NBA travelling rules, and Video Rulebook website

[BrickJames]

Seriously let's be clear here.  Two steps was never explicit, but, the way it has been called is that if you pick up the dribble, you can take two steps if and only if the second step is a fluid part of a "finishing" move (i.e. shooting or passing).

This new rule allows non-fluid two step movement (i.e. "coming to a stop" "upon completion of a dribble".)

Does no one care about this?  This is more than just "putting in writing what is already called".  Two steps upon completing a dribble, and then coming to a stop???  Since when could you do that?

[crownsy]

Seriously let's be clear here.  Two steps was never explicit, but, the way it has been called is that if you pick up the dribble, you can take two steps if and only if the second step is a fluid part of a "finishing" move (i.e. shooting or passing).

This new rule allows non-fluid two step movement (i.e. "coming to a stop" "upon completion of a dribble".)

Does no one care about this?  This is more than just "putting in writing what is already called".  Two steps upon completing a dribble, and then coming to a stop???  Since when could you do that?

it doesn't say "and" it says "or". that's important here.

so you couldn't take to steps and then do a hop step. you could either take a step and end with a hop or you could take two steps after a dribble. one OR the other

 it's simply saying what they've been incorrectly calling by the rule book is now legal, I.E that you get two steps.

I don't like it, but it's not really a rule change. that's how the've been calling traveling since i've been watching basketball, and from watching old film, ever since the mid 80's.

[BrickJames]

No dude, the fact that it says OR means:

You can get the ball, and dribble.

In stopping dribbling, you can take two steps, and come to a stop (or pass or shoot).

It used to be called that if you passed/shot in the second step in a fluid way, that was fine.  If you stopped after the second step and didn't make a basketball move, it was a travel.

Now, you can stop.  This changes the game, literally.

[Redz]

Now, you can stop.  This changes the game, literally.

If that's the truth, it would make for some crazy post move options.

It would also make picking up the dribble a lot less of a cardinal sin for a point guard.

[BrickJames]

Now, you can stop.  This changes the game, literally.

If that's the truth, it would make for some crazy post move options.

It would also make picking up the dribble a lot less of a cardinal sin for a point guard.

That's what I am saying.  Read my OP and specifically what is bolded.  That's how I'm interpreting it.  Are you?

No one seems to care.  Not surprised.  The game is entertainment now... 

[Schupac]

Now, you can stop.  This changes the game, literally.

If that's the truth, it would make for some crazy post move options.

It would also make picking up the dribble a lot less of a cardinal sin for a point guard.

That's what I am saying.  Read my OP and specifically what is bolded.  That's how I'm interpreting it.  Are you?

No one seems to care.  Not surprised.  The game is entertainment now... 

Brick, to play devil's advocate here, look at what you are saying:

"The game is entertainment..."

This entire thing is about entertainment.  Now of course, a lot of us get more entertainment out of watching the game as it was originally intended... but do you wonder if some people were saying things just like this when the 24 second shot clock was introduced?

It's something to think about, but I do think the sitation here is fueled more by BronBron style star power and the need for more glitter and glam in the game then by truly improving the quality of the game.  But you could have made the same argument when they introduced the 24 hour shot clock, or the 3 point line

[Redz]

Now, you can stop.  This changes the game, literally.

If that's the truth, it would make for some crazy post move options.

It would also make picking up the dribble a lot less of a cardinal sin for a point guard.

That's what I am saying.  Read my OP and specifically what is bolded.  That's how I'm interpreting it.  Are you?

No one seems to care.  Not surprised.  The game is entertainment now... 

Brick, I think it's the "in coming to a stop part" that's the key.  If they stop their dribble they can stand there, then arbitrarily take two more steps later. 

[Brickowski]

Now, you can stop.  This changes the game, literally.

If that's the truth, it would make for some crazy post move options.

It would also make picking up the dribble a lot less of a cardinal sin for a point guard.

That's what I am saying.  Read my OP and specifically what is bolded.  That's how I'm interpreting it.  Are you?

No one seems to care.  Not surprised.  The game is entertainment now... 

Brick, I think it's the "in coming to a stop part" that's the key.  If they stop their dribble they can stand there, then arbitrarily take two more steps later. 

That can't be what the rulemakers intended.  If it was, they've probably destroyed the NBA product as we know it.  For starters, post players will be almost impossible to stop.

[Redz]

Now, you can stop.  This changes the game, literally.

If that's the truth, it would make for some crazy post move options.

It would also make picking up the dribble a lot less of a cardinal sin for a point guard.

That's what I am saying.  Read my OP and specifically what is bolded.  That's how I'm interpreting it.  Are you?

No one seems to care.  Not surprised.  The game is entertainment now... 

Brick, I think it's the "in coming to a stop part" that's the key.  If they stop their dribble they can stand there, then arbitrarily take two more steps later. 

That can't be what the rulemakers intended.  If it was, they've probably destroyed the NBA product as we know it.  For starters, post players will be almost impossible to stop.

SOrry.  That was a typo.  My "can", should have been "can't"...minor difference huh

[RAcker]

Now, you can stop.  This changes the game, literally.

If that's the truth, it would make for some crazy post move options.

It would also make picking up the dribble a lot less of a cardinal sin for a point guard.

That's what I am saying.  Read my OP and specifically what is bolded.  That's how I'm interpreting it.  Are you?

No one seems to care.  Not surprised.  The game is entertainment now... 

Brick, I think it's the "in coming to a stop part" that's the key.  If they stop their dribble they can stand there, then arbitrarily take two more steps later. 

That can't be what the rulemakers intended.  If it was, they've probably destroyed the NBA product as we know it.  For starters, post players will be almost impossible to stop.

SOrry.  That was a typo.  My "can", should have been "can't"...minor difference huh

And Redz I'm hoping your reading of this is right or else what will we be watching?  I wouldn't be basketball, that's for sure.

[dano313]

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/7097/the-two-step

Read Truehoop's take, I agree that there won't be a huge difference on the court this year.  Look at the amended rules.  Many of the concerns voiced in this post are still traveling violations.

[PosImpos]

Correct me if I'm wrong - I'm not always clear about the rules of basketball - my understanding was you take two steps without dribbling when you're going for something like a layup or a dunk. 

But now they're adding that you can be dribbling it and then take not one but two steps before coming to a stop and taking a shot or something like that?

So say somebody could get passed the ball on the perimeter, they pump fake, then take not just one, but two full steps into mid-range, and take a jumpshot.

Am I understanding this correctly?  I know this is basically how they've called the NBA game forever so it doesn't really make a difference for the game we watch.  Although hopefully now they won't let LeBron take 5 steps (5 seemed to be the threshold at which they would finally call traveling on him).

[guava_wrench]

Now, you can stop.  This changes the game, literally.

If that's the truth, it would make for some crazy post move options.

It would also make picking up the dribble a lot less of a cardinal sin for a point guard.

That's what I am saying.  Read my OP and specifically what is bolded.  That's how I'm interpreting it.  Are you?

No one seems to care.  Not surprised.  The game is entertainment now... 

Brick, to play devil's advocate here, look at what you are saying:

"The game is entertainment..."

This entire thing is about entertainment.  Now of course, a lot of us get more entertainment out of watching the game as it was originally intended... but do you wonder if some people were saying things just like this when the 24 second shot clock was introduced?

It's something to think about, but I do think the sitation here is fueled more by BronBron style star power and the need for more glitter and glam in the game then by truly improving the quality of the game.  But you could have made the same argument when they introduced the 24 hour shot clock, or the 3 point line

I don't think it is fueled by starts like Lebron at all. It is fueled by complaints by fans that refs aren't calling the rules as they are written. This happens with all sorts of players. People just like to complain when it is Lebron.

The way to address the complaint is to get how the game is called in sync with the rules. They are doing this by updating the rule.

[Bahku]

I don't think changing this rule will improve the game in the slightest. To keep the game on the level that it has been, they should have just decided to start calling the rule as it was intended, not change the rule to fit their lack of accuracy. They haven't called travelling as it should have been called for a long time, but the solution should not have been changing the rule, but rather calling it as it should have been called.

How will we guage new records being set when present-day and future players will have an advantage that former players did not? Does anyone honestly think this won't change the game at all? Before this they weren't calling 2 steps, now they'll stop calling three. The whole thing is just an excuse to make up for their lack of bringing integrity to officiating. I, for one, wish they had left the whole thing alone, started calling travelling the way it should have been called, and given extra calls to anyone whining about it.

To think this will have no effect on the game, is very naive', to say the least.

[GKC]

If I'm correct in reading the definition, this does legalize the crab dribble right?

It's like that two footed "pro-hop" in NBA Live 05. Completely overpowered.