What is Perk really worth?

[xmuscularghandix]

Kendrick Perkins is the best Center the C's have had since the day Robert Parish left. Now we can say that he could put up more points, he could be a better FT shooter... but who cares? He's a defensive force mentally and physically, He has shown HUGE improvement in his offensive game down low, and his season avg's are actually low enough that i think he'll stay affordable.

Perk and RR are the future of this team. If RR can consistently perform as well as he did in the playoff he'll be an All-Star/All-Defensive lock in for years to come. And If Perk can be Perk then the tail end of our defense is locked down. Look at it this way:


If we can get these numbers...
Rajon Rondo: 18pts 9ast 5reb
(Shooting Guard)
(Small Forward)
Glen Davis: 14pts 6reb 2ast
Kendrick Perkins: 11pts 11reb 2blk


With these three in the starting lineup we can be one good 2011 pickup away from a team that will continue to contend in the post-Big3 Era.

[ScoobyDoo]

Alot. Ideally, Perkins and Rondo are the book ends between which you fill in the players for the next championship run.

The two most difficult positions to fill and arguably the most important for winning rings are the point and center; someone to man the paint and someone to run the show. In Perkins and Rondo we tow very feisty, physical, aggressive and talented youngsters at these positions and they really set a tone for this team.

This being said, you have to package Perkins with the right power forward for it to work. Perk is a plodding bruiser who plays some great D but doesn't score all that much. You need to put an athletic offensively minded PF next to him...like KG, for the mix to work.

But as others have correctly stated, I think Perk shines best when he is complimentary, rather than being the focal guy, the man.

I'd say $7.5 to $8.5 wouyld be just about fair. I think paying $10 mil plus would be too much. Seems like salaries like that should be from real impact guys like Ray, Pierce, Kobe, KG, Wade, Bron, etc.

I knwo there are other big men out there, I just don't if it's worth paying that kind of money+ for them unless they're Dwight Howard, etc. Though I also have to say Perkins plays Howard almost straight up... very tough call.

I'll conclude...If I didPay Perkins that much, I'd be looking for Rondo, Perkins and one other max contract player to be enough to take me to the promised land again. Would it be?      

[Mr October]

Kendrick Perkins is the best Center the C's have had since the day Robert Parish left. Now we can say that he could put up more points, he could be a better FT shooter... but who cares? He's a defensive force mentally and physically, He has shown HUGE improvement in his offensive game down low, and his season avg's are actually low enough that i think he'll stay affordable.

Perk and RR are the future of this team. If RR can consistently perform as well as he did in the playoff he'll be an All-Star/All-Defensive lock in for years to come. And If Perk can be Perk then the tail end of our defense is locked down. Look at it this way:


If we can get these numbers...
Rajon Rondo: 18pts 9ast 5reb
(Shooting Guard)
(Small Forward)
Glen Davis: 14pts 6reb 2ast
Kendrick Perkins: 11pts 11reb 2blk


With these three in the starting lineup we can be one good 2011 pickup away from a team that will continue to contend in the post-Big3 Era.

That line up would be 1 piece away from contending for a playoff position, not a championship.

Maybe Rondo evolves into an all star, maybe not. But the C's will need 2 more big time pieces in order to contend. And I mean big time - Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh caliber.

1. Rondo
2. Wade
3. ?
4. Bosh
5. Perkins

That would be the core for a contender. If Perkins gets in the way of landing 2 legit stars, I would be satisfied with the C's moving him.

I want the C's to keep Perkins. I love the guy. But I love the good of the team more.

[Fafnir]

Glen Davis: 14pts 6reb 2ast

Davis isn't starting quality at those numbers. If he's playing 30+ minutes at the 4 he needs to get more than 6 rebounds!

[xmuscularghandix]

Glen Davis: 14pts 6reb 2ast

Davis isn't starting quality at those numbers. If he's playing 30+ minutes at the 4 he needs to get more than 6 rebounds!

Rondo is the best rebounding guard in the league, and Perk has shown that he can get good numbers off the boards.

[Fafnir]

Glen Davis: 14pts 6reb 2ast

Davis isn't starting quality at those numbers. If he's playing 30+ minutes at the 4 he needs to get more than 6 rebounds!

Rondo is the best rebounding guard in the league, and Perk has shown that he can get good numbers off the boards.

And that means what exactly? We still need our starting PF to be a good rebounder, especially on the defensive end. BBD is one of the worst defensive rebounders in the league factoring in position.

With KG in our lineup we were the best rebounding team in the league. Replace him with BBD and we became average, your PF has to get defensive boards.

[bdm860]

I love Perk, and he's an absolute bargain right now.  Is there a better non-rookie contract out there?

For those saying Perk would be overpaid at the $10M range, you can look at it like this, just consider $2-4M of that back pay for his great contract now.  I would love for Perk to sign for cheap, but him and his agent have to know he's on a bargain contract now, they'll probably be looking to make up for it on the next contract.  Probably Perk's last (and only) big pay day, doubt they take a discount.

I love Perk, and while he's a great C, how effective is he really?  Sure he's a great match up against Shaq, Yao, and Dwight Howard, but there's not too many of those guys out there and the NBA has been moving further and further away from that low post style of game.  What happens when teams play guys like Dirk Nowitzke at Center with a PF that also plays outside?  Perk ain't gonna be too effective against those teams.

Perks a great puzzle piece, but not a great cornerstone.  How much do you really want to pay for a puzzle piece when the cornerstones are on their way out?

[Fafnir]

I love Perk, and he's an absolute bargain right now.  Is there a better non-rookie contract out there?

For those saying Perk would be overpaid at the $10M range, you can look at it like this, just consider $2-4M of that back pay for his great contract now.  I would love for Perk to sign for cheap, but him and his agent have to know he's on a bargain contract now, they'll probably be looking to make up for it on the next contract.  Probably Perk's last (and only) big pay day, doubt they take a discount.

I love Perk, and while he's a great C, how effective is he really?  Sure he's a great match up against Shaq, Yao, and Dwight Howard, but there's not too many of those guys out there and the NBA has been moving further and further away from that low post style of game.  What happens when teams play guys like Dirk Nowitzke at Center with a PF that also plays outside?  Perk ain't gonna be too effective against those teams.

Perks a great puzzle piece, but not a great cornerstone.  How much do you really want to pay for a puzzle piece when the cornerstones are on their way out?

I'm confused, you seem to be making two arguments here. Are you just saying 10 million is your upper limit?

Either way the team should not ever look at it like this:

For those saying Perk would be overpaid at the $10M range, you can look at it like this, just consider $2-4M of that back pay for his great contract now.

You can't consider the contact as pay for previous years. It is for future years.

[ManUp]

Perk is worth 7 to 9 Million a year.

10 mill is overpaying, but look at Varejao in clevland.

Being a decent bigman gets you paid in the NBA.

[xmuscularghandix]

Perk is worth 7 to 9 Million a year.

10 mill is overpaying, but look at Varejao in clevland.

Being a decent bigman gets you paid in the NBA.

They are few and far between, plus he's more valuable than anyone else because he already understands our defense.

[nickagneta]

I think what is being overlooked here is what Perk will be worth on the open market. Sorry but as can be seen by the centers that have similar numbers and years and experience, perk is definitely worth, especially if he becomes a guy averaging a double double in the next 2 years, into the eight figure category come 2011-2012. He will still only be 26 years old and entering into his prime as most experts put a player's prime between 27-32 years old.

This will come down to not what you or I think he is worth but what Perk can get on the open market in an atmosphere where the salary cap could once again be going up as the economy recovers. If so, the Celtics management are going to need to decide much earlier than Perk hitting the free agent market whether they want to pay that market price or whether they want to trade him for other players.

And here's the problem with that. If perk comes out and averages 10/10/2+ this year and the C's management decides they don't want to pay him in excess of $10MM per, they will need to trade him as a player with a salary slot of only $4MM+. Most competent replacements for a 26 year old center averaging 10/10/2 are not going to fit into a $4MM salary slot. Heck most starting players won't fit into that slot. Heck most rookies in the top 5 selected each year barely fit into that slot.

[bdm860]

I love Perk, and he's an absolute bargain right now.  Is there a better non-rookie contract out there?

For those saying Perk would be overpaid at the $10M range, you can look at it like this, just consider $2-4M of that back pay for his great contract now.  I would love for Perk to sign for cheap, but him and his agent have to know he's on a bargain contract now, they'll probably be looking to make up for it on the next contract.  Probably Perk's last (and only) big pay day, doubt they take a discount.

I love Perk, and while he's a great C, how effective is he really?  Sure he's a great match up against Shaq, Yao, and Dwight Howard, but there's not too many of those guys out there and the NBA has been moving further and further away from that low post style of game.  What happens when teams play guys like Dirk Nowitzke at Center with a PF that also plays outside?  Perk ain't gonna be too effective against those teams.

Perks a great puzzle piece, but not a great cornerstone.  How much do you really want to pay for a puzzle piece when the cornerstones are on their way out?

I'm confused, you seem to be making two arguments here. Are you just saying 10 million is your upper limit?

Either way the team should not ever look at it like this:

For those saying Perk would be overpaid at the $10M range, you can look at it like this, just consider $2-4M of that back pay for his great contract now.

You can't consider the contact as pay for previous years. It is for future years.

I'm not really making any arguments, just saying my opinion: he's underpaid now, and I think he'll be looking for a big pay day.  I see several people saying $10M is too much, if you think it's too much, I'm just offering another way too look at things.

And we're going to disagree if you think contracts are just for future years.  You don't think teams pad salaries to reward for the past?  Do you think the extension Steve Nash just got from the Suns had nothing to do with what he's done for them the past few seasons?  That Phoenix really predicts he'll be worth $11M per in 2011 and 2012 (when he's 36 and 37) when the competition for his services is the Knicks offering the veteran minimum?  He wasn't getting that money on the open market.  How come stars that stay with their teams sign some of their biggest contracts after there skills have already declined?  Happened to Ewing, Olajuwon, Reggie Miller, etc.  The money they were going to get on the open market was nowhere near what their teams gave them. 

[bdm860]

And here's the problem with that. If perk comes out and averages 10/10/2+ this year and the C's management decides they don't want to pay him in excess of $10MM per, they will need to trade him as a player with a salary slot of only $4MM+. Most competent replacements for a 26 year old center averaging 10/10/2 are not going to fit into a $4MM salary slot. Heck most starting players won't fit into that slot. Heck most rookies in the top 5 selected each year barely fit into that slot.

Ya know I've thought of this too.  The way I figure it, if the C's traded Perk cuz they didn't think they could re-sign him, I think he'd likely be traded for a lottery pick on his rookie contract.  Something like Perk for Rudy Gay (and whatever it takes to make the contracts match).  Or Perk for Spencer Hawes, etc.  Could be a rare time when we see a fair trade involving a good player on a rookie contract and a good player on a non-rookie contract.  (Not saying Perk for Rudy Gay or Spencer Hawes is fair, just the first good rookie contract players that popped in my head).

[Tnerb02]

Perk is worth as much as another team will give him and I can't see anyone giving him more than the full MLE.

[hwangjini_1]

To be nice, I would say that Perk is worth his weight in gold...but that would just be a ridiculous amount of gold.  So, that would be an extreme overstatement.

amazingly enough, perk weighs 280 pounds, which is 4,480 ounces.

gold is going for about $1,010 per ounce.

so a solid gold perk is worth $4,524,800.

his salary was $4,078,880.

so in terms of being worth his weight in gold, perk is being under paid.