel. A crab dribble is just the sideways shuffling while dribbling. In the famous Lebron example, he did a "well i guess you could call it sideways crab dribble but it looks more like a simple spin" dribble then took 3 steps. The steps had nothing to do with the crab dribble. That move as he did it is still illegal.

Re: NBA travelling rules, and Video Rulebook website
« Reply #31 on: October 20, 2009, 07:58:24 AM »

Offline Bent

  • Author
  • Lonnie Walker IV
  • Posts: 74
  • Tommy Points: 8
What used to happen:

Guys like LeBron and Wade usually got away with travelling because of the unwritten rule interpretation, but other players usually did not.

What should happen:

Now they've updated the rules, LeBron and Wade can continue to get away with what they used to do, but now everyone else can do that too.

What will happen:

This will give them an excuse to let LeBron get away with moves like the Crab Dribble (which as noted above is still probably a travel even under the new rules) and he and Wade will probably get away with 4 steps now instead of 3.

Oh, and the Celtics will still win the title by playing fundamental team basketball, but nobody will give them any credit and they'll still be the most hated team in the league.

Re: NBA travelling rules, and Video Rulebook website
« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2009, 08:20:13 AM »

Offline Fan from VT

  • NCE
  • Antoine Walker
  • ****
  • Posts: 4205
  • Tommy Points: 777
I think we're getting a little worked up over nothing. The famous crab dribble was just 3 steps, and it was called right away. Watch a highlight reel of any NBA player for the last 25 years, and you'll find that true 1-step layups are a rarity. nearly everything is two steps. Most stuff that looks like a travel intuitively is just two steps that cover an incredible amount of ground because basketball players have gotten so much more athletic and creative. But read the full description of travelling:

Quote
Section XIII—Traveling

a. A player who receives the ball while standing still may pivot, using either foot as the pivot foot.

b. A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball. A player who receives the ball while he is progressing must release the ball to start his dribble before his second step. The first step occurs when a foot, or both feet, touch the floor after gaining control of the ball. The second step occurs after the first step when the other foot touches the floor, or both feet touch the floor simultaneously. A player who comes to a stop on step one when both feet are on the floor or touch the floor simultaneously may pivot using either foot as his pivot. If he jumps with both feet he must release the ball before either foot touches the floor. A player who lands with one foot first may only pivot using that foot. A progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step. In this situation, the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either returns to the floor.

c. In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball while standing still, or (2) coming to a legal stop, the ball must be out of the player’s hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor.

d. If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball. e. A player who falls to the floor while holding the ball, or while coming to a stop, may not gain an advantage by sliding.

f. A player who attempts a field goal may not be the first to touch the ball if it fails to touch the backboard, basket ring or another player.

g. A player may not be the first to touch his own pass unless the ball touches his backboard, basket ring or another player. h. Upon ending his dribble or gaining control of the ball, a player may not touch the floor consecutively with the same foot (hop).

PENALTY: Loss of ball. The ball is awarded to the opposing team at the sideline, nearest spot of the violation but no nearer the baseline than the foul line extended.

It's all stuff we can picture any NBA player doing, at least for the past 25 years or so.

Re: NBA travelling rules, and Video Rulebook website
« Reply #33 on: October 22, 2009, 04:16:28 PM »

Offline Redz

  • Punner
  • Global Moderator
  • Red Auerbach
  • *******************************
  • Posts: 31742
  • Tommy Points: 3845
  • Yup


Now, you can stop.  This changes the game, literally.

If that's the truth, it would make for some crazy post move options.

It would also make picking up the dribble a lot less of a cardinal sin for a point guard.



That's what I am saying.  Read my OP and specifically what is bolded.  That's how I'm interpreting it.  Are you?

No one seems to care.  Not surprised.  The game is entertainment now...  ::)

Brick, I think it's the "in coming to a stop part" that's the key.  If they stop their dribble they can stand there, then arbitrarily take two more steps later. 

That can't be what the rulemakers intended.  If it was, they've probably destroyed the NBA product as we know it.  For starters, post players will be almost impossible to stop.

SOrry.  That was a typo.  My "can", should have been "can't"...minor difference huh
And Redz I'm hoping your reading of this is right or else what will we be watching?  I wouldn't be basketball, that's for sure.

Anyone take notice of Shaq's triple pivot move last night?  Mike & Tommy sort of joked about it, but this is exactly the stuff we feared.  It will be interesting to see how much players start taking advantage of it as they become more comfortable with the concept.  If that was a legal move by Shaq last night - not a blown non-call - it will be frightening.
Yup