What is Perk really worth?

[BoundingRounder]

PLENTY! ...as in GOOD and...

[Who]

A lot of those other centers were paid in large part because of their perceived potential -- all rookie contracts, most were impressive athletes, hopes of adding more skills to their package -- but I don't think Perkins will be in the same boat. He'll be 8 years into his career + his skills and athleticism aren't as desirable. So, I'm not convinced he'll get as good offers as those other players.

In terms of value, I think Perkins is easily worth $10 million per annum. I'd be absolutely delighted with anything under that amount, and I'd be willing to go as high as $12 million per annum to hold onto him.

Actually, every single one of those contracts are beyond the rookie contracts.

They were all just coming off their rookie contracts when they signed their new contracts though ... right?

What's your point? Patrick O'Bryant came off his rookie contract and didn't get $10 million per. Neither did Chris Mihm, Eddie Griffin, Kwame Brown, Dasagna Diop, or Marcus Haislip. You prove your potential to get huge bucks on the extension of your rookie contract or the contract right thereafter. Teams don't necessarily still give out huge money for potential into the second contract. You have to have talent to get that second contract nowadays.

I think Kendrick Perkins is in a different situation than those other players. I think a good chunk of their paycheck was down to potential ... and I'm doubtful about Perkins being given that same recognition because he'll be further into his career (8 seasons) and his game will be pretty established, so teams will have a much better idea of what they're paying for.

[BballTim]

A lot of those other centers were paid in large part because of their perceived potential -- all rookie contracts, most were impressive athletes, hopes of adding more skills to their package -- but I don't think Perkins will be in the same boat. He'll be 8 years into his career + his skills and athleticism aren't as desirable. So, I'm not convinced he'll get as good offers as those other players.

In terms of value, I think Perkins is easily worth $10 million per annum. I'd be absolutely delighted with anything under that amount, and I'd be willing to go as high as $12 million per annum to hold onto him.

Actually, every single one of those contracts are beyond the rookie contracts.

They were all just coming off their rookie contracts when they signed their new contracts though ... right?

What's your point? Patrick O'Bryant came off his rookie contract and didn't get $10 million per. Neither did Chris Mihm, Eddie Griffin, Kwame Brown, Dasagna Diop, or Marcus Haislip. You prove your potential to get huge bucks on the extension of your rookie contract or the contract right thereafter. Teams don't necessarily still give out huge money for potential into the second contract. You have to have talent to get that second contract nowadays.

I think Kendrick Perkins is in a different situation than those other players. I think a good chunk of their paycheck was down to potential ... and I'm doubtful about Perkins being given that same recognition because he'll be further into his career (8 seasons) and his game will be pretty established, so teams will have a much better idea of what they're paying for.

  He'd also help his case if he could make it through a season without shoulder issues.

[incoherent]

I would take Perk over every single one of those other players.

[Celtics17]

I am always amazed at how much Perk is under appreciated. It's mainly by the rest of the league but even here I see it. He looks to me like the best low post defender in the game and I have seen Dwight Howard play as well. Sure, Perk needs more offense but he doesnt need it on this team so who cares. There are only a few players in the league who can play the center position with such strength, power and focus on defense the way Perk does.

[Chris]

I am always amazed at how much Perk is under appreciated. It's mainly by the rest of the league but even here I see it. He looks to me like the best low post defender in the game and I have seen Dwight Howard play as well. Sure, Perk needs more offense but he doesnt need it on this team so who cares. There are only a few players in the league who can play the center position with such strength, power and focus on defense the way Perk does.

Have you been reading the thread?  This is about giving Perk a massive contract in two years, when this team won't be the same.  When KG, Pierce, and Allen are gone, are they going to want to pay a player who is a liability on offense $10+ million per year?

[Drucci]

Great thread idea and description of Perk, TP nick (as usual should I say).

I think Perk is worth 10 millions dollars a year, maybe even more. The only thing that would scary me if I was to give him his paychek is that he has recurrent shoulder problems.

But that problem put aside... Perkins is worth a lot of money and I hope he will stay a Celtic come free agency time.

[liam]

Perk is worth as much as Andris Biedrins - 23 years old - signed for $45 million for the next 5 years.

[incoherent]

He's not a liability on offense.  I do not have stats in front of me, but from watching it seems when Perk gets his number called he has a very nice and very accurate turn around hook.

I think he's just not required to score. Given the chance he has the ability, I believe.

[PosImpos]

I love Perkins, but this is a tough call.

Right now he's exactly what we need, but as others have said, in a couple years we're not going to have the fantastic offensive players we currently have now.  Unless we can replace Ray, Pierce, and KG with players who can take up the slack on offense, we're going to need a center who is more offensively oriented.  

Perk is a perfect center to go alongside a PF who is an offensive force or who can play away from the basket, but if he's not surrounded by stars he's going to look like a liability.

I think Rondo is going to have a similar problem in a couple years, though, unless he improves his shooting.

[PosImpos]

He's not a liability on offense.  I do not have stats in front of me, but from watching it seems when Perk gets his number called he has a very nice and very accurate turn around hook.

I think he's just not required to score. Given the chance he has the ability, I believe.

The thing is with our team as currently formulated Perk doesn't have to worry about being covered that much.  So when he gets the ball down low to make a play, he can usually do it without too much trouble because he's the 4th or 5th option most of the time and often is left open.

If we didn't have two amazing shooting wing players and a power forward who presents all kinds of matchup problems for the other team, I really doubt Perk could score as easily as he does.

[wdleehi]

I think you have to ignore what other players have gotten in the past.  Money teams have to play with is smaller and it is the great role players like Perk that are going to see their dollor offers squeezed. 


I could see Perk ending up closer to the 8 million a year club then the 10 million a year club. 

[2short]

I love Perkins, but this is a tough call.

Right now he's exactly what we need, but as others have said, in a couple years we're not going to have the fantastic offensive players we currently have now.  Unless we can replace Ray, Pierce, and KG with players who can take up the slack on offense, we're going to need a center who is more offensively oriented.  

Perk is a perfect center to go alongside a PF who is an offensive force or who can play away from the basket, but if he's not surrounded by stars he's going to look like a liability.

I think Rondo is going to have a similar problem in a couple years, though, unless he improves his shooting.

agreed
His shoulder issues bother me, his footwork and offense need work AND I'd love to see his rebounding numbers up higher.  He is one of the best defensive centers in the league, good shot blocker, good rebounder.  I'd be talking to the big 3 about restructuring and giving some of that $ to rondo & perk.  Keep our starting 5 together for awhile and good things will happen.

[guava_wrench]

I love Perkins, but this is a tough call.

Right now he's exactly what we need, but as others have said, in a couple years we're not going to have the fantastic offensive players we currently have now.  Unless we can replace Ray, Pierce, and KG with players who can take up the slack on offense, we're going to need a center who is more offensively oriented.  

Perk is a perfect center to go alongside a PF who is an offensive force or who can play away from the basket, but if he's not surrounded by stars he's going to look like a liability.

I think Rondo is going to have a similar problem in a couple years, though, unless he improves his shooting.

agreed
His shoulder issues bother me, his footwork and offense need work AND I'd love to see his rebounding numbers up higher.  He is one of the best defensive centers in the league, good shot blocker, good rebounder.  I'd be talking to the big 3 about restructuring and giving some of that $ to rondo & perk.  Keep our starting 5 together for awhile and good things will happen.

You can't restructure in basketball. They do that in football.

As far as I know, all you can do in basketball is make $ concessions to terminate contracts and you can not pickup options. Or retire.

[Celtics17]

Chris, I think you are quite rude.