JR Giddens out of the NBA after this season?

[guava_wrench]

It seems that JR Giddens has the physical tools to play in the league but the mental focus? I think he was drafted because of the 'P' word and he will be here another year for the same reason. Whether he ever has a shot at minutes on this team is another subject.

The Celtics are all but desperate to add depth at the wing...or are they? We keep Tony Allen on the roster, even after Bill Walker is injured there is no FA invitee in camp competing for a job.

The fact that Giddens and Walker see virtually no minutes in their rookie year is not a big deal given Doc Rivers penchant for not playing Rookies. If Ray Allen or Paul Pierce were out injured for a month would we sign or trade for a wing player? Play Daniels, Scalabrine and House a lot more? I bet it would be number two.

I have to ask myself.....are Giddens or Walker better able to help us right now than Rashad McCants? Carlos Delfino? There are/were a bunch of guys available out there that could help us but can they crack Doc's rotation ahead of Eddie or Scal, let alone Daniels?

If the 'P' word is potential, I completely disagree. He had little potential at his age. They thought he could contribute within a year. Walker was drafted on potential. Not Giddens.

The fact that Giddens didn't get minutes IS a big deal. Less so for Walker since Walker is younger. That Giddens couldn't see the floor when Doc was forced to play Walker and when TA was playing gimpy seems a pretty good clue into how little the team thought of Giddens.

[BudweiserCeltic]

It seems that JR Giddens has the physical tools to play in the league but the mental focus? I think he was drafted because of the 'P' word and he will be here another year for the same reason. Whether he ever has a shot at minutes on this team is another subject.

The Celtics are all but desperate to add depth at the wing...or are they? We keep Tony Allen on the roster, even after Bill Walker is injured there is no FA invitee in camp competing for a job.

The fact that Giddens and Walker see virtually no minutes in their rookie year is not a big deal given Doc Rivers penchant for not playing Rookies. If Ray Allen or Paul Pierce were out injured for a month would we sign or trade for a wing player? Play Daniels, Scalabrine and House a lot more? I bet it would be number two.

I have to ask myself.....are Giddens or Walker better able to help us right now than Rashad McCants? Carlos Delfino? There are/were a bunch of guys available out there that could help us but can they crack Doc's rotation ahead of Eddie or Scal, let alone Daniels?

If the 'P' word is potential, I completely disagree. He had little potential at his age. They thought he could contribute within a year. Walker was drafted on potential. Not Giddens.

The fact that Giddens didn't get minutes IS a big deal. Less so for Walker since Walker is younger. That Giddens couldn't see the floor when Doc was forced to play Walker and when TA was playing gimpy seems a pretty good clue into how little the team thought of Giddens.

It's not a big deal. Again, to be able to get on the floor, you need to dress up. Walker was with the team for a good portion of the 2nd half, Giddens wasn't. Giddens didn't have time to practice with the team, for one, so Doc wouldn't have inserted him... He also was nursing a wrist injury at times during the season, sometimes he played sometimes he didn't (in Dleague).

So, that Walker, who was with the actual team under Doc eyes barely got on the floor is more telling. One of Walker and Giddens, was going to be given the opportunity. In my opinion it should've been Giddens, they chose Walker and he did nothing with it.

Walker has more potential no doubt... I've been of the opinion that Giddens is better right now, and should've been playing instead of Walker. But it's not my call to make. Would he have taken advantage of the opportunity had it presented itself? I really don't know, but the opportunity should've been there for him instead of Walker as far as I'm concerned. Walker stood out during preseason, plus he was with the team during summer... that helped him quite a bit in that regard.

And we had good depth at the wing positions, plus when people started going down, Marbury and Moore showed up... and the minutes went to them because they needed to be prepared, forcefully, for the playoffs. They didn't work out.

[RAcker]

I think we would all assume as well that Danny and Doc looked at plenty of footage from the D-League and had multiple discussions with those coaches.  I can't imagine that they much liked what they saw regardless of stats.

Look, you or I might go down to the D-League and score 10 or so points per over several games and dish out a handful of assists each game, but if we look wild, unpredictable, lost, etc. we can't possibly expect that stats against lesser competition is going to convince our NBA bosses that we belong on the floor playing meaningful minutes in the big leagues.  

Then again, we could have very unimpressive stats in the D-League for one reason or another and yet our bosses see us "getting it" and busting our humps which might convince them to give us some run.

It appears that Giddens played well for D-League standards, but that Danny and Doc watched his footage and talked to his coaches and just concluded that he wasn't "getting it".

[billysan]

It seems that JR Giddens has the physical tools to play in the league but the mental focus? I think he was drafted because of the 'P' word and he will be here another year for the same reason. Whether he ever has a shot at minutes on this team is another subject.

The Celtics are all but desperate to add depth at the wing...or are they? We keep Tony Allen on the roster, even after Bill Walker is injured there is no FA invitee in camp competing for a job.

The fact that Giddens and Walker see virtually no minutes in their rookie year is not a big deal given Doc Rivers penchant for not playing Rookies. If Ray Allen or Paul Pierce were out injured for a month would we sign or trade for a wing player? Play Daniels, Scalabrine and House a lot more? I bet it would be number two.

I have to ask myself.....are Giddens or Walker better able to help us right now than Rashad McCants? Carlos Delfino? There are/were a bunch of guys available out there that could help us but can they crack Doc's rotation ahead of Eddie or Scal, let alone Daniels?

If the 'P' word is potential, I completely disagree. He had little potential at his age. They thought he could contribute within a year. Walker was drafted on potential. Not Giddens.

The fact that Giddens didn't get minutes IS a big deal. Less so for Walker since Walker is younger. That Giddens couldn't see the floor when Doc was forced to play Walker and when TA was playing gimpy seems a pretty good clue into how little the team thought of Giddens.

It's not a big deal. Again, to be able to get on the floor, you need to dress up. Walker was with the team for a good portion of the 2nd half, Giddens wasn't. Giddens didn't have time to practice with the team, for one, so Doc wouldn't have inserted him... He also was nursing a wrist injury at times during the season, sometimes he played sometimes he didn't (in Dleague).

So, that Walker, who was with the actual team under Doc eyes barely got on the floor is more telling. One of Walker and Giddens, was going to be given the opportunity. In my opinion it should've been Giddens, they chose Walker and he did nothing with it.

Walker has more potential no doubt... I've been of the opinion that Giddens is better right now, and should've been playing instead of Walker. But it's not my call to make. Would he have taken advantage of the opportunity had it presented itself? I really don't know, but the opportunity should've been there for him instead of Walker as far as I'm concerned. Walker stood out during preseason, plus he was with the team during summer... that helped him quite a bit in that regard.

And we had good depth at the wing positions, plus when people started going down, Marbury and Moore showed up... and the minutes went to them because they needed to be prepared, forcefully, for the playoffs. They didn't work out.

Big Deal or not, the reality here for Giddens and Walker is that they were never going to see the floor as rookies on a championship team under Doc Rivers unless they happen to be dressed on a particular night and we were in the midst of a blowout.

That probably still holds true for this year as well. The only thing at this stage that would change it, is if a rotation player gets seriously hurt and we are desperate. The fact that they dont have the ability to crack the rotation now or in the near future is already established isnt it?