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Re: Opinion: KG will miss most of next season
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2009, 04:44:13 PM »

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Wait a second, Paul Pierce said on CSN a few days ago that KG was actually doing a bit of basketball. What is this about KG now having to miss time? Oh wait, it's just your "opinion", or like Neurotic Guy said, your gut feeling.  ::)

Yeah...I think I'll wait until something comes out saying KG has to miss time. Rumors don't count at this point.
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Re: Opinion: KG will miss most of next season
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2009, 04:46:38 PM »

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So what you have is an opinion that is based on limited or missing information regarding the nature of the injury, the degree of completeness of the recovery, the prognosis, his current work/practice regimen, or the opinions/assessments of doctors, coaches, trainers or KG himself. In addition, I assume that, like the rest of us, you haven't seen him play since April.   How is it possible to call what you have an opinion? Call it s gut feeling, a complete guess, a shot in the dark -- but not an opinion. 

While I don't AGREE with KPC's assessment, he certainly has a right to what is, definitely, his opinion.


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Re: Opinion: KG will miss most of next season
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2009, 05:29:34 PM »

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Regardless of wordplay, I just hope KG can play and be somewhat effective this season. It is easy to be a pessimist when there is no clear information out there to sink our teeth into.

There does seem to be a bit of 'leaning' toward taking it easy with KG in recent news but no real clarity. Is this because the Celtics are not ready to make a commitment to his health and recovery status? Is it because KG is a private person in the off season and doesnt give much if any info in interviews when away from the team?

It is easy to come up with theories when little or no facts are available. That we signed Sheed, resigned Big Baby and added Shelden Williams should be good news from a bigman depth standpoint. Instead, it seems that we now are trying to guess who is KG's replacement or if he even needs one.

All we can do is wait and see. The truth will be out there soon enough when the preseason starts. If we dont see KG in the preseason opener will there be more speculations of his health?

You betcha......... ::)
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Re: Opinion: KG will miss most of next season
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2009, 05:47:29 PM »

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I would have no problem with the title of this thread so long as you instert the words "Totally Uninformed" before the word "Opinion."

It would be nice to hear what an orthopedic surgeon has to say about the range of possible outcomes with this kind of injury.

Right now I'm more worried about the lack of a backup pg than I am about KG's knee.

Re: Opinion: KG will miss most of next season
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2009, 06:19:13 PM »

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So what you have is an opinion that is based on limited or missing information regarding the nature of the injury, the degree of completeness of the recovery, the prognosis, his current work/practice regimen, or the opinions/assessments of doctors, coaches, trainers or KG himself. In addition, I assume that, like the rest of us, you haven't seen him play since April.   How is it possible to call what you have an opinion? Call it s gut feeling, a complete guess, a shot in the dark -- but not an opinion. 

While I don't AGREE with KPC's assessment, he certainly has a right to what is, definitely, his opinion.


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2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion. 
4. Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5. a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion. 
6. a favorable estimate; esteem: I haven't much of an opinion of him.
 


But an opinion is still based on some sort of grounds, even if they are "insufficient to produce certainty."  What do any of us know about KG's situation other than some extremely limited vague reports? 

My argument isn't that I agree or disagree with KPC; it's that I don't think there's any basis for any sort of opinion right now.  Perhaps as Brickowski said, maybe if he put "totally uninformed" before the "opinion" part, but what's the purpose in starting a thread on a "totally uninformed opinion"?
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Re: Opinion: KG will miss most of next season
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Live in the present.....try to avoid opinions that are not based on fact and only lead to cluttering the mind and draining your energy.  This is the perfect time for a Mark Twain quote...he once said that he had lived through many terrible events in his life and some of them actually happened. Let's see what happens when the season starts.
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Re: Opinion: KG will miss most of next season
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Even if KG is able to come back, which I think he will, later on in the regular season, I still expect Rasheed to continue being the starter.

Hahaha, I think someone's getting a bit carried away.  :P


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Re: Opinion: KG will miss most of next season
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2009, 06:39:21 PM »

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So what you have is an opinion that is based on limited or missing information regarding the nature of the injury, the degree of completeness of the recovery, the prognosis, his current work/practice regimen, or the opinions/assessments of doctors, coaches, trainers or KG himself. In addition, I assume that, like the rest of us, you haven't seen him play since April.   How is it possible to call what you have an opinion? Call it s gut feeling, a complete guess, a shot in the dark -- but not an opinion. 

While I don't AGREE with KPC's assessment, he certainly has a right to what is, definitely, his opinion.


o⋅pin⋅ion /əˈpɪnyən/  Show Spelled Pronunciation [uh-pin-yuhn]
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1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion. 
4. Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5. a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion. 
6. a favorable estimate; esteem: I haven't much of an opinion of him.
 


But an opinion is still based on some sort of grounds, even if they are "insufficient to produce certainty."  What do any of us know about KG's situation other than some extremely limited vague reports. 

My argument isn't that I agree or disagree with KPC; it's that I don't think there's any basis for any sort of opinion right now.  Perhaps as Brickowski said, maybe if he put "totally uninformed" before the "opinion" part, but what's the purpose in starting a thread on a "totally uninformed opinion"?

Yeah ... I hear where you're coming from, and it makes sense, I just think the guy's entitled to his opinion, whether it stands up to scrutiny or not ... that's what makes these blog wheels go round-and-round, after all ... and sometimes the seemingly outrageous opinions can birth the best dialogue. TP for the great discussion, though ... I think we're all shooting in the dark when it comes to KG's status/injury.
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Re: Opinion: KG will miss most of next season
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2009, 06:49:53 PM »

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So what you have is an opinion that is based on limited or missing information regarding the nature of the injury, the degree of completeness of the recovery, the prognosis, his current work/practice regimen, or the opinions/assessments of doctors, coaches, trainers or KG himself. In addition, I assume that, like the rest of us, you haven't seen him play since April.   How is it possible to call what you have an opinion? Call it s gut feeling, a complete guess, a shot in the dark -- but not an opinion. 

While I don't AGREE with KPC's assessment, he certainly has a right to what is, definitely, his opinion.


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1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion. 
4. Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5. a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion. 
6. a favorable estimate; esteem: I haven't much of an opinion of him.
 

It is needless to say that anyone can take any information, regardless of its lack of depth or veracity, and form an opinion.  Based on the semantic argument put forth, I'll amend my initial comments to state that he is entitled to an opinion, even if strikingly uninformed, but would have been better to have entitled the thread: "Wild Guess: KG Will Miss Most of Next Season". 

Re: Opinion: KG will miss most of next season
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2009, 06:54:56 PM »

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So what you have is an opinion that is based on limited or missing information regarding the nature of the injury, the degree of completeness of the recovery, the prognosis, his current work/practice regimen, or the opinions/assessments of doctors, coaches, trainers or KG himself. In addition, I assume that, like the rest of us, you haven't seen him play since April.   How is it possible to call what you have an opinion? Call it s gut feeling, a complete guess, a shot in the dark -- but not an opinion. 

While I don't AGREE with KPC's assessment, he certainly has a right to what is, definitely, his opinion.


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1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion. 
4. Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5. a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion. 
6. a favorable estimate; esteem: I haven't much of an opinion of him.
 

It is needless to say that anyone can take any information, regardless of its lack of depth or veracity, and form an opinion.  Based on the semantic argument put forth, I'll amend my initial comments to state that he is entitled to an opinion, even if strikingly uninformed, but would have been better to have entitled the thread: "Wild Guess: KG Will Miss Most of Next Season". 

I'll back you up on that one, lol! Well said! (TP)
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Re: Opinion: KG will miss most of next season
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2009, 07:32:03 PM »

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 I'm from New Jersey and I spoke with the Nets coach Lawrence Franks a few minutes on Friday. Asked him about the rumor of KG having his tendons stapled...He said that rumor is not true and everything he's heard from his contacts is that KG will be fine. Franks is a real down to earth guy....Hopefully, KG will be good to go once the season begins.....

Re: Opinion: KG will miss most of next season
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2009, 08:34:27 PM »

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I'm from New Jersey and I spoke with the Nets coach Lawrence Franks a few minutes on Friday. Asked him about the rumor of KG having his tendons stapled...He said that rumor is not true and everything he's heard from his contacts is that KG will be fine. Franks is a real down to earth guy....Hopefully, KG will be good to go once the season begins.....
As we all know, Lawrence Franks was the assisting RN during the surgery.   ;)

This thread is like kicking yourself in the scrotum (if that were possible).

Re: Opinion: KG will miss most of next season
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2009, 08:50:51 PM »

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I guess having that opinion could soften the blow if in reality he has lingering issues this season.  But it's an opinion based with no facts.

In regards to your point concerning his defensive skills declining, he was just as good in the earlier portion of last season when the C's started out 27-2 as he was in 2008 when he won the DPOY.  So I'll have to see it to believe it.

Here's to hoping you're wrong.  I guess we would both be hoping that.
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Re: Opinion: KG will miss most of next season
« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2009, 10:28:48 PM »

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The days of KG being a top 5 player were already over before the injury.  He averaged 16 and 8 when healthy.  I hope he comes back with enough left in the tank that we can take advantage of our additions and compete for a title for another year or two.

the averages are totally misleading, they would drop regardless just from playing with Pierce and Ray. I can't think of more than 203 players I would rather have than KG right now if I wanted to compete for a title.

 :o That's alot of players. j/k  ;)

Re: Opinion: KG will miss most of next season
« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2009, 11:31:49 PM »

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Ok folks, the theme of this thread is wrong. Ray's had spurs removed from his ankles, a.k.a the focal point of strength for a jumper shooter. In other words, his game was severely hampered afterward for much of the season. This is a critical biomechanical difference in injury type.

On the other knee (pardon intended), KG had a spur pressing against a ligament in the knee itself. Once the spur is arthroscopically cleaned out (which minimizes internal scar tissue formation since nothing is actually *cut*), the ligament returns to it natural state, strength is restored, and the player can resume his game. This doesn't really take that long to recover from but like all surgeries, it's better to play conservative for a while.